Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. I've people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you (general you) hold all the answers and that you (general you) are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. I've people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone.

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3144089)

I am hoping that the Mods will leave this up and let us do a little healing.

I am just so upset about Mindy and the out come of the last few days of trying to get her to help.

We involved really wanted to reach out and get that little one safe and it is very tough when we fail.
The owner is not here to defend herself so it is not fair to comment anymore on the situation but maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help.

I really do not like loosing a dog that I think could have got help and could have been saved.

So for the next time and there will be what do we do differnet.

JL

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

Originally Posted by DamSweet (Post 3144632)

I’m sure I’m not going to make a lot of friends with this but as much as I love making friends – my main concern is my Bridget, and what I can learn about her and the breed – not that I wouldn’t be willing to help anyone if I could. I haven’t been here long but have been following this little girls fate and reading all (most) of the posts to the 3 threads concerning Mindy . I only have one question…..is all this what the OP meant when she said “let us do a little healing.”? “maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help” or “So for the next time and there will be what do we do different”.? We can point all the fingers we want now – but that isn’t changing where Mindy is today – what’s done is done – and I think we need to see if anything can be done to help her…..by anyone!

I’m sure everyone tried to help in what they thought was right, but it seems to me that there were “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Some one needs to be the chef – someone with rescue experience. We all want to help – but are not professionally knowledgeable – sometimes we do more damage than good.

I was glad to see this thread start because I thought it would be full of positive information that could be used to help with the next rescue, if not possibly help resume Mindy plight. Whether it be who can travel to pick up the puppy – who has contacts with a rescue, who is good at talking to the current owner to persuade them to surrender the dog without causing a lot of problems….after all the main concern at that point is the poor dog that needs to get out of whatever situation it’s in.

I’m not without fault – I posted slamming Mindys owner when I saw the post that said she had decided to put her to sleep. In an ideal situation the correct and qualified person should have been notified to try to convince her that her situation isn’t hopeless. I know (or think I know) that several people have tried – but I can only imagine that this owner felt like Mindy feels in a house with 2 litters of puppies….overwhelmed and lost as to where to turn or who to trust. That is where a TEAM comes in. Someone (key word is ONE) is a mediator and the rest there for support.

OK – I’m done – I guess as someone not here long – I have a lot to learn. Maybe there needs to be a special forum for feuds.

Originally Posted by DaisyMom (Post 3144598)

I agree with chachi. It takes time to get to know the YT community. There is a lot of experience and knowledge to be gained from the more established members. I also think that any member who chooses to take general comments personally and is subsequently constantly defending themselves is actually inciting additional conflict just by responding so emotionally. Sometimes you just have to take the high road................

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3144642)

:thumbup: Wow....there are times when I think you're a mind reader...are you?:p

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3144645)

I think you make lots of valid points. I didn't see too many people meddle, and towards the end of the Mindy thread, I thought I'd put my two cents in as a last ditch effort. I think by that point rescues were getting weary and so was the person who had Mindy.

This thread, I can only guess, started because there were a lot of hurt feelings that someone would just give up on Mindy, or seemingly give up on Mindy. While not everyone posted in Mindy's thread, a lot of people read and read hoping for a happy ending. There were a lot of angry feelings, and venting is a way of healing. It seems that this is the second rescue attempt that has gone awry and just ended badly this year. Why is that? Someone, somewhere is undermining rescue efforts. Why else would people be suddenly afraid or unwilling to turn to a rescue when they are in over their head?

Originally Posted by DamSweet (Post 3144632)

I’m sure I’m not going to make a lot of friends with this but as much as I love making friends – my main concern is my Bridget, and what I can learn about her and the breed – not that I wouldn’t be willing to help anyone if I could. I haven’t been here long but have been following this little girls fate and reading all (most) of the posts to the 3 threads concerning Mindy . I only have one question…..is all this what the OP meant when she said “let us do a little healing.”? “maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help” or “So for the next time and there will be what do we do different”.? We can point all the fingers we want now – but that isn’t changing where Mindy is today – what’s done is done – and I think we need to see if anything can be done to help her…..by anyone!

I’m sure everyone tried to help in what they thought was right, but it seems to me that there were “too many cooks in the kitchen”. Some one needs to be the chef – someone with rescue experience. We all want to help – but are not professionally knowledgeable – sometimes we do more damage than good.

I was glad to see this thread start because I thought it would be full of positive information that could be used to help with the next rescue, if not possibly help resume Mindy plight. Whether it be who can travel to pick up the puppy – who has contacts with a rescue, who is good at talking to the current owner to persuade them to surrender the dog without causing a lot of problems….after all the main concern at that point is the poor dog that needs to get out of whatever situation it’s in.

I’m not without fault – I posted slamming Mindys owner when I saw the post that said she had decided to put her to sleep. In an ideal situation the correct and qualified person should have been notified to try to convince her that her situation isn’t hopeless. I know (or think I know) that several people have tried – but I can only imagine that this owner felt like Mindy feels in a house with 2 litters of puppies….overwhelmed and lost as to where to turn or who to trust. That is where a TEAM comes in. Someone (key word is ONE) is a mediator and the rest there for support.

OK – I’m done – I guess as someone not here long – I have a lot to learn. Maybe there needs to be a special forum for feuds.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3144654)

Hmmm...coincidence? Not! This time was a undoubtedly heinous act to undermine those who had Mindy's true welfare in mind.

Unfortunately, those who'd like to spend all day coddling & sugar coating every word to the owner who should surrender apparently think they know something better than most seasoned in rescue.

Originally Posted by Judy in Waco (Post 3144609)

I try to stay out of heated or controversial threads, but I need to say one thing.

Our YorkieTalk members who VOLUNTEER and give of their free time, energy, money and emotions to help dogs in need by working with actual rescues have my 100% support. We know who you are and we LOVE you! You rock!! Your job is HARD and often thankless. PLEASE do NOT ever think that you are not appreciated. WE (collective "we" of most of the long-time YT donating members and supporters) know who you are and we thank you!!

:bravo::good job::clapsmile:cheer::thankyou2:ittykiss:

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3144214)

I think situations where rescue could be needed need to be handled delicately and people should not come out of the woodwork and interfer with it.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.