Susan Morgan / Glenda Albritton

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

All I can say is I would watch what you post on a public forum if it is not true, and posting emails from someone is a copyright infringement and an invasion of privacy.

Says who?

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Says who?

That's the part of the thread that made me start replying too. I watch too much Law and Order and those cheesy court shows to not speak up

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I did not know that the bordatella vaccine can cause coughing. I guess it makes sense, I just thought that it would clear up with antibiotics and it hasn't...I'm still upset with how everything worked out with the first vet that I'm quick to jump the gun and blame everything on her. I even told her what my breeder said about the lepto vaccine causing neurological problems in yorkies but she just shook her head dismissively and said that it was an issue in our area and to go ahead and vaccinate him if not he will die from lepto and that it is contagious and that he will very likely give it to me. I just have two different vets giving me two different opinions and I just wish this information was readily available, like statistics or something of lepto outbreaks throughout the United States as well as the probability that your dog will contract lepto given that they reside in the United States versus the probability that they will contract lepto given that they reside in different states, etc. I also wish the data was available on a yearly basis in order to make sure that there wasn't some kind of "freak" year where a bunch of lepto cases occurred that were out of the norm and do not hold true to the population average...

The problem with the lepto vaccine is that it doesn't protect against all strains and only lasts for 6 months. Not to mention the possible harm it can do to your dog. I think many vets scare owners into getting this shot for their dogs because humans can contract lepto. For Yorkies, the risk of getting lepto is very small and the risk of adverse reactions is high.

I had a vet (different than the one I mentioned earlier) try to push the lyme vaccine for a pup of mine. Now, I live in the city, in Mississippi and there are no deer in my area. Yet he was really doing a hard sell on the vaccine.

In Elaine's case, I think the vet may have been just pushing vaccines. He wasn't her regular vet and was only seeing the pup because she was sick. Vaccinations should have been left to her regular vet and he should have only dealt with Mia's immediate problem IMO.

I know I'm repeating myself, but as to the part of your post I bolded, my pup only got better after giving her Temaril. Antibiotics did not work but the Temaril cleared her very quickly. She did an amazing turnaround with it.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

The problem with the lepto vaccine is that it doesn't protect against all strains and only lasts for 6 months. Not to mention the possible harm it can do to your dog. I think many vets scare owners into getting this shot for their dogs because humans can contract lepto. For Yorkies, the risk of getting lepto is very small and the risk of adverse reactions is high.

I had a vet (different than the one I mentioned earlier) try to push the lyme vaccine for a pup of mine. Now, I live in the city, in Mississippi and there are no deer in my area. Yet he was really doing a hard sell on the vaccine.

In Elaine's case, I think the vet may have been just pushing vaccines. He wasn't her regular vet and was only seeing the pup because she was sick. Vaccinations should have been left to her regular vet and he should have only dealt with Mia's immediate problem IMO.

I know I'm repeating myself, but as to the part of your post I bolded, my pup only got better after giving her Temaril. Antibiotics did not work but the Temaril cleared her very quickly. She did an amazing turnaround with it.

What is Temaril and what is it for? Will the vet give it to me if I suggest it? I'm still sitting around dreading the day Teddy will show symptoms from the Lepto vaccine, its a mistake I live with and feel terrible for everyday that passes.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Jeanie, that video was taken 10 days after she had the pup.
She took that puppy to the vet the day she got her and the vet bill diagnosed as yeast infection in ear and prescribed Otomax.
From there on that same visit this vet proceeded to give this "supposedly" very sick 2lb puppy a full series of shots(Distemper, corona,parainfluenza, Parvovirus........AND A RABIES SHOT. (which Elaine had been told the pup had already had 3 series and to wait another week)
Plus the pup was given Heartguard Plus and Vectra K-9 for a 2-10# pup
Would a vet give a 2 lb puppy all of this if it was sick? What is wrong with this picture?
I would be finding me a new vet.

Mia was not given ALL this stuff. She was given two shots which I agree she should not have been given. It does not negate the fact she WAS sick when she was bought and that was documented on her first visit. Ear infections and cough.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

HOLY COW I was not aware of all of that. Guess i need to read better. The OP should have know better than that, whe's been a YT member since 2006. NO RABIES TIL THEY ARE 6 MONTHS. Why heatrguard in the winter time in Jersey?

Just shaking my head.

Jeannie, she wasn't given what Breezeway states. She was given two shots and I agree she should not have been given these two shots. He was not the regular vet I use. She is with my regular vets now. I do not use heartguard in the winter months on ANY of my dogs because I do not liek them getting a lot of crap. I do not use flea and tick treatment on my dogs unless necessary. They are kept in full coat and kept beautifully with no flea issues.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

You wouldn't have read it because she left that part out of her story.
I just feel the whole story should be told and not just the parts the buyer wants to post.
No wonder that puppy got sick after that vet visit.

