Beware Of Shadow Creek Kennels!

[lovelilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Lover_75

I am sorry for all your problems. But I heard that the reason that the Martins sold their dogs was because they had the ringworm (fungus) to start with and they had other problems as well such as liver shunt. They are the ones that tricked this Robin Fisher and other innocent people. I bought a dog from the Martins before they sold their business and my dog had ringworm when I got it. And I was not told before hand. If anyone has poor business practice it would be the Martins. Robin Fisher is probably a very hard working person and maybe really cares about dogs, because if she didn't she would not have told you about the fungus. She sounds very honest. I spent $2000 on the dog and about $600 in vet bills. The dog is fine now and I am perfectly happy with him. He is of high quality in my opinion. I think the reason for the high vet bill was because the vets that I saw just wanted money. The Martins acted like they had no knowledge of it and would not return my phone calls. I think that they were wanting out of the business because the fungus got so bad. Because I heard it can be hard to get rid of, if not taken proper care of. I think that Robin Fisher was tricked just like you. I wouldn't blame her. I might want to buy a dog from her one day.
Are you sure that your child had ringworm????? I had ringworm as a small child and I got it from a cat. I went to the dermatogolist and got some medicine and it was gone in no time. I never had severe problems from it. Maybe your son has eczema???? I have heard that it is a lot like ringworm and it is even harder to get rid of. My son had it when he was little and he finally grew out of it. It looks just like ringworm.

I don't think I would blame Robin Fisher because she was up front with you and you did not have to buy the dog. I would not buy a dog from a person if they told me it had a fungus or something wrong with it, especially for that amount of money. Maybe you should have put more thought into it. From what I have read is that yorkies are prone to having fungus or ringworm because of their dry sky. Maybe you need to just get over it and move on because from everything that I have heard and read about the Martins, it probably started with them. I don't think blaming Robin Fisher and dragging her name through the mud is right. You need to get all of the facts. Maybe her vet is one that just likes the money and doesn't care. There are a lot of people in this world that enjoy hurting people and putting the blame where it doesn't need to be. Because it makes them feel better and they need to grow up. Did you ever meet this woman?
Besides everyone is in something for the money I don't care who you are. I am lawyer and I am most certainly in it for the money.
Did you sign a guarantee? I am a lawyer and if you signed a guarantee and she then told he something was wrong with the dog the contract/guarantee is void or not vaild.

Please feel free to write me back with your comments.

My, my, my someone is very defensive??? The key factor is the breeder told her it was NOT contagious. The simple fact is she lied... no matter how you want to twist the story. The Buyer was under the assumption she wasn't putting her family in any danger!!! People react differently to different things... what maybe a simple treatment to one could be deadly for another. Talk about judgement... your one to talk.

[Frustrated Mom]

Thank you for your support! It is now eight months later and the cultures are still coming back positive. We've tried diflucan, lamisil topically, and now lamisil internally.

Does anyone have any suggestions????

[lolabella]

Oh my goodness! This must have been an awful experience for you. I don't know much about ringworms, but on Wikipedia it says:

"Topical antifungal drugs containing miconazole and clotrimazole, available by prescription or over the counter, are used to clear up the infection. A folk remedy for ringworm is a 1:1 solution of cider vinegar and water. Another alternative is 2 drops Tea Tree Oil (Melaleuca Oil) mixed with an ounce of water. In cats and cattle, sulfurated lime rinses are often used to treat ringworm. Enilconazole, as a rinse, is an effective ringworm treatment available in many countries for treating animals. Fungal infections may take a while to clear up. Terbinafine is highly effective for Tinea corporis. It treats itching, burning, cracking, and scaling that accompany this condition. It cures most ringworm except the types affecting the nails or scalp, which are very difficult to treat.
Griseofulvin is a traditional drug used to treat ringworm in both animals and People. It can be very effective, but may produce side effects.
Undecylenic acid (Castor oil derivative) is an effective fungicide for fungal skin infections such as ringworm."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworm

Best of luck to you.

[bdbmamaw]

When my kids got ringworm from a cat, someone told me to use iodine (the kind you use to put on skinned knees) and it killed the ringworm and never came back. Don't know if you can use it on a dog, though. But it definitely worked on my girls! Just a suggestion....

