Breny's Exquisite Babydolls?

[JERSEY BOY]

I have one of Brenys beautiful baby dolls . Brielle is 6 years old, adorable, healthy and as sweet as can be. Take a look at my posts under breeder reviews. Breny is the only breeder I would buy from.

[spruitt7]

I have my precious Evie from Breny. Shes an amazing breeder. She cares and is passionate about her breeding. Shes also very knowledgeable about it!

Even after her babies go to their forever homes, shes always checking up on them etc. Shes never been hesitant to answer my questions about yorkies or my little chihuahua (She didnt breed him, but shes helped when he was sick)

Oh how I wish I could get another one of your babies.

[Daisy23]

My full review is on Brenda's website but I will sum it up here short and sweet! My little girl Jersey came from Breny. She will be 10 this year and actually is the first Yorkie that Brenda had (well not Breny but Meiah/Brody lol). She is the PERFECT little girl!! She's happy and most importantly 100% healthy. I've recommended two other couples to Breny and their pups are happy and healthy. She's an amazing breeder who cares and is passionate about her breeding. Her Facebook group is an open book like she said...we see everything!

Even after her babies go to their forever homes, shes always checking up on them. She even adopted my first yorkie Daisy into her family.

When you get a baby from Brenda, you get a friend for life!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

Nancy, as far as I know you're not a breeder and that you're still here telling how to breed and what words we can't use to describe our puppies is, frankly, tiresome!
Brenda is a very experienced breeder with an excellent reputation. Some of us don't buy the YTCA hype declaring themselves the owners of the breed patent!

Of course I’m not a breeder, I only a pet owner who along with my two young children watched our beautiful; purebred dog suffer from inherited problem due to poor breeding practices. When I asked the vet what we could do, he looked at me with tears in HIS eyes, and said, “Damn backyard breeders.” This had a huge impact on me. For a while, I was against all breeders, but then I learned that there are some people who aren’t breeding for profit, but because they truly love the breed. They actually want to do right by the dogs, and won’t sell to just anyone, they want to find great home for their dogs. Many of these breeders belong to the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America. The YTCA is the mother club and yes, I believe a group of breeders who have joined this club does have the most cumulative knowledge about the breed and what’s for it. I had never heard of the YTCA before I joined Yorkietalk, and I assume others are the same, so I tried to teach what I have learned, I’m very grateful the people who have taught me. Here’s the YTCA view on using marketing terminology to sell dogs. http://www.theyorkshireterrierclubof...ocs/Teacup.pdf

Here’s another paper on what makes a responsible breeder. http://www.theyorkshireterrierclubof...LE_BREEDER.pdf

By the way, if I were a breeder, wouldn't that make me a little prejudiced?

Also, I have no knowledge of Breny's dogs, only the fact that I'm disappointed in her choice of names.

[spruitt7]

At the end of the day whether she uses the word "babydoll" or not, she's an amazing breeder and takes good care of her babies. That's what this thread is about, its not about a stupid word.

Breny also isnt my first experience with a yorkie breeder. I have had a bad experience with another breeder. Thats why I made a point to post my thoughts about Breny here. Ive been on both ends with good and bad breeders.

I purchase my other yorkie, Macie, from a bad breeder. At the time, I didn't do much research on the breeder. I had to put my 11-month-old yorkie down due to under developed organs. There wasn't anything I could do to save her.

Breny was very understanding and helped me deal with the loss of Macie even before I decided to purchase a puppy from her.

