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11-06-2008, 05:33 AM | #1 |
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| Biting Posted here and main board Marley is not yet 4 months. He is extremely energetic and appears to be a happy But he wants to bite bite bite, which is understandable as he is a puppy. He rarely licks and just kisses. He does do that when I first come home from work and first thing in the morning. After that it is full energy and biting when playing. So the most disturbing part for me is that when we go to at night, I have Corkie there, my other one and I usually put him in his kennel with in a few minutes(it's right next to me on the floor) for biting Corkie(trying to get her to play). Well I try for a few minutes to direct his attention elsewhere and teach him not to attack her. When I tell him NO, he just turns around and bites me. I grab him and tell him NO. He is not afraid of my NO.. or anything. Then as I continue to tell him NO..lay him on his side like Cesar says... he tries to bite me the whole time. I can feel he is getting frustrated as he can't do what he wants and I'm holding him down. As soon as I think he is calm.....I let go and he just bites me again. I can do this over and over..and he does not give up. When holding him down he is reaching over and trying to bite me...so I get him right by the side of the neck, and try to keep my hand out of his reach, but again let him up and he just bites me again. I'm very very concerned. I've never had a yorkie or any dog respond in this way. Usually my girls...a harsh no was enough to break their heart. I'm so hoping that this is just a puppy stage? As I said before in another post, it has been years since I've had a puppy. I was so upset last night I could hardly sleep, wondering if this puppy has an issue or am I doing something wrong? I am a dominant person with my dogs, make no mistake. I baby them but also, if they are mis behaving, I correct it immediately. I just have never experienced this. I don't have thousands to get some sort of specialized behaviorist. Hoping that some of you out there have experienced this and what did you do...what was your outcome. I'm at a loss. I don't want to rehome him.... that would break my heart. I want to do what is needed, I just don't know what it is OR...praying this is something with continual training, he will grow out of. He does not appear to be mean.....just very dominant and wants what he wants... He is afraid of NOTHING. Cj
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11-06-2008, 06:07 PM | #2 |
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| Ok thanks for all the input. Much appreciated
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11-06-2008, 06:38 PM | #3 |
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| Biting Sounds like an exhuberant puppy to me. You are saying he is play biting which is pretty normal in my opinion. I would let them work it out and not interfere. When the older one gets fed up, I have a feeling he will be put in his place. I cannot believe that putting him on his side at his age is going to register, but hey...I could be wrong. It does not sound like he is doing anything but trying to play....that is what they do...I have one that is not quite two who still does it...he pulls on the other one's ears. They rip and run all day long. When someone gets fed up...they let him know and it stops. Just my two cents. Hope it is worth something. |
11-06-2008, 08:07 PM | #4 |
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| Thank you for responding Lady Jane, I really believe it is more than play biting as the ferocity is very different. I do keep Corkie..the older gal separated from him because her hurts her a lot and she only has a few teeth and when she goes to put him in his place, she is mainly gumming him..and he loves it. She never hurts him like an older dog would and put him in his place. I agree and have received the same advice that he is too young for the alpha..hold him on his side thing like Cesar shows. He is not getting that at all. The episodes I spoke of were..very fierce in his response and you could tell he was frustrated and mad that I would lay him down on his side and he just would get up and bite HARD and mean. I think it is also possible Im comparing him to my other three I've had over the years that were very docile and got their feelers bent very easy. He does not so I may have to be a bit tougher on him. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to this as last night I was near tears and barely slept. I don't want to fail him..or myself. I love him too much Again thanks for your advice. I have taken it to heart:-)
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11-07-2008, 06:29 AM | #5 |
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| I am so sorry....I felt awful reading that you were in tears. Poor Corky. I had no idea she was a senior. That definitely will not work. I have a foster here who came to me after being found living between the woods and an abandoned building. He was feral. Don't even ask me what I was thinking about. hah! But..I am happy to tell you that after he bit the heck out of me a few times and went after a few of my kids, he now lives happily with them. All I did, was put him in a crate every time he did something unacceptable. I did not particularly care for doing that since some find comfort in crates, but I had to separate him and, at first, I could not even pick him up without being bit. I would pick it up and corner him. I said *kennel up* every time and would only leave him in there for a couple of minutes. He got the idea in no time....and every time he did something unacceptable he would willingly go to the crate. We graduated to these *time outs* in bathrooms and, as I said, for only a couple of minutes. This took months and the months have stretched out to two years. I don't know if the little sweetie will ever find his forever home...maybe he has found it here....but, he is a happy playful little pupster now who gets along very well with my pups! I hope things tone down a bit for you. These guys are like children and some can be a handful. Sounds like you got one of them! Time and patience and I will bet you end up with a wonderful family member. I did not say this....make sure Marley is evaluated thoroughly by a vet....just to be sure it is not something medical. I have a feeling you probably have already done that. Good luck and keep us posted! |
