My 16 Week old is still pooping and peeing in her crate

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by miababyjeff

Yes, I am a stay-at home mom. I take her out every 15 minutes or so. Like I said she does use the puppy pad all the time, but how can I teach her to go outside if I offer her a place to go inside and she never learns to wait to go outside. There are a lot of people on this site who are quick to attack people who post. That is one reason I always hesitate, but I thought this would be the best place to seek training tips for yorkies. I have spoken with the breeder and she told me to call a dog trainer, which I did and that trainer told me if it were her she would take it back to the breeder because I would never be able to housetrain a dog that would poop in it's own crate which is super tiny. I sat outside with her today and my daughter for 2 hours and she would never poop until I brought her inside to her xpen. So maybe she will get it eventually and I am being patient, but it's hard when other breeders and a professional dog trainer told me her behavior was not normal. I love her and will take all the time in the world with her to train her, but I guess I feel like I am doing something wrong. Everyone I talk to says they have never had a dog poop in it's own crate. It is not because she is not given the opportunity to go outside or kept in her crate too long.

Wow! Every 15 mins? You're more determined than I am. I guess what everyone forgets, and I'm including those breeder and the professional trainer, is that every yorkie is an individual. Some get certain things quicker than others. So if she's slower to learn to potty outside, be happy she at least gets it inside on a piddle pad. After that, all you have to do is transition.

I had to go backwards, and go from a perfectly trained dog that peed and pooed outside, to teach him to use piddle pads and piddle pads only. He knew the potty command and everything, but our living situation changed. Honestly, he still doesn't 100% get it. I can't take him outside, really I can't (bad neighborhood) so he has to learn to potty indoors. He knows it's ok to potty in the bathroom where his piddle pad is, but he doesn't 100% grasp the concept of the piddle pad. If the pad is gone for some reason, he pees on the floor. He understands the location part, but not the pad part. But if I were to get frustrated and want to pull my hair every time he pees on the vinyl floor, then I'd get absolutely no where with him. Even if I don't vent my frustration at him, he knows I'm not pleased. These little ones are very perceptive. So I'm just glad he understands the potty in the bathroom part and continue to work with him, and mind you he's older than 16 weeks. Tricks are easy; teaching him to walk off leash with me was a breeze; switching potty habits not so much. Some yorkie owners have the potty part down, but struggle with tricks and obedience. Each yorkie is unique and certain things come more natural to them.

For now, to re leave some stress, focus on the pads, she's doing good from what you said, so don't fight it. Focus on the victories. Then when she's older and you and your kids take her out to the park or something, and when she can't hold it anymore, SHE WILL POTTY OUTSIDE. Trust me on that!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Something is not right, so lets try to figure this out and get your little one to "get it".

What size crate do you have her in?
It should only have enough room for her to turn around and lay down. She should also not be kept in the crate for longer then 20 minutes if she has not peed.

How often are you taking her out and for how long?
When you are crate training she needs to be taken outside for potty every 20 minutes. Pick her up and put her on the ground and tell her "go potty". If she doesn't go within 5 minutes take her back in the house and either into the crate or tethers to your side at all times. If she potties give immediate treats and praise. If she doesn't potty at your side or in the crate.

Do not let her have free rein of your house until she is fully trained. At 16 weeks she is way too young to be any where near fully house trained. You need to be consistent with training or she will never learn.

Originally Posted by miababyjeff

Yes, I am a stay-at home mom. I take her out every 15 minutes or so. Like I said she does use the puppy pad all the time, but how can I teach her to go outside if I offer her a place to go inside and she never learns to wait to go outside. There are a lot of people on this site who are quick to attack people who post. That is one reason I always hesitate, but I thought this would be the best place to seek training tips for yorkies. I have spoken with the breeder and she told me to call a dog trainer, which I did and that trainer told me if it were her she would take it back to the breeder because I would never be able to housetrain a dog that would poop in it's own crate which is super tiny. I sat outside with her today and my daughter for 2 hours and she would never poop until I brought her inside to her xpen. So maybe she will get it eventually and I am being patient, but it's hard when other breeders and a professional dog trainer told me her behavior was not normal. I love her and will take all the time in the world with her to train her, but I guess I feel like I am doing something wrong. Everyone I talk to says they have never had a dog poop in it's own crate. It is not because she is not given the opportunity to go outside or kept in her crate too long.

