My little girly is looking for a boyfriend!

[HighlandYorkies]

Some very good points Lorraine !
I would love it if you who all know so much would share more of the things we beginners need to know ....like I notice that nobody has offered me any advice about scanning when I asked. Maybe it's just because it is early days at the moment - but the fact that some of you are happy to see me as a bad person for putting forth the opposite point of view about who should and who should not breed as quick as you do makes me wonder if this thread is just more interesting to you - rather than hope I know what I am doing with my hopefully pregnant bitch. I would have thought that if you are just looking out for the welfare of this breed of dog, my bitch included, you would enlighten others who are interested in the things that could help them, rather than just what you think about us.
I certainly do not HATE, and I think you may only have got this accross from my posts as we are speaking from different cultures. Your country is a large country, so that would explain why a lot of you agree with me that there are very good pet breeders around - and yes, we ALL hate the puppy farmers ! As for those of you who think it is hate I am speaking from, let me assure you that you are entirely misguided, and I think that is just because we come from different sides of the ocean and express things differently. I was brought up different from you, although half of my family, including my Mother were born at your side !
I only try to get accross to you who say there is your way and no other, that you are tarring everyone with the same brush.
Please post things like what you are going on about, like mentioning all the things which might help us....I for one would be very interested to hear from you about breeding problems, etc, as you may know something the books have not told me ! Scanning advice would be greatfully appreciated...how are we supposed to know whether scanning is helpful, harmful, etc. if no-one will tell us ?
We do not meet up with other like-minded breeders at shows to learn info like some of you do, because some of us can't go, are too far away(like me) and might not agree that a Yorkie's place is in a hot show-ring for hours on end - just my opinion - please do not jump on me for that....I'm sure all of you who do it get something out of it, it's just not for me.
Are we bad breeders for not showing and therefore getting the info that way, I think not - we don't show for many reasons, but as you, still want the best for our Yorkies.
Thanks for your comments Lorraine, and NO I certainly don't mean HATE or anything like it.
All the best to all of you who love the Yorkie as much as I do, no matter what your opinion on things are !
From the LEARNER poster who means no harm...... Debra x x x x

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

How rude and how cruel YORKIEDREAMS !
For your information, you have just told me, someone who has Ehlers Danlos Syndrome type 3/4, a hereditory life shortening condition with a 50% chance of passing it on to any offspring, which has meant I have had a lot more operated on than you from the age of 14, and I am now only 39, and shouldn't be here - was told I should have been dead at 30, etc, that I wouldn't have kids if I knew I had something like that !
Well I have one very blessed daughter, who I have passed the condition (and more) onto, through no fault of my own as it was in my notes but never relayed to me in time - and do you know something - I wouldn't change having her for the world with all that is disabled about her.
If you say well you never had any more - then I will tell you it wasn't for the lack of trying - I couldn't have any more....which is why I have replaced the kids I never had with my three treasured Yorkies ! My daughter is nearly 17 and will need watching out for, for the rest of her shortened life, but she brings joy and laughter to all who meet her - she is also a stunning looking girl.
So maybe now you can see that I am not being critical per say, I am only trying to tell your overpowering character ...no matter how well intentioned you think you are....that there are other points of view that are equally correct.
DEBRA

Debra,

First of all, I want to say I am very sorry about your medical condition and disabled daughter, truly I am.

I would also like to point out that from reading several of your other posts, it is so easy to remember you as you seem to be very rude and nasty yourself and then turn around and claim others are on this board.

I don't know if you are frustrated or just utterly bitter because life is now what you would like it to be, but I suggest you get some professional help or spiritual counseling (if you believe in it of course).

It is not healthy the way you express yourself and reflects very poorly on your character. There are many sick, injured, disabled people on here as well. I urge you not to act this way.........please.

Yes, ocassionally there may be a disagreement here and there on YT but we should all respect each other as everyone is entitled to their opinion. There was a thread not too long ago that was 'hot' but what I admire from everyone is that it was debated in a tasteful way and as grown-ups.

At the end of the day, everyone is still a happy YT member and have nothing personal against each other.............just ocassional differences and that is life..........either one gets over it, or keep standing their ground with and disagreeng in a tasteful/respectful way.........nothing wrong with that

I will be praying for you.

