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[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I'm shocked that a vet would give ANY vaccination to a sick puppy. The one pup I bought with a respiratory infection was not given any vaccinations until she was well.

I posted earlier about my vet finally prescribing Temaril to clear her up, after antibiotics didn't work. It worked and she was completely well within just a few days. My vet would not give any vacs until she was well.

Your girl is very small and, whenever anything comes up, will need excellent vet care. IMO, your vet has exercised poor judgment. In the same situation, I would be finding another vet.

I agree with you about the vaccines. This is not the usual vet I see. He was the only one available at the time I called. I called from the road. In his defense, and I'm not condoning it but in his defense Mia did not seem that sick initially. She had a cough and she had bilateral yeast and bacteria infections. I have since had two other vets (Not the intitial vet she was seen by) taking care of her. However, I do not think that the vaccines are what caused her to get this sick. She was sick (As per Susan) and she was being held longer due to the cough. Then I got an email (Which I have) stating Mia or Joy as they called her was fine and I could come to see her. When I saw her I spent about 15 / 20 minutes with her tops and took her. It was ONLY on the way home about a half hour into the ride did she then show signs of a problem. She was shaking her head and crying. Honestly I thought ear mites. I called my vet office from the road and brought her in. At Susan's the day I got Mia, Susan said that she had just gotten a health certificate done a few days ago, clearing Mia. I did not look in the folder for it. I Assumed it was there, but again honestly I believed Susan and would not have asked for it anyway. After, I asked for reimbursent for vet bills ONLY after they got up to about $250 did I then get supplied the name of the vet where Susan took the whole litter for a cough on 12/20. I did call them and they verified they were there on 12/20 and were given Zithromax. She did not take them back there for follow up. Again being honest, Parkway didn't say she needed to come back for follow up, that is what they told me on the phone, but did say if they weren't better of course they should come back. Susan did not bring Mia back. I can't say how the brother and sister are, only how Mia was and is.

[Woogie Man]

Elaine, I hope that your usual vet is one you can trust. I will tell you that the vet should not have given the vaccines, even if she only seemed a little sick. The pup I got was no where near as sick as the video you posted, yet my vet would not vaccinate her. To be clear, I did not go there asking for vaccinations. It's just basic not to inject a virus into an already sick dog. Having a cough means she was a sick dog.

I'm sorry you're going through all this. I only posted because of concern for your pup as I had gone through a similar situation. I hope she makes a full recovery. Do watch out for your other girl as she could get sick, too. I kept my pup away from my other dogs the entire time she was ill.

Wishing you and Mia all the best.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

. . . THE PUP ONLY RECEIVED HER RABIES AND DISTEMPER SHOT, WHICH SHE WAS DUE FOR IN A FEW DAYS. My vet felt it was safe to give it to her. . .

This part confuses me, I've read a million times not to give rabies with any other shots, and I thought you didn't give rabies until a dog is much older? Also the distemper shot was giving a "few days early". Why? This is the sort of thing that could cause tiny problems. Not only that, but then to give it to a dog that you don't know for sure has been well? We all know to never give a sick dog shots. I agree with the others who say you need a new vet. I’m so sorry you are going through this Elaine, but I really think your vet has caused some of these problems.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This part confuses me, I've read a million times not to give rabies with any other shots, and I thought you didn't give rabies until a dog is much older? Also the distemper shot was giving a "few days early". Why? This is the sort of thing that could cause tiny problems. Not only that, but then to give it to a dog that you don't know for sure has been well? We all know to never give a sick dog shots. I agree with the others who say you need a new vet. I’m so sorry you are going through this Elaine, but I really think your vet has caused some of these problems.

