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KKandie · 09-05-2006, 06:03 AM

how did you pay maybe you can dispute the charges ? i think you should take it to court for an outrageous amount maybe they would go bankrupt and at the very least get attention from it all and let people know what they do!

Little Bit · 09-05-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baby03

Sorry you had such an awful and hateful experience!! Bad breeders /scammers are all over the place !! I just got my second yorkie and I was amazed at what I saw while I was looking. I found one lady who claimed to be a breeder of yorkies for 30 years. Come to find she was buying them out of the newspaper in and around small towns and reselling them for more and wasn't a breeder at all!!!

Now that is scary! You just never know who you can trust. Was she in San Antonio also?

Nancy

vainchick5 · 09-05-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Meisa

These Unethical Breeders from Oklahoma are giving us Okies a bad reputation and I am very sorry for this. I have also had a bad experience with a breeder here in Oklahoma. I do realize a lot of this is my fault as I did not do what we all know we should when buying a Yorkie. See the parents, see the kennel. etc.

I wanted a small Yorkie, one that would not get over 3 1/2 lbs at most. I purchased a female for $700 but decided she was going to be bigger than I wanted. She was approx. 2 lbs at approx 16 wks. I doubled that to determine her adult weight and figured she would be 4 lbs or more since I really wasn't sure how to figure their weight. I realize 4 lbs is still small but not what I wanted. I sold her to a co-worker that was looking for a Yorkie for his wife. He really got a kick out of me because I printed out instructions on how to care for her and talked to him about how she would be taken care of especially since they have 3 small boys. Anyway, I found another female weighing 1.3 lbs at the same age, doubled that and she would be around the size I wanted. The breeder told me the mother was 3 1/3 lbs and dad was 2 1/2 lbs. In July she weighed 4.5 lbs and the first Yorkie is now 2 1/2 lbs. When I contacted the breeder, she said she told me the mother was 4.5 lbs and she was sorry she wasn't what I wanted. the end! My now 4.5 lb Yorkie also had Legg Perthes and had to have surgery. The breeder's comment was I didn't sell you a breeder. She said my Vet did not know what he was talking about because she contacted her Vet and her Vet had never heard of this. We argued all weekend and I finally just gave up. Partly because I knew it was my fault too. I did not see the parents, I did not see the kennel, I just feel in love with this tiny little face. My husband thinks she was probably younger than what she said also. Oh, and I paid $1200 for the second one. I thought the only way I was going to be able to get what I wanted was to pay a higher price and my husband agreed to spend that much so I could finally have the tiny Yorkie I wanted. No one understands why this is so upsetting to me because she is still small. But, she also has none of the qualities I wanted. She does not play, she cannot jump up in the chair, her hair will not change colors like my other Yorkie. She pretty much eats, sleeps and follows me around the house. The first one, Luci, had attitude and I like that Yorkie attitude. I am very disappointed in this one but cannot afford to get another one. She is sweet but there is just not the connection with her that I wanted. I am just stuck. The breeder I got the second Yorkie from is now selling "Designer Dogs" on Next Day Pet. Haven't seen any Yorkies from her since I got mine. After I purchased mine, another co-worker informed me (too late) that this breeder was known for selling dogs with genetic problems. Wish she had known I was talking to the woman about a dog before I spent $1200. Expensive lesson learned.

I'm shocked that you would hold it against this poor baby for her size, when really it was YOU who should have done your homework. I'm sorry if this is sounding harsh, but dogs are not accessories. You should love her no matter what, she sounds like a sweetheart, who has no control over her charateristics or her size

