Heart broke

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by TwoforFun

It is heartbreaking, I hope that an owner that needs help not only search in one resource. There are plenty of resources out there and hopefully if they aren't able to find the help there looking for in YT they find it elsewhere. Even thought we might not hear a happy ending with this story I'm still hopefull there will be one.


YT might be controversial but even with so many different point of views, many here are willing to lend a hand. For those who tried to rescue Mindy, Thank you.

I sure those that tried accept you Thanks for their efforts.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

I sorry was this directed at me ??
This was not is not the point of this thread it was to see if we could make a joint face of rescue for YT and if so how.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I always thought that was pretty much went on between the different rescues on the board. We always seems to talk to each other and try to work to the very best outcome of the pup.

Well then you batter add me in although you and I did talk cause I around to stay.

For the ones that are biters and tough that need help before they go home.

JL

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

I sorry was this directed at me ??
This was not is not the point of this thread it was to see if we could make a joint face of rescue for YT and if so how.

JL

No she was not talking about you at all

Rescues have a lot of support on YT. We all support each other and we all step up whenever needed. I think that just about ever rescue that comes to the YT boards would do whatever we could to help out the others. None of us are looking for pats on the back but at the same time we do not appreciate slaps in the face either.

I'm just catching up on all of this too. Most if not all of this was being handled and IMHO pretty well. There is just a lot of frustration that good intentions were turned into something totally the opposite.

Even after all of what has been said and done I would still be willing to help Mindy. Call me crazy but really it IS all about the dogs and nothing else.

I guess back to your original question of a joint force, it seems that when something is happening sometimes immediate action is needed. I've sent more PM offering to help them pretty much anyone knows about. Whether is it dealing with training or serious rescue issues. I'm always willing to help.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

No she was not talking about you at all

Rescues have a lot of support on YT. We all support each other and we all step up whenever needed. I think that just about ever rescue that comes to the YT boards would do whatever we could to help out the others. None of us are looking for pats on the back but at the same time we do not appreciate slaps in the face either.

I'm just catching up on all of this too. Most if not all of this was being handled and IMHO pretty well. There is just a lot of frustration that good intentions were turned into something totally the opposite.

Even after all of what has been said and done I would still be willing to help Mindy. Call me crazy but really it IS all about the dogs and nothing else.

I guess back to your original question of a joint force, it seems that when something is happening sometimes immediate action is needed. I've sent more PM offering to help them pretty much anyone knows about. Whether is it dealing with training or serious rescue issues. I'm always willing to help.

Just wanted to say me too, At the drop of a hat if she said she was willing to give her up that I step back or PM you and go ok what move next. all I needed was proof she wanted help and had her. If she put it in writing so I could start a plan for her.

Just add me into the loop when you need help at my end of the skill set or area. I'd go help for free a dog if it keeps them in a home and safe.

That is also what I saw was we a joint we had great move on this and it all came apart for some strange reason and I am totally amazed by it.
I did not think I under mind you I just tossed in another possible option when it started go side ways.
Thanks for sharing with me what you know during and after the fact and I hope we can work again together for the sake of a dog.

JL

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Thanks on that as I know you know it was not me that had come out of any wood work nor did I take this at all lightly nor not talk to others about it nor withdraw without good reason. I know you are aware of what I can possiblly bring to the table for the most part in my skill set.

I was asked in a while ago to help and I continued right up to the games got going.

What I am after in this post is do we form a joint YT group of rescues to do a one voice here is what can be offered. We hold a quick chat meeting and see who is where and what we can put on the table or help as and when a dog comes up and go from there with one voice.

That is the reason I posted this thread and any finger point back stabbing crude can stop.... BACK to rescue work.


JL

All of the rescue people I know are great to work with! I am sure you are as well. I just have never met you.

What I believe you are not understanding is that we cannot stop the non rescuers from doing what they do behind the scenes. Oh...and I do NOT mean that all people who are not rescuers have no clue. The majority of people on this thread right now have a huge clue. It is the minority that is causing the issues...and they are making themselves loud enough to try and convince themselves that they are the majority. They cannot grasp that in most places majority rules...not the other way around. They want to fix what is not broken...they are actually breaking what is not broken. So sad.

This has happened many times....and honestly in the past with different players who are no longer on YT. The finger pointing is NOT the rescuers pointing at each other...it is the non rescuers who think they need to tell us how evil we are. I have been on the receiving end of some mighty nasty comments. Someone PMd me last week to tell me...shame on me for saving Roriee because she will need to be put to sleep and I have made her suffer. I did not lose sleep over it because I know the truth.. .... the problem is not what they think of ME...it is the weird things they are saying BEHIND THE SCENES and they DO sabotage rescuers in doing this. If you can find a way to stop that, we would have no issues. It will not stop until these people stop and I don't see that happening. Not exactly sure what their needs are, but they must be trying to fulfill them here at the pups' expense. Just very disturbing.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by kjc

I don't understand. Why was your offer to help withdrawn so quickly?

Nothing was done fast nor lightly and what was in play in the back ground you do not see and will not see.

When one can not even offer up a vet number to let me see if the dog if this just aggressive or other things are happening.OR put anything in writing to let me see waht is going on. It makes my wonder.
Although my offered got pulled there are still many others that are willing and able and the other options would fill the need better.

When someone starts quoting that shipping a dog will cost 300 dollars and I know very well I can ship 5 for that and have something tells me something is very wrong. I work with show dogs and ship for shows when it is safe to do so for heat or cold or distance.

All I needed was straight answers and I could have sent a car to get that girl and drive her here to me. I can do home to her in 18 hours as I have and if that was what needed to happen I would have but first I want honest replies to questions asked.