[Schooby]

I got my first yorkie (Chase) from Breny 7 years ago. Chase was perfect, and Breny was always (and still is) available to answer any questions I had (and as a first time mom I had ALOT!). A year later it was time to give Chase a brother, and my boyfriend and I wouldn't go to anyone but Breny. Calvin fit right into our family just like he was always there. At 6 and 7 years old my boys are very healthy, having only had to deal with 2 or 3 ear infections, and a couple tummy bugs. Their bloodwork has always been great, and I am thankful every day that we were picked to share our lives with these boys <3

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Of course I’m not a breeder, I only a pet owner who along with my two young children watched our beautiful; purebred dog suffer from inherited problem due to poor breeding practices. When I asked the vet what we could do, he looked at me with tears in HIS eyes, and said, “Damn backyard breeders.” This had a huge impact on me. For a while, I was against all breeders, but then I learned that there are some people who aren’t breeding for profit, but because they truly love the breed. They actually want to do right by the dogs, and won’t sell to just anyone, they want to find great home for their dogs. Many of these breeders belong to the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America. The YTCA is the mother club and yes, I believe a group of breeders who have joined this club does have the most cumulative knowledge about the breed and what’s for it. I had never heard of the YTCA before I joined Yorkietalk, and I assume others are the same, so I tried to teach what I have learned, I’m very grateful the people who have taught me. Here’s the YTCA view on using marketing terminology to sell dogs. http://www.theyorkshireterrierclubof...ocs/Teacup.pdf

Here’s another paper on what makes a responsible breeder. http://www.theyorkshireterrierclubof...LE_BREEDER.pdf

By the way, if I were a breeder, wouldn't that make me a little prejudiced?

Also, I have no knowledge of Breny's dogs, only the fact that I'm disappointed in her choice of names.

I hate to disappoint you BUT there are YTCA Breeders that don't breed correctly and do sell Yorkies that are sick and then don't own up to it. I have learned that a Breeder being a YTCA Member is not all it is cracked up to be. There are many REPUTABLE Breeders out there that aren't YTCA and do all the testing and do breed correctly. You just have to search for them.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

I hate to disappoint you BUT there are YTCA Breeders that don't breed correctly and do sell Yorkies that are sick and then don't own up to it. I have learned that a Breeder being a YTCA Member is not all it is cracked up to be. There are many REPUTABLE Breeders out there that aren't YTCA and do all the testing and do breed correctly. You just have to search for them.

I'm sorry if you thought I implied all YTCA breeders are good breeders. It depends why they joined the YTCA, some have joined only to add prestige to their name to sell more pups. However, the club is more than the sum of it's parts, I don't believe that they make up rules willy-nilly, but to protect the breed. Marketing terms should not be used to sell your dogs. So many of you believe that Breny is a good breeder and word of mouth is so powerful, I just wish her name didn't reflect the fact that she might be breeding teacups. I agree with you about doing your homework and knowing what are the red flags, and why certain rules are important.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

I hate to disappoint you BUT there are YTCA Breeders that don't breed correctly and do sell Yorkies that are sick and then don't own up to it. I have learned that a Breeder being a YTCA Member is not all it is cracked up to be. There are many REPUTABLE Breeders out there that aren't YTCA and do all the testing and do breed correctly. You just have to search for them.

I believe your statement to be true of many National Breed Clubs. But hopefully we attract and keep those members who have a deep commitment to the breed and a passion for breeding healthy well structured and temperament dogs.

There is a dearth of Yorkies that have been Chic'd last time I checked offa only had partial reports on 178 Yorkies...

Nancy probably does know that not all YTCA breeders represent the top of the breeders - that takes a very long time - to glean the experience - make your mistakes - learn from them - and of course accumulate more knowledge as over the years you go forward. In my mind a great breeder always is learning.

I of course know of Breny from here - and I think baby doll Yorkies is an unfortunate term that in some minds casts a pall. She has had a lot of client happiness from her breedings. But a short nose and small ears is not to the YT standard. Does that mean she does not breed healthy Yorkies? Well no of course not. But of course research on posted health tests for her breeding stock would be at least a reasonable first step.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm sorry if you thought I implied all YTCA breeders are good breeders. It depends why they joined the YTCA, some have joined only to add prestige to their name to sell more pups. However, the club is more than the sum of it's parts, I don't believe that they make up rules willy-nilly, but to protect the breed. Marketing terms should not be used to sell your dogs. So many of you believe that Breny is a good breeder and word of mouth is so powerful, I just wish her name didn't reflect the fact that she might be breeding teacups. I agree with you about doing your homework and knowing what are the red flags, and why certain rules are important.

