Chaffins (Oklahoma) - Unethical Breeders

[pauldo]

Airpline Girl: It was interesting to see your response b/c I just received an odd, illogical email from Cissye Chaffins the other day that stated:

“I have read the things you have at yorkietalk and then the same people want a puppy…The things you are putting on the internet are helping my business not hurting so thank you…”

Other comments in their email include:

1.”you have taken and changed what was said to fit your scam”(Hmmm…the Chaffins still seem to be referring to unhappy customers as “scammers” -- they seem to forget that I was the one that was deceived and lost money)

2.we “get emails from people who understand how you are” (I don’t get this one either since I live up in Canada).

3.”[Those that have had problems with me] can please email me with the problems they have had with me I will take care of their complaint. (I can imagine …I know first hand how the Chaffins handle complaints: verbally abuse and physically threaten).

4.”You have threatened us physically [WHAT???] …You have been reported to the United States Border Patrol as a danger.” (My training is actually in law – you cannot just go report someone as a danger at the border – there’s a lot more involved – the Chaffins definitely lie quite easily)

5.”We are feeling very sorry for you in your mental state of mind…I am praying for you”.

Hmmm --- it appears to me that the Chaffins have convinced themselves that what they are doing (lying, being verbally abusive, threatening) is legitimate behavior and that anyone who dares challenge them is “mentally unstable”.


Airplanegirl you are lucky you avoided them!!!

[airplane_girl]

pauldo

Yes I'm glad that I did!
Thanks for the heads up
now I know better
Interesting comments about:
these comments have been helping her business


I think yt members know better when it comes to bad reviews.

[YorkieGuru]

Yes we sure do. That breeder can be scratched off the list.

[Meisa]

These Unethical Breeders from Oklahoma are giving us Okies a bad reputation and I am very sorry for this. I have also had a bad experience with a breeder here in Oklahoma. I do realize a lot of this is my fault as I did not do what we all know we should when buying a Yorkie. See the parents, see the kennel. etc.

I wanted a small Yorkie, one that would not get over 3 1/2 lbs at most. I purchased a female for $700 but decided she was going to be bigger than I wanted. She was approx. 2 lbs at approx 16 wks. I doubled that to determine her adult weight and figured she would be 4 lbs or more since I really wasn't sure how to figure their weight. I realize 4 lbs is still small but not what I wanted. I sold her to a co-worker that was looking for a Yorkie for his wife. He really got a kick out of me because I printed out instructions on how to care for her and talked to him about how she would be taken care of especially since they have 3 small boys. Anyway, I found another female weighing 1.3 lbs at the same age, doubled that and she would be around the size I wanted. The breeder told me the mother was 3 1/3 lbs and dad was 2 1/2 lbs. In July she weighed 4.5 lbs and the first Yorkie is now 2 1/2 lbs. When I contacted the breeder, she said she told me the mother was 4.5 lbs and she was sorry she wasn't what I wanted. the end! My now 4.5 lb Yorkie also had Legg Perthes and had to have surgery. The breeder's comment was I didn't sell you a breeder. She said my Vet did not know what he was talking about because she contacted her Vet and her Vet had never heard of this. We argued all weekend and I finally just gave up. Partly because I knew it was my fault too. I did not see the parents, I did not see the kennel, I just feel in love with this tiny little face. My husband thinks she was probably younger than what she said also. Oh, and I paid $1200 for the second one. I thought the only way I was going to be able to get what I wanted was to pay a higher price and my husband agreed to spend that much so I could finally have the tiny Yorkie I wanted. No one understands why this is so upsetting to me because she is still small. But, she also has none of the qualities I wanted. She does not play, she cannot jump up in the chair, her hair will not change colors like my other Yorkie. She pretty much eats, sleeps and follows me around the house. The first one, Luci, had attitude and I like that Yorkie attitude. I am very disappointed in this one but cannot afford to get another one. She is sweet but there is just not the connection with her that I wanted. I am just stuck. The breeder I got the second Yorkie from is now selling "Designer Dogs" on Next Day Pet. Haven't seen any Yorkies from her since I got mine. After I purchased mine, another co-worker informed me (too late) that this breeder was known for selling dogs with genetic problems. Wish she had known I was talking to the woman about a dog before I spent $1200. Expensive lesson learned.