Maybe you didn't see my post so I would like to quote it above for you to reread. I promise you that I am not judging or attacking you. My post specifically said 5 minutes and then back into the crate or tether her to you. Please try this technique. It works! She is a puppy and at 16 weeks she is easily distracted. There have been plenty of puppymill dogs trained with the technique and you need to be consistent.

When you are crate training she needs to be taken outside for potty every 20 minutes. Pick her up and put her on the ground and tell her "go potty". If she doesn't go within 5 minutes take her back in the house and either into the crate or tethers to your side at all times. If she potties give immediate treats and praise. If she doesn't potty at your side or in the crate.

You are way too frustrated too soon. Yorkies are very hard to train but it does sound like you are willing to work hard with her. It will work but you need to follow the 20 tether or crate and 5 minutes outside to potty. My suggestion would be to tether her to your side.

If she didn't have the ability to wander around she would not be able to pee and poop on the potty pads. If you take her out every 20 minutes until you see the poop and pee there would be no need for the potty pad if you are outside training.

As for a trainer that would tell you to return your puppy~well I would get a new trainer

[DvlshAngel985]

Sorry, one last thing I wanted to add. I'm with you on not wanting to have a dog potty indoors, I totally understand that since that's how I thought at first. Now I see it as an asset to have a dog "dual" potty trained. What if it rains? Kaji doesn't care and will run and play and potty in the rain, but not all dogs are ok with that. My roomies dog would pee and poo on the carpet because it happened to be raining outside. So really, dual potty trained has it's advantages, and once your baby understands potty on piddle pads, and potty outside are ok, you can focus on just one. It will be really easy for you since you're a stay at home mom. Keep your schedule consistent and she will eventually understand what it is you want her to do.

And, don't listen to people who tell you to take her back. They're pretty much telling you "she's broken, return her for a new one." Obviously, that's not how this works. Yorkies are living breathing creatures. I was told to return Kaji because one of the vets I visited told he was "broken." Like he was a faulty belt or something.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Maybe you didn't see my post so I would like to quote it above for you to reread. I promise you that I am not judging or attacking you. My post specifically said 5 minutes and then back into the crate or tether her to you. Please try this technique. It works! She is a puppy and at 16 weeks she is easily distracted. There have been plenty of puppymill dogs trained with the technique and you need to be consistent.

When you are crate training she needs to be taken outside for potty every 20 minutes. Pick her up and put her on the ground and tell her "go potty". If she doesn't go within 5 minutes take her back in the house and either into the crate or tethers to your side at all times. If she potties give immediate treats and praise. If she doesn't potty at your side or in the crate.

You are way too frustrated too soon. Yorkies are very hard to train but it does sound like you are willing to work hard with her. It will work but you need to follow the 20 tether or crate and 5 minutes outside to potty. My suggestion would be to tether her to your side.

If she didn't have the ability to wander around she would not be able to pee and poop on the potty pads. If you take her out every 20 minutes until you see the poop and pee there would be no need for the potty pad if you are outside training.

As for a trainer that would tell you to return your puppy~well I would get a new trainer

HAHAHA! Jodi, you and I are giving conflicting advice. And you need to focus, you're needed in the DWTS thread.

To the OP, that's what's so great about this site. We have all been through this at one point or another, and we all tried different techniques. Choose one for now that sounds like something you can do, stick to it, and I mean really stick to it. If in a few weeks (3-4) you see no difference, try a different one.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by miababyjeff

Yes, I am a stay-at home mom. I take her out every 15 minutes or so. Like I said she does use the puppy pad all the time, but how can I teach her to go outside if I offer her a place to go inside and she never learns to wait to go outside. There are a lot of people on this site who are quick to attack people who post. That is one reason I always hesitate, but I thought this would be the best place to seek training tips for yorkies. I have spoken with the breeder and she told me to call a dog trainer, which I did and that trainer told me if it were her she would take it back to the breeder because I would never be able to housetrain a dog that would poop in it's own crate which is super tiny. I sat outside with her today and my daughter for 2 hours and she would never poop until I brought her inside to her xpen. So maybe she will get it eventually and I am being patient, but it's hard when other breeders and a professional dog trainer told me her behavior was not normal. I love her and will take all the time in the world with her to train her, but I guess I feel like I am doing something wrong. Everyone I talk to says they have never had a dog poop in it's own crate. It is not because she is not given the opportunity to go outside or kept in her crate too long.