I never thought of the descriptors baby doll or teddy bear face as implying teacup or mini. I understand that these terms are not official terms and discouraged by the YTCA, but there are discernible differences in faces of the top show Yorkies. Many do have shorter snouts and smaller ear sets, well within standard.

I suppose breeders could use basic adjectives like 'beautiful' to describe their lines' faces, but that is really subjective. My boys have beautiful faces, but they are not baby doll or teddy bear (Don't tell Teddy! ).

I do cringe when I see "EXTREME baby doll," meaning essentially no snout. Those are almost always from the Asia-based breeders and have a lot of other problems.

I support the breed club, imperfect just like any other entity and its membership may be. I also admire your passionate and informed advocacy for the ethical breeding of dogs.

Maybe there could be a little more leeway with descriptor terms for selling pets? I know that health and temperament should come first, but we can't deny that we have a certain look in mind when we seek a puppy from a breeder.

For instance, there is a fairly wide range of body types among Yorkies in the show ring, cobby vs longer legged. I don't think I have ever seen a breeder advertise longer legged, but they do advertise cobby. I don't think there has ever been any objection to that, although cobby implies smaller.

Originally Posted by gemy

I believe your statement to be true of many National Breed Clubs. But hopefully we attract and keep those members who have a deep commitment to the breed and a passion for breeding healthy well structured and temperament dogs.

There is a dearth of Yorkies that have been Chic'd last time I checked offa only had partial reports on 178 Yorkies...

Nancy probably does know that not all YTCA breeders represent the top of the breeders - that takes a very long time - to glean the experience - make your mistakes - learn from them - and of course accumulate more knowledge as over the years you go forward. In my mind a great breeder always is learning.

I of course know of Breny from here - and I think baby doll Yorkies is an unfortunate term that in some minds casts a pall. She has had a lot of client happiness from her breedings. But a short nose and small ears is not to the YT standard. Does that mean she does not breed healthy Yorkies? Well no of course not. But of course research on posted health tests for her breeding stock would be at least a reasonable first step.

I thought the trend among show Yorkies has been for a small "bow tie" ear set, and that snouts can vary fairly widely. I've seen snouts of all lengths, shorter and longer in the ring. As long they have a discernible snout. I think even you have commented that judges vary in what they place importance on, a certain type of face vs the perfect gait and coat. Ideally a dog will have it all, but not all champions look exactly alike.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by gemy

I believe your statement to be true of many National Breed Clubs. But hopefully we attract and keep those members who have a deep commitment to the breed and a passion for breeding healthy well structured and temperament dogs.

There is a dearth of Yorkies that have been Chic'd last time I checked offa only had partial reports on 178 Yorkies...

Nancy probably does know that not all YTCA breeders represent the top of the breeders - that takes a very long time - to glean the experience - make your mistakes - learn from them - and of course accumulate more knowledge as over the years you go forward. In my mind a great breeder always is learning.

I of course know of Breny from here - and I think baby doll Yorkies is an unfortunate term that in some minds casts a pall. She has had a lot of client happiness from her breedings. But a short nose and small ears is not to the YT standard. Does that mean she does not breed healthy Yorkies? Well no of course not. But of course research on posted health tests for her breeding stock would be at least a reasonable first step.

I agree with Gemy that "babydoll" is an unfortunate term, and that these dogs may not be breed standard. I saw that there are a lot of "Parti" (white with colored patches) yorkies on the website Information - Breny's Exquisite Babydolls , and that's not breed standard either, although they are allowed in the AKC.