I did not leave ANYTHING out. The whole story has been told. You chose to believe things that are being told to you, such as another vet report. I gave you permission to post that other vet report if you have it. There is no other vet report. Only the bills and the unfit for sale letter. Your FRIENDS are lying to you and if you choose to believe them then that is up to you. The puppy was sick when I initially took her in and I agree that the shots should not have been given, but again it does not negate that she WAS SICK and Once again I DID NOT USE HEARTGUARD OR V WHATEVER ON THIS PUPS. SHE WAS GIVEN ONLY THE TWO SHOTS, which you are right should not have been given.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

What is Temaril and what is it for? Will the vet give it to me if I suggest it? I'm still sitting around dreading the day Teddy will show symptoms from the Lepto vaccine, its a mistake I live with and feel terrible for everyday that passes.

Temaril is used for itching and coughing. It contains steriods.

Any reaction to the lepto vaccine would've already occurred.

[jrsygal37]

Woogie Man. I will ask my vet about the Temaril. Mia thankfully is showing great improvement the past two days and hopefully we are at the end of a bad 13 days. I will ask him though for future reference. Thanks. Elaine

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

What is Temaril and what is it for? Will the vet give it to me if I suggest it? I'm still sitting around dreading the day Teddy will show symptoms from the Lepto vaccine, its a mistake I live with and feel terrible for everyday that passes.

Don't feel bad for doing what you thought was right at the time. There is a lot of controversy on vaccines, and as you have seen, the vets don't agree with each other on the research. There are some cases where the risk of the vaccine outweighs the risk of catching the disease and vice versa. The best thing any pet owner can do is arm themselves with information and talk to their vets. Sometimes, they have a reason for doing things that needs to be taken in to consideration in your decision. Other times, they are doing it because it's the way they've always done it. In either case, you should know their thinking and they should listen to yours so that the two of you together can come up with what's best for your dog.

[bchgirl]

Elaine...perhaps you aren't aware but distemper is given in a combination of FOUR or FIVE vaccines.

DHPP - Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, and Parvovirus

The other which contains Letpo. DHLPP.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Temaril is used for itching and coughing. It contains steriods.

Any reaction to the lepto vaccine would've already occurred.

Really, you think so? I thought that neurological reactions take awhile to show/develop?

[Breezeaway]

The welfare of the puppy is my Number one concern, AS I stated I was questioning as to why the puppy was given so many shots.
I just felt that you were in the wrong just as much as the breeders.
As many years as you have been on YT , the wealth of knowledge on here and from your previous purchases from them that you, of all people would not have purchased from them and then come on here blame them like it you have no fault in it. Both parties are at fault.
How do we educate people ,when you advise people here on YT on what and what not to do and yet you turn around and do what you advise others not to do. Twice.
I do not know these breeders, she contacted me last night after reading Yorkietalk and informed me about all the shots that were given to Mia, I couldn't believe it, so she sent me the vet statements.

I am in no way defending anyone.
I care about yorkies very deeply and it really bothered me that a long time member, advocate for rescue and advisor on here would seek a yorkie in the manner in which you did and ignore all the warning signs. Then within an hour had all these shots given to Mia knowing it was against your better judgement.
Mia is the one who has suffered because of this.
What I want to come out is that the buyer has to research, check references and be responsible for what you are about to commit to.You are buying what is to become a part of your family.
When a person purchases a yorkie, it not like buying a pair of shoes. It is a lifetime commitment and should be taken very very seriously.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Elaine...perhaps you aren't aware but distemper is given in a combination of FOUR or FIVE vaccines.

DHPP - Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, and Parvovirus

The other which contains Letpo. DHLPP.

No, I wasn't aware. He said distemper to me I only vaccinate what is required by the law because I believe that too many vaccinations do more harm then good and since my dogs are not exposed to any other and not taken to dog parks etc. I don't feel they are necessary.

Again, I can't say it loud enough I am sorry she got the shots and I agree the vet should not have given the to her. Again, it does not negate she was sold sick and I want to express that point because it's important to know she was sold KNOWNINGLY ill. E.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Don't feel bad for doing what you thought was right at the time. There is a lot of controversy on vaccines, and as you have seen, the vets don't agree with each other on the research. There are some cases where the risk of the vaccine outweighs the risk of catching the disease and vice versa. The best thing any pet owner can do is arm themselves with information and talk to their vets. Sometimes, they have a reason for doing things that needs to be taken in to consideration in your decision. Other times, they are doing it because it's the way they've always done it. In either case, you should know their thinking and they should listen to yours so that the two of you together can come up with what's best for your dog.

Thank you, I appreciate it. It's hard because he's my first little one and I want to do everything the best that I can to ensure he is well and healthy for many years to come.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

What is Temaril and what is it for? Will the vet give it to me if I suggest it? I'm still sitting around dreading the day Teddy will show symptoms from the Lepto vaccine, its a mistake I live with and feel terrible for everyday that passes.

What is Temaril-p?

All I can tell you is that we went through 3 different antibiotics before my vet prescribed it.

You bring up a good point. Vaccine reactions are not always immediate and go beyond allergic reactions right after the shot is given. That being said, 'most' dogs do not have adverse reactions and many problems are associated with continued over-vaccination. If your Teddy is fine now (except for the cough), chances are you won't see any problems in the future from a one time administration of the lepto.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Really, you think so? I thought that neurological reactions take awhile to show/develop?

It's an allergic reaction to the vaccine...which generally happens very shortly after administrating. From swelling or hives or worse case fatal
anaphylactic shock.