Two hours outside is play time for any dog. She should only be able to play after she poops.

Yeah none of us are experts or have any experience so what do we know. I guess you have to listen to the 2 breeders and trainer who say she is defective and take her back.

Seriously, will the breeder take her back? I think you probably should seriously think about taking her back. I just think your not ready for this puppy, maybe another one? Or none at all for now.

I have read all of your other posts and just a couple of weeks ago you said she was doing great and such a smart girl. This is puppy number 2 since your first puppy was killed. I really am convinced your expecting way to much from these little dogs.

Why wont you tell anyone what happened to the puppy you bought in March???????

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Sorry, one last thing I wanted to add. I'm with you on not wanting to have a dog potty indoors, I totally understand that since that's how I thought at first. Now I see it as an asset to have a dog "dual" potty trained. What if it rains? Kaji doesn't care and will run and play and potty in the rain, but not all dogs are ok with that. My roomies dog would pee and poo on the carpet because it happened to be raining outside. So really, dual potty trained has it's advantages, and once your baby understands potty on piddle pads, and potty outside are ok, you can focus on just one. It will be really easy for you since you're a stay at home mom. Keep your schedule consistent and she will eventually understand what it is you want her to do.

And, don't listen to people who tell you to take her back. They're pretty much telling you "she's broken, return her for a new one." Obviously, that's not how this works. Yorkies are living breathing creatures. I was told to return Kaji because one of the vets I visited told he was "broken." Like he was a faulty belt or something.

Personally, I would think that training dual would be great. The impression that I was getting from her is that she didn't want to pad train. It just sounded to me like she was conflicting her training.

Off to DWTS!

[mommadog1]

I have always dual trained the yorkies. My Chihuahua was so tiny when we got her and the weather was so bad we litter box trained her. She will go outside sometimes but for the most part uses the box still. I tried this with Pennie as well and she would have nothing to do with the box..lol.. Mindy however will go over and try to pee in it and misses (she is much bigger) so I have a large washable pad under the litter box now so she at least hits that..lol. But now that the doggy door is in she uses it for the most part.

I know it seems like I am being a bit hard on the OP but it's because she did the exact same thing with the yorkie she got in March and has learned nothing.

PS: what is DWTS?

[DvlshAngel985]

Dancing With The Stars. My guilty pleasure thanks to Jodi.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Dancing With The Stars. My guilty pleasure thanks to Jodi.

Ahhhhh...LOL..

[capt_noonie]

Uni is dual trained as well. We started her off on the pads, then once she got that, when we would take her on walks, she would just go. It didn't happen all at once though. Sometimes she would hold it during a walk, then come back in and go on the pad. They get it eventually. Katie is opposite. She goes outside really fast, but kind of gets it on the pads inside.

I would really suggest to keep at the pad training first if she seems to get that more. Also, she is only 16 weeks, I really wouldn't be taking her out of your yard yet anyway. She hasn't finished all her shots.

AND, you still haven't answered my question, how old was she when you got her?

[lpham]

Originally Posted by miababyjeff

Yes, I am a stay-at home mom. I take her out every 15 minutes or so. Like I said she does use the puppy pad all the time, but how can I teach her to go outside if I offer her a place to go inside and she never learns to wait to go outside. There are a lot of people on this site who are quick to attack people who post. That is one reason I always hesitate, but I thought this would be the best place to seek training tips for yorkies. I have spoken with the breeder and she told me to call a dog trainer, which I did and that trainer told me if it were her she would take it back to the breeder because I would never be able to housetrain a dog that would poop in it's own crate which is super tiny. I sat outside with her today and my daughter for 2 hours and she would never poop until I brought her inside to her xpen. So maybe she will get it eventually and I am being patient, but it's hard when other breeders and a professional dog trainer told me her behavior was not normal. I love her and will take all the time in the world with her to train her, but I guess I feel like I am doing something wrong. Everyone I talk to says they have never had a dog poop in it's own crate. It is not because she is not given the opportunity to go outside or kept in her crate too long.

