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Originally Posted by Nancy1999  I'm sorry if you thought I implied all YTCA breeders are good breeders. It depends why they joined the YTCA, some have joined only to add prestige to their name to sell more pups. However, the club is more than the sum of it's parts, I don't believe that they make up rules willy-nilly, but to protect the breed. Marketing terms should not be used to sell your dogs. So many of you believe that Breny is a good breeder and word of mouth is so powerful, I just wish her name didn't reflect the fact that she might be breeding teacups. I agree with you about doing your homework and knowing what are the red flags, and why certain rules are important. |
I never thought of the descriptors baby doll or teddy bear face as implying teacup or mini. I understand that these terms are not official terms and discouraged by the YTCA, but there are discernible differences in faces of the top show Yorkies. Many do have shorter snouts and smaller ear sets, well within standard.
I suppose breeders could use basic adjectives like 'beautiful' to describe their lines' faces, but that is really subjective. My boys have beautiful faces, but they are not baby doll or teddy bear (Don't tell Teddy!
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I do cringe when I see "
EXTREME baby doll," meaning essentially no snout. Those are almost always from the Asia-based breeders and have a lot of other problems.
I support the breed club, imperfect just like any other entity and its membership may be. I also admire your passionate and informed advocacy for the ethical breeding of dogs.
Maybe there could be a little more leeway with descriptor terms for selling pets? I know that health and temperament should come first, but we can't deny that we have a certain look in mind when we seek a puppy from a breeder.
For instance, there is a fairly wide range of body types among Yorkies in the show ring, cobby vs longer legged. I don't think I have ever seen a breeder advertise longer legged, but they do advertise cobby. I don't think there has ever been any objection to that, although cobby implies smaller.
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Originally Posted by gemy I believe your statement to be true of many National Breed Clubs. But hopefully we attract and keep those members who have a deep commitment to the breed and a passion for breeding healthy well structured and temperament dogs.
There is a dearth of Yorkies that have been Chic'd last time I checked offa only had partial reports on 178 Yorkies...
Nancy probably does know that not all YTCA breeders represent the top of the breeders - that takes a very long time - to glean the experience - make your mistakes - learn from them - and of course accumulate more knowledge as over the years you go forward. In my mind a great breeder always is learning.
I of course know of Breny from here - and I think baby doll Yorkies is an unfortunate term that in some minds casts a pall. She has had a lot of client happiness from her breedings. But a short nose and small ears is not to the YT standard. Does that mean she does not breed healthy Yorkies? Well no of course not. But of course research on posted health tests for her breeding stock would be at least a reasonable first step. |
I thought the trend among show Yorkies has been for a small "bow tie" ear set, and that snouts can vary fairly widely. I've seen snouts of all lengths, shorter and longer in the ring. As long they have a discernible snout. I think even you have commented that judges vary in what they place importance on, a certain type of face vs the perfect gait and coat. Ideally a dog will have it all, but not all champions look exactly alike.