Here is info on the Yorkshire Terrier breed standard:

Yorkshire Terriers: The AKC Breed Standard - For Dummies

http://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/sta...ireTerrier.pdf

That said, it doesn't mean that these dogs aren't healthy. Clearly there are a lot of people satisfied with these dogs. Just be aware that they may not be breed standard, even though you are paying a premium price ($1500 to $3000, according to the website). The OP should do their due diligence with respect to being sure they buy a healthy dog with a good health guarantee. If everything checks out, and this is what you want, then go for it.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I agree with Gemy that "babydoll" is an unfortunate term, and that these dogs may not be breed standard. I saw that there are a lot of "Parti" (white with colored patches) yorkies on the website Information - Breny's Exquisite Babydolls , and that's not breed standard either, although they are allowed in the AKC.

Here is info on the Yorkshire Terrier breed standard:

Yorkshire Terriers: The AKC Breed Standard - For Dummies

http://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/sta...ireTerrier.pdf

That said, it doesn't mean that these dogs aren't healthy. Clearly there are a lot of people satisfied with these dogs. Just be aware that they may not be breed standard, even though you are paying a premium price ($1500 to $3000, according to the website). The OP should do their due diligence with respect to being sure they buy a healthy dog with a good health guarantee. If everything checks out, and this is what you want, then go for it.

Frankly, I'm shocked by this as well, she charges more if they smaller and this perpetuates the nonsense that smaller is better. Every breeder should be helping the breed in some way, and this just hurts the breed.


By the way, baby doll and doll faced are according to the YTCA synonymous with tea-cup. So many people are aware of the bad connotations of teacup, breeders just use these new words. Pet owners can use whatever words they like, breeders shouldn't use these words to market their dogs.

[gemy]

Head: Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long,
with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is
acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and
sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped,
carried erect and set not too far apart.

This is what the AKC standard actually says about the head. And here is where interpretation comes into play. Muzzle not too long does not stipulate a *short muzzle* - If the creators of the standard wanted a short muzzle they would have stipulated to have a *short muzzle*

Ears are small- Again how small is small? Obviously should not be like a rabbits ears - but I think that one way to judge are the ears in proportion to the head. When I look at the dog do I only see first the ears? Ear set is pretty important and many Yorkies I have seen in the ring have a natural ear set too wide apart - which is why some exhibitors when doing the top knot pull the ears closer together. They take a small bit of hair from the side of each ear and gather it into the top knot. This can mean the top of the
head is too broad and or the ears are set in too far to the side of the head.

Yorkies are not meant to be broad headed. That is with a wide forehead.

But here is what I absolutely love and that is the statement about General Appearance. This is so very important to any breed standard.

General Appearance: That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

To me that last sentence says it all about the Yorkie attitude. Vigor and self-importance!!! Yeah in spades is what a well bred Yorkie should have. Think for a minute. You can't have vigor without a healthy structure and a correct temperament. And then they point out the dog should be self confident - again commenting upon the temperament of the dog.

So very much is said in that first paragraph of the breed standard. And how many breeders of Yorkies actually breed for temperament?? Ummm

[SophieKatesMom]

Personally I love looks of Breny's puppies, call them "Babydolls" or "ducks" I think they are perfect. Are they YTCA standard? Probably not but heck I have a 9lbs girl with floppy ears and a tail docked to short so I am not so worried about standard.

I do know a few people who have Breny puppies, are all healthy well socialized and thriving in their homes.

This is just my opinion, but I tend to go for what I like more than what is standard. My Yorkie is a pet, she is not for show or breeding just a family member so the social aspect is very important to me along with health and the environment in which they are bred (which Breny is very open about).

[Rachael1983]

There have been some very valid points here.

Having lost Troy 3 years ago, I think health of the lines was way more important to me, knowledge/accessibility of the breeder was at the top of the list and I was about 15% concerned with the look of the yorkie as I assumed that I would get a quality yorkie by the way I chose the breeder (if that makes sense).