Meisa · 09-05-2006, 01:35 PM

I agree with a lot of what has been said. I should have done my homework. I should care no matter what. Her size should not matter. However, I do not agree with your not understanding my frustration with not getting what I paid for. No one needs to feel sorry for these dogs. They are loved and taken care of. If not, I would have already sold her. But, that is like selling a member of my family. I sold the first one to a friend that I had been trying to help locate a Yorkie for anyway. And it was very hard to let her go. I regret selling the first one, not just because she turned out to be smaller but because every time I see her I feel that she was part of my family and now she isn't and that is tough. That is one reason I could never be a breeder. I couldn't let them go. I was not looking for a tiny, tiny Yorkie. I do not agree that tiny Yorkies are not healthy. My Cassie was 3.5 lbs and lived to be 16 1/2 yrs old. She was very healthy. I consider a 3.5 lb Yorkie to be a tiny. And I noticed some of you have Yorkies that are smaller than that. So how can you judge me for wanting another one that size. I just did not want one that was bigger than that. I also understand size cannot be guaranteed. Didn't expect that. What upset me was the breeder changed her story when I told her the weight was 4.5 lbs. at that time and she had indicated she would not be that big. As far as having the surgery as soon as possible. It isn't as if we waited to get it taken care of. The vet diagnosed her on Friday afternoon and the surgery was Monday morning. As soon as we realized there was a problem we took her to the vet. You make me out to sound like a horrible person and really I'm not. I only meant to voice my frustration and by doing so be able to let it go. And I think it has helped because I really feel defensive about her and your saying she is not happy. She started playing last night and I was delighted. Not for me but because I know she will be a happier puppy if she can get around better and this was a sign her leg was healing. I did not expect or ask the breeder for my money back or for reimbursement of the Vet fees. I only told her so she would be aware the leg problem had shown up in one of her litters. We had a 9 lb Yorkie at one time that was adorable also. We let my son take her when he moved out because we felt it would break her heart if he didn't come home every night since she was so attached to him. Did I want a smaller Yorkie, Yes, guilty. Do I not care about this one because she is bigger than I wanted, No, not guilty. Do I have the same bond I had with Cassie, No, guilty but I truely am working on that because I know that is a fault in me, not in my baby. She is not my Cassie and never will be but she has her own personality and is adorable in her own right. And I do worry that she may sense my disappointment and pray she doesn't because as I said it certainly isn't her fault. It is mine. Am I letting go of wanting what I had with Cassie. Yes and no. It won't be the same bond, it will be the bond between my new baby and me. Just different. I thought you on this forum would understand my frustration and help me to realize what I have. You have not disappointed. Sometimes we need harsh word to make us realize. So thank you all.

PlatinumYorkies · 09-05-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Meisa

I agree with a lot of what has been said. I should have done my homework. I should care no matter what. Her size should not matter. However, I do not agree with your not understanding my frustration with not getting what I paid for. No one needs to feel sorry for these dogs. They are loved and taken care of. If not, I would have already sold her. But, that is like selling a member of my family. I sold the first one to a friend that I had been trying to help locate a Yorkie for anyway. And it was very hard to let her go. I regret selling the first one, not just because she turned out to be smaller but because every time I see her I feel that she was part of my family and now she isn't and that is tough. That is one reason I could never be a breeder. I couldn't let them go. I was not looking for a tiny, tiny Yorkie. I do not agree that tiny Yorkies are not healthy. My Cassie was 3.5 lbs and lived to be 16 1/2 yrs old. She was very healthy. I consider a 3.5 lb Yorkie to be a tiny. And I noticed some of you have Yorkies that are smaller than that. So how can you judge me for wanting another one that size. I just did not want one that was bigger than that. I also understand size cannot be guaranteed. Didn't expect that. What upset me was the breeder changed her story when I told her the weight was 4.5 lbs. at that time and she had indicated she would not be that big. As far as having the surgery as soon as possible. It isn't as if we waited to get it taken care of. The vet diagnosed her on Friday afternoon and the surgery was Monday morning. As soon as we realized there was a problem we took her to the vet. You make me out to sound like a horrible person and really I'm not. I only meant to voice my frustration and by doing so be able to let it go. And I think it has helped because I really feel defensive about her and your saying she is not happy. She started playing last night and I was delighted. Not for me but because I know she will be a happier puppy if she can get around better and this was a sign her leg was healing. I did not expect or ask the breeder for my money back or for reimbursement of the Vet fees. I only told her so she would be aware the leg problem had shown up in one of her litters. We had a 9 lb Yorkie at one time that was adorable also. We let my son take her when he moved out because we felt it would break her heart if he didn't come home every night since she was so attached to him. Did I want a smaller Yorkie, Yes, guilty. Do I not care about this one because she is bigger than I wanted, No, not guilty. Do I have the same bond I had with Cassie, No, guilty but I truely am working on that because I know that is a fault in me, not in my baby. She is not my Cassie and never will be but she has her own personality and is adorable in her own right. And I do worry that she may sense my disappointment and pray she doesn't because as I said it certainly isn't her fault. It is mine. Am I letting go of wanting what I had with Cassie. Yes and no. It won't be the same bond, it will be the bond between my new baby and me. Just different. I thought you on this forum would understand my frustration and help me to realize what I have. You have not disappointed. Sometimes we need harsh word to make us realize. So thank you all.

