Leaving food and water in crate while gone

[anta76]

Water should always be available for your puppy in addition to letting him out on a regular basis. Depending it's weight, food should be given at regular times. I feed Bigos twice a day while I am home.

[RachelGenson]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Notice their ages, I don't want to argue with you and make you defensive, but there is a huge difference between a 15 week old puppy and a 2 year old dog. Just because you have never seen any problems doesn't mean this is a good way to do it. If peeing and pooping in the crate are your major concerns and not the health of your dog, fine do it, but my dog never poop or peed in the crate, and he had food and water available 24/7.

Im not trying to argue either, but I did read her post and if you go back and read at the end, she said she has been doing this since he was 12 weeks old. I'm just saying everybody does it different and one way isnt always the right way. As long as everyone's healthy that is all that matters.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by RachelGenson

Im not trying to argue either, but I did read her post and if you go back and read at the end, she said she has been doing this since he was 12 weeks old. I'm just saying everybody does it different and one way isnt always the right way. As long as everyone's healthy that is all that matters.

Sorry but the law says they have to have access to water at all time or by law it is endangering them..... Hummm.

would you leave a human child without water or food for that long at 12 weeks ??? Yes know they are dogs and not kids but they are both babies.

JL

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by RachelGenson

Im not trying to argue either, but I did read her post and if you go back and read at the end, she said she has been doing this since he was 12 weeks old. I'm just saying everybody does it different and one way isnt always the right way. As long as everyone's healthy that is all that matters.

While I understand that there are many different ways to do things, sometimes there is only one right way. While, people have different opinions on free feeding, since Yorkies are susceptible to hypoglycemia, going without food for long periods is not advisable. If your dog is 4 pounds or over, you probably need not worry. However, I do not think any of the experts argue whether water should ever be withheld. Puppies need water and cannot be deprived of it. A dog can starve and lose almost all of his body fat and half of his protein mass (muscle) and still survive. However, if this same patient loses 15% of his body water, he will die. Water is the most important nutrient of all.

Health can be a fleeting thing.

[emilyann]

When Lilly was a puppy I left her in our kitchen with a gate up and the laundry room door shut, leaving her only to access the kitchen. I left her bed, a pee pad, water, food and toys in there with her. Now, she wouldn't eat or drink while I was gone (seperation anxiety, I assume) so I would always give her some Nutri-Cal before I left in the mornings. She was fine, she's now a healthy 9 lb 1 year old but that doesn't mean your dog or someone elses dog will be fine, all dogs are different.

I think all dogs, no matter the age, need to be left with water AT ALL TIMES. Pups need to be left with food too due to hypoglycemia.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Frankly, I shocked at your reply. Who told you this was the best way? I think puppies need access to food and water at all times. Small dogs under 4 pounds can develop hypoglycemia, if they go too long a period without eating. Joey's breeder recommended free feeding until the age of 7 months. If you are leaving for long periods of time, where are they going to the bathroom? Do you expect a small puppy to hold it all day? Most puppies even have to get up during the night at least once, and at night bladder output is reduced making urination less frequent. Most people put their dogs in an x-pen with a crate or bed in it, water and food, and a pee pad. If you have no x-pen you can do the same thing in a bathroom. Water should be available all the time.

I SO AGREE WITH THIS POST - you HAVE to leave him water and food - he's just a baby - these guys are very small and that's too long to be deprived of water and food.

They get better at training as they grow older but for now you're taking a chance with his life not letting him have water & food

[amyn22]

I don't know if I agree with the others or not. We got our puppy at 3 months and did not leave him water while he was in his cage. Now we weren't gone alot either. Starting in August he was alone 8 hours when we were back to work. He had someone letting him out one time in the day, but we still left him no water because he was having accidents. We now leave him water because he is able to hold it. He was not deprived, or mistreated. He was having accidents and the water was causing it. He was given access to water once while we were gone and I feel that is enough while you are training. You need to do what is best for your dog and in your situation, no one can tell you you are wrong or right.