Jess

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

Some very good points Lorraine !
I would love it if you who all know so much would share more of the things we beginners need to know ....like I notice that nobody has offered me any advice about scanning when I asked. Maybe it's just because it is early days at the moment - but the fact that some of you are happy to see me as a bad person for putting forth the opposite point of view about who should and who should not breed as quick as you do makes me wonder if this thread is just more interesting to you - rather than hope I know what I am doing with my hopefully pregnant bitch. I would have thought that if you are just looking out for the welfare of this breed of dog, my bitch included, you would enlighten others who are interested in the things that could help them, rather than just what you think about us.
I certainly do not HATE, and I think you may only have got this accross from my posts as we are speaking from different cultures. Your country is a large country, so that would explain why a lot of you agree with me that there are very good pet breeders around - and yes, we ALL hate the puppy farmers ! As for those of you who think it is hate I am speaking from, let me assure you that you are entirely misguided, and I think that is just because we come from different sides of the ocean and express things differently. I was brought up different from you, although half of my family, including my Mother were born at your side !
I only try to get accross to you who say there is your way and no other, that you are tarring everyone with the same brush.
Please post things like what you are going on about, like mentioning all the things which might help us....I for one would be very interested to hear from you about breeding problems, etc, as you may know something the books have not told me ! Scanning advice would be greatfully appreciated...how are we supposed to know whether scanning is helpful, harmful, etc. if no-one will tell us ? We do not meet up with other like-minded breeders at shows to learn info like some of you do, because some of us can't go, are too far away(like me) and might not agree that a Yorkie's place is in a hot show-ring for hours on end - just my opinion - please do not jump on me for that....I'm sure all of you who do it get something out of it, it's just not for me.
Are we bad breeders for not showing and therefore getting the info that way, I think not - we don't show for many reasons, but as you, still want the best for our Yorkies.
Thanks for your comments Lorraine, and NO I certainly don't mean HATE or anything like it.
All the best to all of you who love the Yorkie as much as I do, no matter what your opinion on things are !
From the LEARNER poster who means no harm...... Debra x x x x

Forgot to address this. In my humble opinion, there are so many breeders, show-breeders and exhibitors on here that are willing to help answer questions.

For one, you have to earn it. You can't come here with claws out like a cat and ready to roll up the sleeve and give anyone a battle. People are not going to be very happy and are not going to help you.

You need to be humble and appreciative of the answers/suggestions you get. You DON'T have to agree with everything but you do have to learn to move on or ignore posts.

I have seen many of these 'rude people' that you claim.........give you excellent advice and you seem to jump to conclusions and basically attack them and then on top of that label ALL Yters or ALL show people as "snobs" and unwilling to help.

Wouldn't you agree that it's a little unfair for you to do that? I mean, how would you feel?

It is way to easy to just throw your hands up in the air and say...........well, you are all this and that, all the show breeders are this and that, etc.

You need to learn to control your emotions/anger. Yes, this is the internet and yes, there are many cultures in America.........I still do not understand why it would be any different in Europe.

I am just posting my observations as a reader. I am not a breeder, nor I show. I am a frequent poster on here and from this experience can add my 2 cents

Good luck and if you ever need to talk or a friend to chit chat with........I would love to talk with you. You can Private Message me and I will send you my email address.

Jess

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Forgot to address this. In my humble opinion, there are so many breeders, show-breeders and exhibitors on here that are willing to help answer questions.

For one, you have to earn it. You can't come here with claws out like a cat and ready to roll up the sleeve and give anyone a battle. People are not going to be very happy and are not going to help you.

You need to be humble and appreciative of the answers/suggestions you get. You DON'T have to agree with everything but you do have to learn to move on or ignore posts.

I have seen many of these 'rude people' that you claim.........give you excellent advice and you seem to jump to conclusions and basically attack them and then on top of that label ALL Yters or ALL show people as "snobs" and unwilling to help.

Wouldn't you agree that it's a little unfair for you to do that? I mean, how would you feel?

It is way to easy to just throw your hands up in the air and say...........well, you are all this and that, all the show breeders are this and that, etc.

You need to learn to control your emotions/anger. Yes, this is the internet and yes, there are many cultures in America.........I still do not understand why it would be any different in Europe.

I am just posting my observations as a reader. I am not a breeder, nor I show. I am a frequent poster on here and from this experience can add my 2 cents

Good luck and if you ever need to talk or a friend to chit chat with........I would love to talk with you. You can Private Message me and I will send you my email address.

Jess

Jess,

Once again a very nice post.....you continue to amaze this ole lady.

Mary

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

....As addressed to HighlandYorkie (Debra)"I would also like to point out that from reading several of your other posts, it is so easy to remember you as you seem to be very rude and nasty yourself and then turn around and claim others are on this board.

I don't know if you are frustrated or just utterly bitter because life is now what you would like it to be, but I suggest you get some professional help or spiritual counseling (if you believe in it of course).