No one can guarantee size...

Meisa · 09-05-2006, 06:33 PM

I have already acknowledged that fact more than once.

baby03 · 09-06-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Bit

Now that is scary! You just never know who you can trust. Was she in San Antonio also?

Nancy

Yes Nancy she was !!!! Pm me if you need more info!!!!

JESSY_RN2B · 09-06-2006, 11:20 AM

Wow, this is terrible!

Francie · 09-08-2006, 11:49 AM

He follows you around? Sounds like he's grown quite attached to you.....

It's a shame humans can't be so "Blind" to the "faults" of those we've come to love.

Francie

JiggityJig · 09-08-2006, 10:10 PM

I'm having a hard time understanding this. You wanted a 3.5 lb dog....you thought the first one would be FOUR LBS, so you gave it away? That's only half a pound over!! Your second dog only weighs ONE POUND over your ideal...I'd say you are really lucky! The ones I feel sorry for are the people who give crazy-money for what they think will be a 4-5 lb dog, and end up with one that's ten lbs or more. I've read that over and over here, and THAT would be aggravating! But....one lb difference?!

I have a 3.5 lb, and a five lb., and they BOTH "jump up in my lap, and climb up on my shoulder", as you described. They're like little mountain goats, or monkeys, climbing all over us!

I don't mean to pile on you when now you've sd. that you are finally beginning to accept your new baby, but man, I was feeling so sorry for her. I hope that you are more and more able to appreciate her unique qualities, and find happiness with her. I'm certainly sorry about her leg problem and the breeder being unhelpful. Good luck.

Meisa · 09-10-2006, 05:01 AM

Yes, that isn't much of a difference. Not enough to worry about. I guess the best way to explain is that some 4 lb Yorkies are very sleek, lean and elegant looking and some 4 lb Yorkies are very stocky looking. It isn't so much the actual weight as the look. Mine is the stocky looking. Where my 3.5 lb'er could curl up and sleep on the corner of my pillow; there is no way this one could do that. She doesn't curl up when she lays down, she stretches out and takes up the entire pillow. My shoulder isn't big enough for her to sit on even if she could jump up there. My son has a Yorkie that is built like mine and she could never jump. Too short and boxy, I guess. She is now 10 yrs old and has never jumped. They try but it is like they just can't lift their bodies. Our 3.8 lb Yorkie just glides when he jumps. It's just a difference in Yorkies. I can't believe how attached to her I have become just since posting on here. Maybe the more I have tried to explain, the more I realize how stupid I have been. My husband gave her a haircut and it is so cute. She is using her leg more every day and playing with the other dog more. Think we're gonna be ok.

JiggityJig · 09-10-2006, 09:18 AM

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Yes, that isn't much of a difference. Not enough to worry about. I guess the best way to explain is that some 4 lb Yorkies are very sleek, lean and elegant looking and some 4 lb Yorkies are very stocky looking.