I do not have the time to play games nor am I willing. I have at anyone time anywhere from 1 to 15 dogs under foot and requests for help.. no that is not rescue dogs but for this girl for the time she needed help she have had a nice home.

Having work through my girls tough times and keep a big guy from being put down and working with him until he got a nice home and his CGN, I thought I had the skill set and the time to help.
Offer honest made and one I will make again to help a dog work through its concerns until it can find its own forever family.

JL

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

You got it the point of this thread was to see what to do better next time.

JL

It is a noble goal. I just don't see how you can meet it with the undercurrent what it is. They will promise you the moon and the stars and tell you how wonderful you are....and the next minute you are the devil and they are trashing you. It is just downright freaky.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

All of the rescue people I know are great to work with! I am sure you are as well. I just have never met you.

What I believe you are not understanding is that we cannot stop the non rescuers from doing what they do behind the scenes. Oh...and I do NOT mean that all people who are not rescuers have no clue. The majority of people on this thread right now have a huge clue. It is the minority that is causing the issues...and they are making themselves loud enough to try and convince themselves that they are the majority. They cannot grasp that in most places majority rules...not the other way around. They want to fix what is not broken...they are actually breaking what is not broken. So sad.

This has happened many times....and honestly in the past with different players who are no longer on YT. The finger pointing is NOT the rescuers pointing at each other...it is the non rescuers who think they need to tell us how evil we are. I have been on the receiving end of some mighty nasty comments. Someone PMd me last week to tell me...shame on me for saving Roriee because she will need to be put to sleep and I have made her suffer. I did not lose sleep over it because I know the truth.. .... the problem is not what they think of ME...it is the weird things they are saying BEHIND THE SCENES and they DO sabotage rescuers in doing this. If you can find a way to stop that, we would have no issues. It will not stop until these people stop and I don't see that happening. Not exactly sure what their needs are, but they must be trying to fulfill them here at the pups' expense. Just very disturbing.

Wait someone tells a rescuer they are evil...Ok totally lost by that although I have had people tell me I should have put my girl down long ago but they do not know her or me to say that.
That is wrong.

OK so I missed game playing other then the person wishing to place the pup.
SO silly and a Pup is the one that gets hurt.

JL

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Nothing was done fast nor lightly and what was in play in the back ground you do not see and will not see.

When one can not even offer up a vet number to let me see if the dog if this just aggressive or other things are happening.OR put anything in writing to let me see waht is going on. It makes my wonder.
Although my offered got pulled there are still many others that are willing and able and the other options would fill the need better.

When someone starts quoting that shipping a dog will cost 300 dollars and I know very well I can ship 5 for that and have something tells me something is very wrong. I work with show dogs and ship for shows when it is safe to do so for heat or cold or distance.

All I needed was straight answers and I could have sent a car to get that girl and drive her here to me. I can do home to her in 18 hours as I have and if that was what needed to happen I would have but first I want honest replies to questions asked.

I do not have the time to play games nor am I willing. I have at anyone time anywhere from 1 to 15 dogs under foot and requests for help.. no that is not rescue dogs but for this girl for the time she needed help she have had a nice home.

Having work through my girls tough times and keep a big guy from being put down and working with him until he got a nice home and his CGN, I thought I had the skill set and the time to help.
Offer honest made and one I will make again to help a dog work through its concerns until it can find its own forever family.

JL

Trust me, I know EXACTLY what you went through. I had my head twisted around a couple of times by the same person.

I am telling you...I am REALLY beginning to wonder about the whole story. Seriously!

I WISH I had saved the PMs. There were days that I wondered if I was perhaps talking to two different people and I am not kidding.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

It is a noble goal. I just don't see how you can meet it with the undercurrent what it is. They will promise you the moon and the stars and tell you how wonderful you are....and the next minute you are the devil and they are trashing you. It is just downright freaky.

Oh I get it and it is just freaky I just really had hoped what I was begining to think I saw was just bad eye sight and not reality.

Plus sometimes just waving it in faces that we see and now understand and a pup was lost makes them step away from the next one...ok I know I have bad eyes and big dreams.

JL

[ladyjane]

There are private messages and emails that go around that sabotage these things. That's all. None of this happened because rescuers were pointing fingers.

I guess you kind of missed it all. Just suffice it to say there are other players who work behind the scenes quite frequently on YT because they have zero respect for rescue. Don't know WHY they have such an axe to grind...I do have ideas, but honestly it is not even worth me spending a whole lot of time trying to figure it out. I simply accept that there is a problem and do the best I can to work around it. It definitely makes is so much harder to help the pups.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Oh I get it and it is just freaky I just really had hoped what I was begining to think I saw was just bad eye sight and not reality.

Plus sometimes just waving it in faces that we see and now understand and a pup was lost makes them step away from the next one...ok I know I have bad eyes and big dreams.

JL

One thing we all might try to do is to play the same game these people are playing.

Go to PMs and not let them know that rescue is trying to help. I honestly think some people cruise these boards looking for a problem and looking to bash the rescuers. Not kidding when I say this. It has happened SO many times.

Maybe we could just all agree not to make any of it public from here on out. That might be a good plan. A royal PIA but if it saves a pup it is all worth it. The attention seekers will not have a public arena then.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

One thing we all might try to do is to play the same game these people are playing.

Go to PMs and not let them know that rescue is trying to help. I honestly think some people cruise these boards looking for a problem and looking to bash the rescuers. Not kidding when I say this. It has happened SO many times.

Maybe we could just all agree not to make any of it public from here on out. That might be a good plan. A royal PIA but if it saves a pup it is all worth it. The attention seekers will not have a public arena then.

Or one of us runs a front on the board and deflects while the rest of us work out of sight and get it done....????
Just thinking but I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

JL

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

ding ding ding ding! we have a winner