It is not healthy the way you express yourself and reflects very poorly on your character. There are many sick, injured, disabled people on here as well. I urge you not to act this way.........please.
Jess[/B]

Obviously there is already history here and I may have missed something. But just looking at this thread, it seems that I probably would have come a little unglued myself if someone purposefully made a comment like Yorkiedreams/Newfiedreams did when she posted: "If, for example, I had or carried a disease or illness that I knew I had a more than 50% chance of passing on to my children, I doubt very much that I would have had any children!" ...... seemed like hitting below the belt when it was posted to someone who has "Ehlers Danlos Syndrome type 3/4, a hereditory life shortening condition with a 50% chance of passing it on to any offspring" and HAS passed it on to her offspring -- a double tragedy -- which has been addressed before! I am certain that sort of thing would fire me up too. It is no one's right to judge AND it is against YT Rule #2 which states: "Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted." Just completely uncalled for!

I think the negative tone was set with her first reply in ALL CAPS, insinuating yelling (YT Rule #3!). Afterall, no one died and named someone here the Breeding Police. I also read previously that having two member names was prohibited on Yorkie Talk. That was brought up directly to this same person before and still they post under two different names. Trivial in a way but just another blatant refusal to follow some simple rules for courtesy and order. But then no one died and named me the forum police either.

I am not saying one is all right and one all wrong -- but it just seems that fuel was definately added to this fire. Much harder to keep a calm head when someone attacks you on such a personal note. BTW -- we are very different Debra's -- not even in the same country! And no, not condoning all her words either -- just understanding how hurtful some of those words must have been to her.

I feel for the OP -- a simple question turned into a molten attack -- for what purpose or contribution to the forum? I don't get it! I wish things like this did not happen -- but this forum is just a slice of the real world. All in all -- probably a much better than average slice so I count us all fortunate in the end.

[MRS H]

[HighlandYorkies]

Some of you are very unforgiving of anyone other than your own wee group putting over a different view from yours.
You post replies of mud-slinging and judgemental untruths about their own personal character.
Some of you will not accept that it is hard to get things over by written text, and think that someone must be a nasty person if they have written a statement that is the opposite to others.
At least I am willing to listen to the other views, and agree to disagree, without resorting to saying people shouldn't be born, are "ungodly" or "have a problem needing help".....I would also share advice with anyone if I was asked, and I would not see myself to be someone to be begged to for the privilege. I judge myself as being a very down to earth person, and I would never mean any ill to anyone, even if it is plain that they think they don't like me.
THIS IS A YORKIE FORUM, not an abuse chamber !

Please get back to the topic poster with your help, not your condemnation. What I told her is there for everyone to read - no pm's from me. She will be greatful for all the nice replies she has had, as are we all....it's the hurt some of you cause by jumping all over people that you should think about - which was all I was trying to say - offer advice nicely - not like a school headmistress !!!
I am no trawl.
Thanks to all who know what I am trying to say and have sent me so many messages of support - if it wasn't for you I would think this forum a terrible place.
Now how about more topics like the hillarious one about "sleeping with your Yorkie"
......better than making people SAD !

I am all for everyone being happy on this forum....happy people and happy Yorkies !
Arguments aren't good for anyone.

END OF......as they say !

DEBRA

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

In reply to the previous statements, you are taking too much upon yourselves here.
Since when were Yorkies "your breed" - that is what is most offensive - you assume that the rest of us are uncaring, unthoughtful, and don't also worry about our dogs welfare, and have no rights to wanting to think of ourselves as Yorkie people too. That is how it comes accross. They are NOT your breed to CONFORM as you want them too, and not once did I say that any of you were not at home ! I was only stating that I was at home ! What you want for the breed is not always the best, as you do little to value all the others who do not make it up to your standards, though I daresay you are into helping the shelters, etc, you would not dream of showing any of them as in your eyes, "they are not good enough" - what complete and utter tripe ! That's where the snobbery comes in !
That's why as a person with a life-shortening painful condition and a disabled daughter, I feel that I know how it feels to be written off and not valued, and I am just putting myself in all those other wee dogs position. And you cannot ever guarantee, no matter what your good intentions are, that some at least of your pups will not be born with features that you would not agree come "up to standard!"
Your comments ARE arrogant, as are mine from my point of view - as we all want what we think is best for our Yorkies - so thanks for the nasty personal messages which really cheered me up no end, and all the nice messages which agree I have a point, even if you don't agree !
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO HITLER WHEN HE TRIED TO FORM THE "PERFECT RACE" IN HIS EYES....AND BY EVIDENCE THERE ARE A FEW HITLERS ON THIS SITE ALSO.
nicolaf22 I am sorry I got the angle of my reply wrong - I was confused by your posts !
I HOPE IT WASN'T ME YOU WERE OFFENDED BY.....I am all for what you are planning in the future, and I was hoping to share what I have learnt so far with you, as we all don't have people we can ask - SO AS I SAID, THE VERY BEST OF LUCK TO YOU, and I hope you find a nice wee boy as I did ! Check the ads in your local advertiser, and the shelters if you can't find a breeder.....I found my darling wee mannie that way.
DEBRA

My God Debra. You are a pure Scot if I had ever seen one.