[Frustrated Mom]

Thank you all! I did forget to mention that we used iodine too. It seemed to work, and the spot did not fluoresce under the light, but the culture still came back positive!
Lamisil is terbanifide, so we are trying that now. It is particularly stubborn in Yorkies, as it is in Persian cats.
Patience is a virtue!

[dobiedude]

Originally Posted by bdbmamaw

When my kids got ringworm from a cat, someone told me to use iodine (the kind you use to put on skinned knees) and it killed the ringworm and never came back. Don't know if you can use it on a dog, though. But it definitely worked on my girls! Just a suggestion....

Iodine will work it clears up many types of fungus. We use it for rain scald on horses which is a fungus. You may want to try it. I would also use the Iodine soap. But you have to do it for a couple of weeks not just one treatment.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by Frustrated Mom

Thank you for your support! It is now eight months later and the cultures are still coming back positive. We've tried diflucan, lamisil topically, and now lamisil internally.

Does anyone have any suggestions????

I believe if my memory is right I read in a magazine a couple days ago that tea tree oil is good for fungus. It caught my attention because I have a fungal ear infection that there is no cure for so I thought I would give that a try. It said it worked great on ringworm. It is worth a try.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Also try a good quality Collodial Silver. It kills about anything.

SOME ESTABLISHED USES FOR COLLOIDAL SILVER Below is a list of diseases

colloidal silver will successfully treat. This is a partial list, as there are over 650 in all. Acne- Aids - allergies - appendicitis - arthritis - athletes foot - bladder infection - blood parasites - blood poisoning- boils - burns - cancer - Candidas - chronic fatigue - colitis - conjunctivitis - cystitis - dandruff- dermatitis - diabetes - diphtheria - eczema - gastro-enteritis - gonorrhea - hay fever- hepatitis - herpes - impetigo - indigestion - keratitus - leprosy - leukemia - malaria - meningitis - neurasthenia - parasitic infection - pneumonia - prostate infection - pruritis ani - psoriasis - rheumatics - rhinitis - ring worm - scarlet fever - septic conditions - seborreah septicemia - shingles - staph and streptococcal - ulcers - viruses - warts - yeast infections etc..

[bdbmamaw]

Originally Posted by dobiedude

Iodine will work it clears up many types of fungus. We use it for rain scald on horses which is a fungus. You may want to try it. I would also use the Iodine soap. But you have to do it for a couple of weeks not just one treatment.

Thanks for clarifying that you do have to use more than 1 application. You're pretty smart for a guy!!!

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Lover_75

I am sorry for all your problems. But I heard that the reason that the Martins sold their dogs was because they had the ringworm (fungus) to start with and they had other problems as well such as liver shunt. They are the ones that tricked this Robin Fisher and other innocent people. I bought a dog from the Martins before they sold their business and my dog had ringworm when I got it. And I was not told before hand. If anyone has poor business practice it would be the Martins. Robin Fisher is probably a very hard working person and maybe really cares about dogs, because if she didn't she would not have told you about the fungus. She sounds very honest. I spent $2000 on the dog and about $600 in vet bills. The dog is fine now and I am perfectly happy with him. He is of high quality in my opinion. I think the reason for the high vet bill was because the vets that I saw just wanted money. The Martins acted like they had no knowledge of it and would not return my phone calls. I think that they were wanting out of the business because the fungus got so bad. Because I heard it can be hard to get rid of, if not taken proper care of. I think that Robin Fisher was tricked just like you. I wouldn't blame her. I might want to buy a dog from her one day.
Are you sure that your child had ringworm????? I had ringworm as a small child and I got it from a cat. I went to the dermatogolist and got some medicine and it was gone in no time. I never had severe problems from it. Maybe your son has eczema???? I have heard that it is a lot like ringworm and it is even harder to get rid of. My son had it when he was little and he finally grew out of it. It looks just like ringworm.

I don't think I would blame Robin Fisher because she was up front with you and you did not have to buy the dog. I would not buy a dog from a person if they told me it had a fungus or something wrong with it, especially for that amount of money. Maybe you should have put more thought into it. From what I have read is that yorkies are prone to having fungus or ringworm because of their dry sky. Maybe you need to just get over it and move on because from everything that I have heard and read about the Martins, it probably started with them. I don't think blaming Robin Fisher and dragging her name through the mud is right. You need to get all of the facts. Maybe her vet is one that just likes the money and doesn't care. There are a lot of people in this world that enjoy hurting people and putting the blame where it doesn't need to be. Because it makes them feel better and they need to grow up. Did you ever meet this woman?
Besides everyone is in something for the money I don't care who you are. I am lawyer and I am most certainly in it for the money.
Did you sign a guarantee? I am a lawyer and if you signed a guarantee and she then told he something was wrong with the dog the contract/guarantee is void or not vaild.