I explained that the vet was not our regular vet at the hospital. He was the one there at the time I called. I agree the shots should not have been given, however I do not think it caused her to be sick. She was sick, and in defense of him and again not condoning his giving the shots but in defense Mia did not appear to be terribly sick. She had a cough and she had ear infections but otherwise displayed being a normal puppy. She just wasn't combating it and at night she appeared to be worse then she had been. I have not brought her back to that vet. I have the two other vets that I use regularly and have used for 15 years taking care of her. I do agree she should not have been given the shots and did ask him about them prior but was assured they would be fine. Elaine

[AllDogBoots]

I just want to say that for whatever reason your Mia is sick, I'm so sorry you are going through this. It's so very difficult to bring home a sick puppy as well as deal with the events that transpired.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This part confuses me, I've read a million times not to give rabies with any other shots, and I thought you didn't give rabies until a dog is much older? Also the distemper shot was giving a "few days early". Why? This is the sort of thing that could cause tiny problems. Not only that, but then to give it to a dog that you don't know for sure has been well? We all know to never give a sick dog shots. I agree with the others who say you need a new vet. I’m so sorry you are going through this Elaine, but I really think your vet has caused some of these problems.

Nancy, do you mind directing me to a thread that explains the above information? Teddy is due within a week for the distemper shot and he still has a "cough," that I hear once in a while. He got the cough after he received the bordatella vaccine about 3 weeks ago and I still hear it from time to time even after 10 days (the tenth day being yesterday) of amoxicillin. I will say this all to my vet on Tuesday/Wednesday when I see him, but I would like to know what answer a "good vet" would give so that I know what to do/expect.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Elaine, I hope that your usual vet is one you can trust. I will tell you that the vet should not have given the vaccines, even if she only seemed a little sick. The pup I got was no where near as sick as the video you posted, yet my vet would not vaccinate her. To be clear, I did not go there asking for vaccinations. It's just basic not to inject a virus into an already sick dog. Having a cough means she was a sick dog.

I'm sorry you're going through all this. I only posted because of concern for your pup as I had gone through a similar situation. I hope she makes a full recovery. Do watch out for your other girl as she could get sick, too. I kept my pup away from my other dogs the entire time she was ill.

Wishing you and Mia all the best.

Thanks. Yes, I am upset that the shots were given. I do feel that they should not have been and have discussed this and was told that they did not cause her to get sicker. My usual vet is the ONLY vet I take my dogs to and if he is not there I have one other that I love and trust. I've been using this practive for 15 years and they are not cheap but the best in our area. This doctor she went to is fairly new to the practice and I won't bring her to him again. It was one of those things that he was there and wanted her seen right away. They do not feel it contributed in any way to her becoming sicker, that's what I was told.

I had kept her away from them as much as possible, but the vet said that what Mia has is airborne. I treat it as if a kid is sick and clean, clean, clean. Yesterday and today is the first she'd played with them and I'm still very careful to not let them share the same toys, food or drinks, wee wee pad etc. E.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Nancy, do you mind directing me to a thread that explains the above information? Teddy is due within a week for the distemper shot and he still has a "cough," that I hear once in a while. He got the cough after he received the bordatella vaccine about 3 weeks ago and I still hear it from time to time even after 10 days (the tenth day being yesterday) of amoxicillin. I will say this all to my vet on Tuesday/Wednesday when I see him, but I would like to know what answer a "good vet" would give so that I know what to do/expect.

See this is what happened with Brooklyn too. She had received the Kennel Cough vaccine and I was told by Susan that she had a cough due to that. It did clear up so when she told me what she did about Mia, this is why I trusted her. Brooklyn too had the cough for about ten days.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I explained that the vet was not our regular vet at the hospital. He was the one there at the time I called. I agree the shots should not have been given, however I do not think it caused her to be sick. She was sick, and in defense of him and again not condoning his giving the shots but in defense Mia did not appear to be terribly sick. She had a cough and she had ear infections but otherwise displayed being a normal puppy. She just wasn't combating it and at night she appeared to be worse then she had been. I have not brought her back to that vet. I have the two other vets that I use regularly and have used for 15 years taking care of her. I do agree she should not have been given the shots and did ask him about them prior but was assured they would be fine. Elaine