11-07-2008, 06:03 PM | #6 |
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| Thanks Lady Jane :-) I like the adivice you have given about the time outs. I will try that. Yes I do have great hopes he will come around because when he is not being a brat...he is a doll baby.....LOL I have had him checked out throughouly by the vet but I am again taking him this next week as I want her to go over him again. How wonderful of you take in the pup found in the woods. What a lucky baby and I hope he has found his forever home Thanks again. PS. I did try grabbing him last night by the scruff of the neck and pinching him and shaking a bit. He backed off...and his biting has decreased!!! Can't tell you how thrilled I am. Something finally seemed to hit home with him! What a lovebug he can be when not biting! lol
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11-07-2008, 09:12 PM | #7 |
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| He sounds like a little darling...just needs to know his limits. Good luck with him! Keep us posted on him! |
11-07-2008, 09:27 PM | #8 |
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| This is 100% NORMAL puppy behavior. Laying him on his side may not be the answer. When he does this, act as if you are hurt, then ignore him. When he settles down, then on with business. He will outgrow it if you don't accept the behaviour. But again, I have to say, that this is normal puppy behavior. The only thing I did with my little girl when she was in this stage, I would yelp like I was hurt, then turn away from her, if she got her little razor blades on me, lol. Just be consistent and persistent and reward him when he behaves in an appropriate manor, and you will see the changes.
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11-07-2008, 10:29 PM | #9 |
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| You know....that really IS true. If one of mine bites me accidentally while they are rough housing under my desk chair and I say ouch...they stop! They really do understand. |
11-08-2008, 05:32 AM | #10 |
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| Thanks for the responses. I have been trying the yelping and turning away.. maybe just not long enough, as it did not deter him one little bit. I'll keep on with it though. Thanks for these tips. I can't tell you how much better I feel with your support and a light at the end of the tunnel with him. I got a little too emotional over it all possibly..hehe thanks!
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11-08-2008, 05:43 AM | #11 |
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| I was about to post almost exactly what you said. Even to the age of my puppy. The lunging at me and nipping/mouthing has got to stop! Training two times a week doesn't seem to help. (And, he is at his very worst when I get home.) What do you think - litter mates separated at birth! |
11-08-2008, 06:53 AM | #12 |
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| Could be! wanna trade? hahahahahah
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11-08-2008, 08:00 AM | #13 |
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| Not particularly! What I do want is patience to deal with the situation. I have had dogs all my life - although not for 15 years. The last yorkie I had was 30 years ago. I have never - ever - never had this kind of a problem with a puppy. Never been nipped, never been lunged at! I am growing very weary of the entire situation. Your story sounds exactly like mine. I do think exercise makes the situation worse not better. I do go to socialization class once a week and training once a week. Nothing has helped. Bennett started out nice and polite and it is getting worse by the minute. I had my vet evaluate the situation and said all it will take is patience. But - I am not a pin cushion - and I am not a saint! I just want tips from anyone! |
11-08-2008, 08:40 AM | #14 |
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| Have you asked the trainer for advice? If so, what are you being told? |
11-08-2008, 03:31 PM | #15 |
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| Well like I said, I don't think it is recommended but I am now treating him as a mother dog would and grabbing the scruff of his neck..pinching and shaking till it hurts. NOw I'm not shaking him hard..but enough to get his attention but more pinching that scruff. He yelps a little, but I swear there is a HUGE change in his attitude and now when he wants to bite he is not biting nearly as hard .... and not nearly as much. I would of not recommended this..but dangit..like you..I was kind of at my wits end. I have much hope now..that we are going to be fine! It had been 14 years since I had a yorkie pup and I don't remember this before, but I think I had very submissive docile little girls. This boy is a firecracker......but I see a huge change. You might give it a try..because I too was so weary and getting very emotional about the whole thing....
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