Please feel free to write me back with your comments.

I took this to be very rude. Obviously her son had ringworm.. I'm certain she took her son to a pediatrician. It's not like someone just looks at their child and says "oh look, he has ringworm."

Since you're in it for the money as a lawyer, are you in it for the money with Robin? Are you her buddy and getting a little extra cash for putting out fires about her poor business practices? Geez - who says "Get over it" to someone that is obviously upset and was cheated... that you have never even met!! Very rude.



Dobie, I didn't know that about the iodine... good to know!

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by bdbmamaw

Thanks for clarifying that you do have to use more than 1 application. You're pretty smart for a guy!!!

LMAO - just spit my coffee out on that one!

[Frustrated Mom]

Yes, of course I took my son to a pediatrician. Additionally, ringworm was named because it looks like a ring...nothing else manifests itself as a ring.
I also had it, but of course was less concerned about myself. I never did hear back from Robin either. The website is no longer up and running and there is never an answer on her phone.
I learned an important lesson though. The internet is wonderful for so many things, but it is hard to have faith in people anymore. I bought another yorkie, who has had to stay with friends for fear of contamination, but I met her before I committed.

[dobiedude]

Yeah not too bad for an ole llama raisin loud mouthed obnoxious guy!
One other thing on the Iodine and ring worm you may have to scrape it so it bleeds! I know it gonna hurt but it works good that way too. I know with other fungus you have to do that but I am not sure on ring worm I can find out from my vet though. I am taking some animals over in the afternoon for health certs.

[Frustrated Mom]

Thanks for anything you can help me with!

[yorkie83701]

Sorry to hear of your problems! I came across this post while doing a search of the forums trying to find problems people have had in buying dogs.

I have some personal experience in this, I've had ringworm when I was 12, I picked it up from our family dog, who had it as well. It was easily cured by a doctor and that was the end of it. It's really nothing more than a sore spot of skin, didn't bother me much but it won't go away unless treated properly.

I had a couple of questions in your dealings with the breeder. I understand that you were told the dog had a "fungus" before you bought it, but you decided to take it anyway. Once you were told it was ringworm by a vet did the breeder offer to take the puppy back? I would think that if you were really upset about it and had a 10 month old that you would try and give the puppy back. Did the breeder offer to give you another puppy?

Speaking of which, how did you 10 month old get the ringworm? From what I was told when I had it I would actually have to touch the dog or the places where it laid in order to get it. Where you letting the baby play with the infected puppy?

Also, I'm curious about the $400 in vet bills. If you were sent a puppy with ringworm and you were told up front about it, did you work out something with the breeder regarding treatment? I'd think you would if that were the case before accepting the puppy. How was the breeder in helping you with the ringworm? It sounds like this breeder had just bought another business where several of the dogs had ringworm. Has the breeder been able to cure the other dogs with ringworm? Have you talked to the breeder or the breeders vets about this? I know you mentioned the breeder hasn't been answering their phone anymore when you call, why is that? Is it disconnected? Did the breeder go out of business? Seems to me the breeder would have been an excellent source of information in helping you fix this problem.

I'd really like to know more about this. I'd really hate to think there are breeders out there that are really as bad as you make this one out to be. I have young children I'm interested in buying a dog for, any information would be helpful.

To be perfectly honest, I'm having a hard time taking your side in this. First of all, your user name is "Frustrated Mom". I'm sympathetic to your situation, but it seems you created your account here to voice your displeasure. Also, you've been very aggressive to the person who disagreed with your post, even accusing them of being "in cahoots" with the breeder.

You were told you were getting a dog that had a fungus. You said the breeder didn't tell you it was ringworm. What fungus did you think it was? Would you not have taken the dog had you known? What fungus would be acceptable? This situation seems a little odd. I certainly feel sorry for the baby and the puppy, but I get the impression you haven't handled this situation all that well yourself.

I hope your puppy (and the baby!) get well soon.