[pauldo]

Sorry to hear about your similar experience. Are you thinking about selling her or wld it be too hard to get that $ back. I know that wasn't a possibility here where I live to get $1500 for a yorkie so I just kept Tiko. I (like you)had trouble bonding with Tiko (he wasn't what I wanted, I overpaid, his breeders were mean, mean, mean to me, he didn't play like my female yorkie.........) however, we have now really become attached to him, and despite his 8lb size -- adore him. No, he doesn't play like Kira, but I have discovered that he has his own style of playing and his own personality which I didn't seem to notice or appreciate until we had him for several months. Anyways I still understand your disappointment -- I still am attracted to those "tiny" yorkies and still am always looking at yorkie ads. Can you share your yorkie breeder's name with us so we know who to avoid. Thanks.

[Meisa]

I really feel quilty that I just can't seem to accept this yorkie. I look at her and just want to cry because she isn't what I wanted or what I thought I was paying for. My husband loves her. Although he has a yorkie that plays all the time and jumps in his lap. She is cute and very sweet, but not what I want. No, I know that I cannot sell her and get my money back especially with the hip problem. She still is not using the leg all the time and I'm not sure she ever will. Where I live most people would think I was crazy for paying what I did and to be honest I won't tell anyone what I gave for her. I can only hope that I can bond one day. I am just afraid that although I may accept her to a point, I will never have the connection with her that I so desperatly wanted. I am constantly looking at adds also. Although I really can't afford to buy another one right now and afraid I will just make the same mistake again. And what if the next one has more medical problems. I'm really not trying to replace my Cassie but I loved that she could jump up in my lap and would sit on my shoulder. She was 3 1/2 lbs and I just wanted one that didn't get any bigger than she did. I loved her attitude also and I could play with her. Meisa just looks at toys and wants nothing to do with them. Just wants to lay around. I am glad that at least someone understands my disappointment instead of laughing at me or making me feel worse for not being happy with her. My kids and husband think I am being ridiculous and should be happy with her. Of course everyone else I know has 100 lb dogs so she IS tiny to them. The breeder I purchased her from was Sandy Dishman in Braggs, Oklahoma. I really could not understand her attitude. I thought since she was a breeder and this disorder showed up in one of her pups, she would want to know about it and not use these same parents in future litters. But, she didn't care. She told me that since I knew so much about Legg Perthes and her vet had never heard of it, that I should write a theises about it and send her a copy with my references. Anyway, thanks again for understanding and I too am sorry for your bad experience with an Oklahoma breeder. I'm sure there are good breeders in Oklahoma, unfortunately the bad ones are the ones we hear so much about. Please don't judge us Okies by your experience. Or maybe we need to hear more about the bad ones so this won't happen to any of us.

[baby03]

Sorry you had such an awful and hateful experience!! Bad breeders /scammers are all over the place !! I just got my second yorkie and I was amazed at what I saw while I was looking. I found one lady who claimed to be a breeder of yorkies for 30 years. Come to find she was buying them out of the newspaper in and around small towns and reselling them for more and wasn't a breeder at all!!!

[pauldo]

Baby03 - those poor little puppies going from home to home -- what some people won't do to make a $...

Meisa -- I forgot to ask you how long you've had your new girl -- if it's just been a few months that's probably why you are feeling the way you do. It took me 6 months b/f I stopped thinking about selling Tiko. Are there other options for you to get another yorkie? I just bred my female to a small 3lb. stud a few weeks ago and I am hoping that she is pregnant, and will have at least one tiny in the litter. Although my husband thinks I'm crazy he has agreed to let me keep one puppy (that wld mean we would have 3 yorkies - up until a few years ago my husband wouldn't even consider 1 dog in the house!!!)... Sandy Dishman sounds rude, rude, rude -- I can just imagine the sarcasm in her voice when she asked you to send her a "thesis" on Legg Perthes.

[baby03]

You think that lady was bad ?? Found one with over 60 dogs. She had yorkies, chi's, bostons, and westies She had them in a building type thing with a/c in little kennels. When I walked in there I was like " yeah I've seen enough". I took my business elsewhere

[Meisa]

Actually it's been about 8 months since I got her. My sister tells me I'm probably feeling this way because I am still mourning the loss of my Cassie in June making it even harder for me to accept her. I had her spayed at 6 mos so breeding her is not an option. I was suppose to get the pick of the litter from the one I sold a friend but she is way too small to breed. Since she was the one we thought would be around 4 to 5 lbs, he had planned to breed her and if I would sell her to him, he would give me the pick. Think I'm just going to give it more time. I regret selling the first one and afraid I'd be making the same mistake again. One regret is all I can deal with right now. Don't know if I could convince my husband to get another one but maybe later.