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by amyn22

I don't know if I agree with the others or not. We got our puppy at 3 months and did not leave him water while he was in his cage. Now we weren't gone alot either. Starting in August he was alone 8 hours when we were back to work. He had someone letting him out one time in the day, but we still left him no water because he was having accidents. We now leave him water because he is able to hold it. He was not deprived, or mistreated. He was having accidents and the water was causing it. He was given access to water once while we were gone and I feel that is enough while you are training. You need to do what is best for your dog and in your situation, no one can tell you you are wrong or right.

Wrong. Someone CAN tell you if you are wrong or right if what you are doing is putting your pet at risk. Just because you did it and nothing happened doesn't mean it's always going to be the great outcome. Water is a necessity to an animal just like it is to a human but more so for the animal. 8 hours without food? In my eyes and opinion, that's abuse. If he was having accidents, it was obviously not his fault - he obviously needed a bigger area to be in so he could have his water AND potty when needed. No water for long amounts of time is just ugh.

[frenchpastry34]

Does this mean if you work you cannot get a dog? We have a 4 month old yorkie and he is very healthy and we were told by our vet to only feed our dog twice a day. He is in his crate while my kids are at school and we are at work. We do not leave him food and water in his crate. He drinks and eats in the morning and does his business outside before we crate him. When we let him out he is with us the remainder of the evening until bed at which time he goes into his crate without food and water. He is a very happy dog and he loves his crate. I guess not everyone can be fortunate to be home all day with their animals.

[ARCHIE]

If you are crate training a puppy, say 15wks or older, leaving them without
food or water, if they had both earlier, is not wrong. To leave food and
water in a crate is only setting your puppy up for failure and you will never
get him/her trained! I am not talking about a 1 or 3lb pup who may need
to be feed more often. I am talking about a puppy who eats 2-3 times daily.
Buddy was 14 1/2 wks when I got him. I left no food or water in his crate during the day. I put him in his crate at 8:15 after being walked and returned
home at 12:15 to give him water and walk him again. Back into the crate
until I got home at 5:15. He was, at the time 6lbs. He was trained in 1mo.
I did not get up during the night either! My vet told me not to unless I wanted to be on his schedule instead of having him on mine. I walked
him at 10:30 and put him into his crate until 6:00 am. I heard him cry
a couple of times during the night but did not get up. His crate was dry
when I did get up and right out he went. After only a month he was fully
completely trained and then the crate was taken away and he stayed in the kitchen with two gates up. He did not starve and it is not harmful for them
as long as you use you head and make sure they are fed and watered at least
three times a day until they are trained. If you are home and water is kept
down, like the weekends and you see them drink be sure to get them out
within 15mins to pee or there will be an accident. It is very important
to get them on a schedule. They love schedules and feel secure with one.
Good luck

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by frenchpastry34

Does this mean if you work you cannot get a dog? We have a 4 month old yorkie and he is very healthy and we were told by our vet to only feed our dog twice a day. He is in his crate while my kids are at school and we are at work. We do not leave him food and water in his crate. He drinks and eats in the morning and does his business outside before we crate him. When we let him out he is with us the remainder of the evening until bed at which time he goes into his crate without food and water. He is a very happy dog and he loves his crate. I guess not everyone can be fortunate to be home all day with their animals.

Who said ANYTHING about not getting a dog if you work?! It was just stated that a puppy always needs water, do you not worry about risking his/her health? I went to school FINE when Lilly was a baby. She stayed in the kitchen with a gate up, all cords picked up, food, water, toys, bed - everything she could possibly need/want. I know I wouldn't deprive her of her water or food, but that's just me I guess .

[shirlblack]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Frankly, I shocked at your reply. Who told you this was the best way? I think puppies need access to food and water at all times. Small dogs under 4 pounds can develop hypoglycemia, if they go too long a period without eating. Joey's breeder recommended free feeding until the age of 7 months. If you are leaving for long periods of time, where are they going to the bathroom? Do you expect a small puppy to hold it all day? Most puppies even have to get up during the night at least once, and at night bladder output is reduced making urination less frequent. Most people put their dogs in an x-pen with a crate or bed in it, water and food, and a pee pad. If you have no x-pen you can do the same thing in a bathroom. Water should be available all the time.