Well, thank you for explaining more, and with maturity...I guess that makes more sense to me. My 5 lb baby is very broad and stocky, and my smaller one is extremely slim-lined and fine-boned. And ironically, my husband and I were talking just last night about how funny it was that the smaller one can jump anywhere she wants to, like a little monkey, while the larger one is the one that always tries and crashes!

And I know this is just a matter of preference thing, and you were attached to the specific look and feel of a baby that you loved for so many years....but in my case, it's the STOCKY look that I prefer! I just think Kiki is so much more firm and cuddley and fun feeling. Mazie is just so fragile and slight....I would LOVE for her to be more "substantial" feeling!

So maybe this "different" sort of yorkie will grow on you, and you'll learn to appreciate what makes HER special. I have to give you kudos.....there is probably not many times that getting confronted on a message board really changes anybody's mind about anything, but you are taking a negative and turning it into a positive, and that is to your credit.

Good luck to you both, as you "bond".

Meisa · 09-10-2006, 03:52 PM

She definately is growing on me. I spent today sewing a dress for her and she looks so cute in it. The more I just hold her and play with her the more I think she is all I really need. No, she can't jump but it's kinda nice that she comes to me wanting me to help her up in my lap. She is really the sweetest little thing and I can appreciate her different personality now. Letting Cassie go was the hardest thing and I'm sure I was hanging on to her too much. I'll always miss her but this one isn't replacing her; only a different relationship. She is built really cute actually and no way am I getting rid of her. Think this has been good therapy for me. Made me face what I was doing and realize how wrong it was. I took a week off work and spent it crying over Cassie for a couple days; then just holding and caring for my new baby. I'm getting teary eyed all over again just talking about Cassie but I know it will get better as time passes and I have Meisa to help me. She is very loving. It was really rather funny. Before Cassie died, Meisa didn't really seem to care if I paid attention to her or not. She would go to my husband. As soon as Cassie was gone, she started following me everywhere. Think maybe she knew I needed her then.

JiggityJig · 09-10-2006, 08:05 PM

Well, I guess we have gone way off the topic of this thread, but I just wanted to tell you that, out of respect for you, I went back and read your threads about Cassie. I'm glad that you were able to have her for so long, but I understand that that only made losing her harder. We "heard" our loved cat making his regular noises around the house for several years after he died, so I know what that's like.

I admire you for taking criticism, and for trying to change your approach to this situation. Look at it this way...you can never replace Cassie, and what she meant to you. So maybe it's a GOOD thing that Meisa is so different. If she resembled Cassie (either physically, or personality) maybe that would just make it WORSE, because she would always be LIKE her, but never HER.

So being totally different, maybe that will actually help you resolve your grief, and move on to have a NEW kind of relationship with a NEW dog. It sounds like you're already doing that, and I'm happy for you both.

doortego · 09-10-2006, 08:40 PM

I have to say I admire you for not wanting to breed her. I am so concerned by all the people on these threads that feel like they have to breed every Yorkie ever born. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound harsh but it seems to me like so many are trying to make these family pets support them by breeding anything that has papers & some that don't. Our pets are just that - our pets. They are not a money making proposition. I can't imagine how small the percentage of our Yorkies that really should be bred. And most of us are so unprepared for the actual birthing process or the care of the pups that come. Oh I really need to get off my soapbox but have to say one more time. Spay & Neuter Your Pets.