[RMKC]

All i can say : Poor Dogs !

[Susanbee51]

I am sorry for the bad experience you have had with your "Breeder". All I can say is that from the 1st day I held my little girl in my arms, you couldn't have gotten her away from me no matter what. Did I care how big she got or how much she would weigh at adulthood. NOT A BIT!! Would I have been upset with a health problem. SURE, YOU BET!! She would have been to the vet and the surgical procedure taken care of immediately. Was she cute at 3 lbs? Of course. At 4? Definately. 5? Still just as beautiful. 6? She is my gorgeous little girl.

I had an opportunity when chosing my yorkie, of getting one that would be 3 pounds at adulthood. I was also cautioned about the additional health problems, risks and the frailty of such a small little one. No thanks. I prefer enjoying my little girl instead of spending time at a vets office.

I cannot understand returning an animal that has been a disappointment because of size. Health issues, I understand the frustration there. I would hope that your contract with the breeder stated a guarantee that they would pay or reimburse a portion of any genetic problems being treated by a vet.

I didn't know that a breeder could give you an absolute guarantee on the size the puppy would be at adulthood. I would guess there is a chart that goes by the averages, but is not a guarantee that if your puppy weighs 18 ozs. at 6 weeks, she/he will only weigh 3 lbs. as an adult.

[red98vett]

Man I feel so sorry for the dogs in this thread. RMKC - I'm with you - Poor Dogs is right

What happened to accepting what they are (size) and DEALING with it ? I know if you plan to breed - size is important - but a novice breeder cannot just get a cheap yorkie and HOPE it's the size they want - you all need to do alot more research if you don't want these kinds of problems. The yorkies are the ones suffering....I hate to see people screwed out of money - but I think I feel worse for the yorkies that are getting kicked to the curb because they weigh a FEW pounds more than expected.

I don't want to sound mean & I mean no harm here - but it's something to think about. IF YOU PLAN TO BREED - Find the best breeder you can and spend the money....ETHICS are rare out there- the ethical breeders may charge a bit more - but in the end it's worth it.

Meisa - I TRULY mean no offense - but your yorkie may sense you don't like her - I can't imagine a puppy not playing. She sounds sweet and I hope she finds more love in her life.....We can't bond with every animal but it sounds like you aren't even trying.

[red98vett]

I had to add one more thing - (sorry for the rant - on my 3rd cup of coffee) but for all you that WANT TO BREED - I would advise not buying off the net. It may take alot more work but you need to find a GOOD breeder to purchase your 'dream' yorkie from - just finding a cute website and trusting they will keep their word is nuts. I feel bad you all were taken advantage of but honestly - you're taking a big chance with the many Internet Breeders out there

I'm saying this and will shut up - IF you did get a yorkie that is larger than the standard - be happy if he/she is healthy. Think of all the sick puppies we're seeing now - Too many are dying and have serious health issues - so in MY (humble) opinion - Why not be grateful you have a healthy yorkie...

ok...Stepping away from the coffee now....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I had to add one more thing - (sorry for the rant - on my 3rd cup of coffee) but for all you that WANT TO BREED - I would advise not buying off the net. It may take alot more work but you need to find a GOOD breeder to purchase your 'dream' yorkie from - just finding a cute website and trusting they will keep their word is nuts. I feel bad you all were taken advantage of but honestly - you're taking a big chance with the many Internet Breeders out there

I'm saying this and will shut up - IF you did get a yorkie that is larger than the standard - be happy if he/she is healthy. Think of all the sick puppies we're seeing now - Too many are dying and have serious health issues - so in MY (humble) opinion - Why not be grateful you have a healthy yorkie...

ok...Stepping away from the coffee now....

Yeah! So, glad you posted this, and I'm in total agreement with you. So, many people wanting a yorkie or have adopted a yorkie from an internet breeder think you can just push a button and out comes the yorkie you have put in an order for. Reputable breeders do not and I say do not breed for tinies (too many health issues may occurr). No such thing as a teacup, read the standard, this is just an advertising ploy to bring in the bucks. Size is unpredictable in this breed. Parents do not determine size.