[Rudys Mom]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

If you are crate training a puppy, say 15wks or older, leaving them without
food or water, if they had both earlier, is not wrong. To leave food and
water in a crate is only setting your puppy up for failure and you will never
get him/her trained! I am not talking about a 1 or 3lb pup who may need
to be feed more often. I am talking about a puppy who eats 2-3 times daily.
Buddy was 14 1/2 wks when I got him. I left no food or water in his crate during the day. I put him in his crate at 8:15 after being walked and returned
home at 12:15 to give him water and walk him again. Back into the crate
until I got home at 5:15. He was, at the time 6lbs. He was trained in 1mo.
I did not get up during the night either! My vet told me not to unless I wanted to be on his schedule instead of having him on mine. I walked
him at 10:30 and put him into his crate until 6:00 am. I heard him cry
a couple of times during the night but did not get up. His crate was dry
when I did get up and right out he went. After only a month he was fully
completely trained and then the crate was taken away and he stayed in the kitchen with two gates up. He did not starve and it is not harmful for them
as long as you use you head and make sure they are fed and watered at least
three times a day until they are trained. If you are home and water is kept
down, like the weekends and you see them drink be sure to get them out
within 15mins to pee or there will be an accident. It is very important
to get them on a schedule. They love schedules and feel secure with one.
Good luck

Carol:

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Sorry but the law says they have to have access to water at all time or by law it is endangering them..... Hummm.

would you leave a human child without water or food for that long at 12 weeks ??? Yes know they are dogs and not kids but they are both babies.

JL

I know I shouldn't touch this but I can't help myself

First off no one suggest NOT TO GIVE YOUR DOG WATER.
It's monitoring the water that makes training happen.
I am sure the law will not knock on your door demanding
you give your puppy water 24/7.
If more people took training serious the pounds and resuce's
would not be over run by dog's who were turned in because
they could not be trained.

As far as a human baby is concerned you can not compare
a dog with a baby. A baby wears diapers which catch the pee
and poop. They are not trained until they possibly reach the age
of two years old. Who want's to clean pee and poop up from
a dog for two years? Not I for sure.
If it's done right your pup will be trained by 6-7 months old.
It will not die of thurst or die of hunger. Let's talk real and
not nonsence.
I did it monitoring food and water. It worked so who's to say it's
wrong? Buddy was not damaged nor did he die. He's healthy, happy,
loved to pieces and spoiled rotten. What more could you ask for?

If people would stop taking one sentence turning it around and running
away with it causing trouble YT would be a better place for learning
instead of making poster's feel attacked. If someone get's results
they are doing something right, right?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

I know I shouldn't touch this but I can't help myself

First off no one suggest NOT TO GIVE YOUR DOG WATER.
It's monitoring the water that makes training happen.
I am sure the law will not knock on your door demanding
you give your puppy water 24/7.
If more people took training serious the pounds and resuce's
would not be over run by dog's who were turned in because
they could not be trained.

As far as a human baby is concerned you can not compare
a dog with a baby. A baby wears diapers which catch the pee
and poop. They are not trained until they possibly reach the age
of two years old. Who want's to clean pee and poop up from
a dog for two years? Not I for sure.
If it's done right your pup will be trained by 6-7 months old.
It will not die of thurst or die of hunger. Let's talk real and
not nonsence.
I did it monitoring food and water. It worked so who's to say it's
wrong? Buddy was not damaged nor did he die. He's healthy, happy,
loved to pieces and spoiled rotten. What more could you ask for?

If people would stop taking one sentence turning it around and running
away with it causing trouble YT would be a better place for learning
instead of making poster's feel attacked. If someone get's results
they are doing something right, right?

I am sorry but you can leave water down 24/7 and still train a dog to pee outside.......done all the time. It is not rocket science nor does it require you to be rude. You talking to someone that takes very much to haert training and the right way to do it and understands fully just how many dogs out there are not trained end up in pounds and mentally not funtioning.

I greatly like to think that 12 weeks is far to young to leave a dog alone without water or food well if you think it fine great have at it.
But you can worry about kidney damagae or hypogicima and undersoicalization and that kills and gets them in pounds as well.
I have trained a dog at 8 weeks to pee and poop outside and left water down all the time.

JL