09-05-2006, 06:03 AM	#31
KKandie Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Al Posts: 58	how did you pay maybe you can dispute the charges ? i think you should take it to court for an outrageous amount maybe they would go bankrupt and at the very least get attention from it all and let people know what they do! __________________ Honesty's The Best Policy

09-06-2006, 11:20 AM	#38
JESSY_RN2B Owned by 3 furballs Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,581	Wow, this is terrible! __________________ Bobbi Yorkietalk http://www.dogster.com/dogs/395435 And now........little Aja too! http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/23776545

09-08-2006, 10:10 PM	#40
JiggityJig YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,226	I'm having a hard time understanding this. You wanted a 3.5 lb dog....you thought the first one would be FOUR LBS, so you gave it away? That's only half a pound over!! Your second dog only weighs ONE POUND over your ideal...I'd say you are really lucky! The ones I feel sorry for are the people who give crazy-money for what they think will be a 4-5 lb dog, and end up with one that's ten lbs or more. I've read that over and over here, and THAT would be aggravating! But....one lb difference?! I have a 3.5 lb, and a five lb., and they BOTH "jump up in my lap, and climb up on my shoulder", as you described. They're like little mountain goats, or monkeys, climbing all over us! I don't mean to pile on you when now you've sd. that you are finally beginning to accept your new baby, but man, I was feeling so sorry for her. I hope that you are more and more able to appreciate her unique qualities, and find happiness with her. I'm certainly sorry about her leg problem and the breeder being unhelpful. Good luck. __________________ OUR HEARTS KIKI MAZIE JIMBOB ELFIE OUR JOYS

09-10-2006, 08:05 PM	#44
JiggityJig YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,226	Well, I guess we have gone way off the topic of this thread, but I just wanted to tell you that, out of respect for you, I went back and read your threads about Cassie. I'm glad that you were able to have her for so long, but I understand that that only made losing her harder. We "heard" our loved cat making his regular noises around the house for several years after he died, so I know what that's like. I admire you for taking criticism, and for trying to change your approach to this situation. Look at it this way...you can never replace Cassie, and what she meant to you. So maybe it's a GOOD thing that Meisa is so different. If she resembled Cassie (either physically, or personality) maybe that would just make it WORSE, because she would always be LIKE her, but never HER. So being totally different, maybe that will actually help you resolve your grief, and move on to have a NEW kind of relationship with a NEW dog. It sounds like you're already doing that, and I'm happy for you both. __________________ OUR HEARTS KIKI MAZIE JIMBOB ELFIE OUR JOYS

09-05-2006, 01:35 PM	#34
Meisa Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 57	I agree with a lot of what has been said. I should have done my homework. I should care no matter what. Her size should not matter. However, I do not agree with your not understanding my frustration with not getting what I paid for. No one needs to feel sorry for these dogs. They are loved and taken care of. If not, I would have already sold her. But, that is like selling a member of my family. I sold the first one to a friend that I had been trying to help locate a Yorkie for anyway. And it was very hard to let her go. I regret selling the first one, not just because she turned out to be smaller but because every time I see her I feel that she was part of my family and now she isn't and that is tough. That is one reason I could never be a breeder. I couldn't let them go. I was not looking for a tiny, tiny Yorkie. I do not agree that tiny Yorkies are not healthy. My Cassie was 3.5 lbs and lived to be 16 1/2 yrs old. She was very healthy. I consider a 3.5 lb Yorkie to be a tiny. And I noticed some of you have Yorkies that are smaller than that. So how can you judge me for wanting another one that size. I just did not want one that was bigger than that. I also understand size cannot be guaranteed. Didn't expect that. What upset me was the breeder changed her story when I told her the weight was 4.5 lbs. at that time and she had indicated she would not be that big. As far as having the surgery as soon as possible. It isn't as if we waited to get it taken care of. The vet diagnosed her on Friday afternoon and the surgery was Monday morning. As soon as we realized there was a problem we took her to the vet. You make me out to sound like a horrible person and really I'm not. I only meant to voice my frustration and by doing so be able to let it go. And I think it has helped because I really feel defensive about her and your saying she is not happy. She started playing last night and I was delighted. Not for me but because I know she will be a happier puppy if she can get around better and this was a sign her leg was healing. I did not expect or ask the breeder for my money back or for reimbursement of the Vet fees. I only told her so she would be aware the leg problem had shown up in one of her litters. We had a 9 lb Yorkie at one time that was adorable also. We let my son take her when he moved out because we felt it would break her heart if he didn't come home every night since she was so attached to him. Did I want a smaller Yorkie, Yes, guilty. Do I not care about this one because she is bigger than I wanted, No, not guilty. Do I have the same bond I had with Cassie, No, guilty but I truely am working on that because I know that is a fault in me, not in my baby. She is not my Cassie and never will be but she has her own personality and is adorable in her own right. And I do worry that she may sense my disappointment and pray she doesn't because as I said it certainly isn't her fault. It is mine. Am I letting go of wanting what I had with Cassie. Yes and no. It won't be the same bond, it will be the bond between my new baby and me. Just different. I thought you on this forum would understand my frustration and help me to realize what I have. You have not disappointed. Sometimes we need harsh word to make us realize. So thank you all.