don't worry! I have an 11 wk old yorkie who poops and pees in her crate indiscriminantly. I switched to confining her in my bathroom with a gate up so she is not secluded by herself and can still view everything outside of the bathroom. I just found that crate training didn't work with her. I think training methods depend on the personality of the dog. I have her pad, food, and bedding all in once place. She is starting to get the hang of using the pad. I think at 16 weeks she is a bit young for you to have high expectations but I myself am struggling through the same thing that you are and so I just discarded crate training all together.

It's frustrating for me too trying to housebreak my puppy and I got her when she was 6 weeks. I've been working with the potty training for almost 6 weeks now and she is no where near close to being reliable.

This is definitely the best place to ask for advice because many problems that I've had and brought to the forum have always been answered but I do have to agree that there were some people who were a bit disrespectful in what they had to say to you and the problems you were having with your puppy.

I hope you figure something out that works for you and her! They are such smart little dogs and very sensitive to their owners. She wants to make you happy! She's just taking her time trying to figure everything out. Good luck!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by lpham

don't worry! I have an 11 wk old yorkie who poops and pees in her crate indiscriminantly. I switched to confining her in my bathroom with a gate up so she is not secluded by herself and can still view everything outside of the bathroom. I just found that crate training didn't work with her. I think training methods depend on the personality of the dog. I have her pad, food, and bedding all in once place. She is starting to get the hang of using the pad. I think at 16 weeks she is a bit young for you to have high expectations but I myself am struggling through the same thing that you are and so I just discarded crate training all together.

It's frustrating for me too trying to housebreak my puppy and I got her when she was 6 weeks. I've been working with the potty training for almost 6 weeks now and she is no where near close to being reliable.

This is definitely the best place to ask for advice because many problems that I've had and brought to the forum have always been answered but I do have to agree that there were some people who were a bit disrespectful in what they had to say to you and the problems you were having with your puppy.

I hope you figure something out that works for you and her! They are such smart little dogs and very sensitive to their owners. She wants to make you happy! She's just taking her time trying to figure everything out. Good luck!

Crate training always works. You cannot expect an 11 week old puppy to learn anything. If you crate train correctly it works. I have done it with every dog I have owned in the last 20 years and it has always worked. It is unfortunate that you have given up on crate training.

A puppy is just way to young at 6 weeks to do any kind of training. But of course, if what your doing now is working that is great. However, crate training does work if done properly and also at a proper age.

[lpham]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Crate training always works. You cannot expect an 11 week old puppy to learn anything. If you crate train correctly it works. I have done it with every dog I have owned in the last 20 years and it has always worked. It is unfortunate that you have given up on crate training.

A puppy is just way to young at 6 weeks to do any kind of training. But of course, if what your doing now is working that is great. However, crate training does work if done properly and also at a proper age.

i know it works. I crate trained my german shepherd and he is now completely housebroken. on the other hand, my yorkie didn't do well with crate training and since she is so young the only goal in my mind right now is to teach her where she can and cannot pee. there is no reason to make her learn how to hold it since she is entirely too young to hold it. she is also an exceptionally smaller sized dog than most normal or average sized yorkies which makes it even more difficult for her to hold it even for 3 hours. i didn't say i gave up on crate training which is funny for you to say when you don't even know who I am and what I do with my dogs.

I already plan on working with crate training with her when she is much older since she will need to accept it when she is in situations like traveling or home alone for a few hours.

[TLC]

Ahhh...she is still a baby

Mine were fully 100% trustable trained until 1.5 y/o

I think a yummy treat reward for good potty (outside) may do the trick.
I have had a lot of success, using Peanut Butter Chips from the baking isle. Do you have a Whole Foods by you? These are the ones I used to get and they sell them at Whole Foods (or online):

Sunspire Natural Chocolates - Products - Peanut Butter Chips (1000 Count)

Best Wishes

[capt_noonie]

I wonder when the OP's gonna come back.