[HighlandYorkies]

HA HA......
In what way ?
Good I hope !
All the best.........SCOTTISH DEBRA, THE TRUE HIGHLANDER, LOL

[luvdorkyyorkies]

I mean it in all GOODNESS!
Your a feisty thing, and I think you have a very good heart. And the things you say you have the best intentions. I personally think you know a heck of alot more then you let people know........but thats just my opinion.
Not everyone understands it....LOL....but I do understand.
Now dont go playing the bagpipes now Highlander!

[HighlandYorkies]

Aw thanks so much luvdorkyyorkies....you know what I mean then....thank goodness someone does, lol
Talk about putting my head above the old parapit !
NEVER AGAIN ! EEEEEEK !
Don't play 'em bagpeeps, but do play the violin, ha ha ha
Maybe I was on the Culloden battlefield in a past life or something ! It's only 4 miles along the road ! I feel the wounds, hee hee !!!
Take care,
....you made me laugh !
p.s. I was a wee bit naughty putting up what my poor wee Yorkies have to put up with in bed with us - on the topic "sleeping with your Yorkie" - have a read....I'm all for a laugh at my expense
DEBRA

[Pampered-Puppy]

I agree with you your totally right, as he said dont breed her yet, as a new yorkie owner i know there bundles of fluff and in there own right gorgeous and it would be brilliant to have another 2 running around like little toys, but thats where everyone is wrong there not toys, there not something you can play with one minute and forget the next. YOU breed them YOU have empty pockets unless you have serious dedication dont breed and if yoyu do as he said BREED AT MATURITY.
Ty will post more soon.

[nicolaf22]

WOW!! I seem to have created a monster thread.
Please let me clarify a few points.
1. I am not sure why the thread seems to have upset people with medical problems, that is definately not my intention. I too am seriously ill (altho not so much that my girls dont get the attention they deserve and the walks they love) they are my world and we are a constant source of love and attention for each other through out the day.

2. Altho when i first got izzie i contemplated letting her have a litter, i love her so much that we decided against it and got her a friend. (both of which are now spayed)

3. there seems to have been some comments on show and breeding. Both my girls are entirely different. One is small with a docked tail (docked when we got her) and upstanding ears, my other is larger with a long tail and somewhat floppy ears. I adore them both as i do ANY yorkie.

4. I would still like to get a little boy to join the family and have left my details with various people as we would be more than happy to rescue. However in the UK there doesnt seem to be a problem with Yorkies that need a home. They seem to be loved beyond all measure in this country.

I hope that clears things up and i apologise if i upset anyone.

[FlDebra]

Til you posted this last post, I did not realize this was a thread started LAST FALL! LOL! Now it makes sense to me. You contemplated having a FUTURE litter, but decided against it and spayed your girls. So, all the fooferah was for naught! Don't we all look a bit silly. Hope you find that special little boy to join your girls!

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

Aw thanks so much luvdorkyyorkies....you know what I mean then....thank goodness someone does, lol
Talk about putting my head above the old parapit !
NEVER AGAIN ! EEEEEEK !
Don't play 'em bagpeeps, but do play the violin, ha ha ha
Maybe I was on the Culloden battlefield in a past life or something ! It's only 4 miles along the road ! I feel the wounds, hee hee !!!
Take care,
....you made me laugh !
p.s. I was a wee bit naughty putting up what my poor wee Yorkies have to put up with in bed with us - on the topic "sleeping with your Yorkie" - have a read....I'm all for a laugh at my expense
DEBRA

Is it one of those teeny weeny violins between two fingers?........Not sure if you get that or not! ANyway I got a laugh too.
Ive licked a few wounds myself in the past.
I serously need to get my head examined because I found this thread funny for some reason. WHat the heck is funny about it???!!
To the poster, I got a kick out of the monster thread and good luck to you on finding your boy!! Im not sure why it upset people with medical problems either, Ill have to ask my psychitraist.........LOL