09-05-2006, 06:33 PM	#36
Meisa Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 57	I have already acknowledged that fact more than once.

09-08-2006, 11:49 AM	#39
Francie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,194	He follows you around? Sounds like he's grown quite attached to you..... It's a shame humans can't be so "Blind" to the "faults" of those we've come to love. Francie

09-10-2006, 05:01 AM	#41
Meisa Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 57	Yes, that isn't much of a difference. Not enough to worry about. I guess the best way to explain is that some 4 lb Yorkies are very sleek, lean and elegant looking and some 4 lb Yorkies are very stocky looking. It isn't so much the actual weight as the look. Mine is the stocky looking. Where my 3.5 lb'er could curl up and sleep on the corner of my pillow; there is no way this one could do that. She doesn't curl up when she lays down, she stretches out and takes up the entire pillow. My shoulder isn't big enough for her to sit on even if she could jump up there. My son has a Yorkie that is built like mine and she could never jump. Too short and boxy, I guess. She is now 10 yrs old and has never jumped. They try but it is like they just can't lift their bodies. Our 3.8 lb Yorkie just glides when he jumps. It's just a difference in Yorkies. I can't believe how attached to her I have become just since posting on here. Maybe the more I have tried to explain, the more I realize how stupid I have been. My husband gave her a haircut and it is so cute. She is using her leg more every day and playing with the other dog more. Think we're gonna be ok.

09-10-2006, 03:52 PM	#43
Meisa Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma Posts: 57	She definately is growing on me. I spent today sewing a dress for her and she looks so cute in it. The more I just hold her and play with her the more I think she is all I really need. No, she can't jump but it's kinda nice that she comes to me wanting me to help her up in my lap. She is really the sweetest little thing and I can appreciate her different personality now. Letting Cassie go was the hardest thing and I'm sure I was hanging on to her too much. I'll always miss her but this one isn't replacing her; only a different relationship. She is built really cute actually and no way am I getting rid of her. Think this has been good therapy for me. Made me face what I was doing and realize how wrong it was. I took a week off work and spent it crying over Cassie for a couple days; then just holding and caring for my new baby. I'm getting teary eyed all over again just talking about Cassie but I know it will get better as time passes and I have Meisa to help me. She is very loving. It was really rather funny. Before Cassie died, Meisa didn't really seem to care if I paid attention to her or not. She would go to my husband. As soon as Cassie was gone, she started following me everywhere. Think maybe she knew I needed her then.

09-10-2006, 08:40 PM	#45
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	I have to say I admire you for not wanting to breed her. I am so concerned by all the people on these threads that feel like they have to breed every Yorkie ever born. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound harsh but it seems to me like so many are trying to make these family pets support them by breeding anything that has papers & some that don't. Our pets are just that - our pets. They are not a money making proposition. I can't imagine how small the percentage of our Yorkies that really should be bred. And most of us are so unprepared for the actual birthing process or the care of the pups that come. Oh I really need to get off my soapbox but have to say one more time. Spay & Neuter Your Pets.