I think she read that. I think she means that she doesn't understand why a vet would vaccinate even if the dog appears only slightly sick. The first vet I went to also said to me that it was only a couple days before the distemper shot so we will go ahead and do it, along with the bordatella and lepto shot. The vet even said to me that lepto was prevalent in our area so I believed her. She was about to ALSO give him the rabies vaccine when I stopped her and told her my dog was not old enough for the vaccine. She then corrected herself and said that it was a clerical error and that the front office staff probably just wrote Teddy's age wrong. I believed her and I let her give my dog all those vaccines at once. I knew that the lepto vaccine was iffy but I read that if its prevalent in your area then the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the costs. Yeah well, the joke was on me because when I went to another vet they told me that they do not vaccinate for lepto because it is extremely uncommon even in our area and that he believes that the vaccine does more harm than good...so who knows what the right answer is? All I know is that ever since I went to the first vet my dog has been coughing and it hasn't stopped.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Nancy, do you mind directing me to a thread that explains the above information? Teddy is due within a week for the distemper shot and he still has a "cough," that I hear once in a while. He got the cough after he received the bordatella vaccine about 3 weeks ago and I still hear it from time to time even after 10 days (the tenth day being yesterday) of amoxicillin. I will say this all to my vet on Tuesday/Wednesday when I see him, but I would like to know what answer a "good vet" would give so that I know what to do/expect.

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[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I explained that the vet was not our regular vet at the hospital. He was the one there at the time I called. I agree the shots should not have been given, however I do not think it caused her to be sick. She was sick, and in defense of him and again not condoning his giving the shots but in defense Mia did not appear to be terribly sick. She had a cough and she had ear infections but otherwise displayed being a normal puppy. She just wasn't combating it and at night she appeared to be worse then she had been. I have not brought her back to that vet. I have the two other vets that I use regularly and have used for 15 years taking care of her. I do agree she should not have been given the shots and did ask him about them prior but was assured they would be fine. Elaine

I'm just saying that the shots together could have made a healthy dog sick, so it's like your story about how sick she is, goes out the window. I'm not saying she wasn't sick, I'm just saying that the proof of breeder responsibility for it goes out the window. I do blame her for not writing these things down and warning you about this, it was in Joey's contract. I don't know what the laws are there, but do dogs have to get rabies before 6 months? A cough is always a sign something is wrong, no rabies shot should ever be given with a cough. What does your regular vet say about all this? I guess what I'm saying is that shots are hard enough, you say Mia wasn't appearing terribly sick, and I'm saying you have to be sure a dog is well, when you give rabies, or any other shot, again remember with tinies, you have to be even more cautious about things like this.

I sound so cold and heartless, I'm praying little Mia will fight this and be giving you heck for a long time!

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I think she read that. I think she means that she doesn't understand why a vet would vaccinate even if the dog appears only slightly sick. The first vet I went to also said to me that it was only a couple days before the distemper shot so we will go ahead and do it, along with the bordatella and lepto shot. The vet even said to me that lepto was prevalent in our area so I believed her. She was about to ALSO give him the rabies vaccine when I stopped her and told her my dog was not old enough for the vaccine. She then corrected herself and said that it was a clerical error and that the front office staff probably just wrote Teddy's age wrong. I believed her and I let her give my dog all those vaccines at once. I knew that the lepto vaccine was iffy but I read that if its prevalent in your area then the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the costs. Yeah well, the joke was on me because when I went to another vet they told me that they do not vaccinate for lepto because it is extremely uncommon even in our area and that he believes that the vaccine does more harm than good...so who knows what the right answer is? All I know is that ever since I went to the first vet my dog has been coughing and it hasn't stopped.

I asked him about two shots at once too, because my other vet will not give multiple shots at once to a small dog because he said it's better to wait and have a two week period in between. However, this vet told me that the rabies had no side effects, that only the distemper did. I do not have a lot of vaccinations done with my dogs because I'm afraid of reactions etc. I only do what is required by law. I do not believe in all those vaccinations. I think they cause more harm then good and mine do not go outside much, just in our fenced yard and only with me. And, they are not around other animals. I'm sorry I let the vet give her the shots. I agree they should not have been done. I do not think they contributed to her being sick though and I spoke to the other vets about this as well. I will not take her back to the vet that gave them to her. I will continue to ONLY use these two as I have always done. It still does not negate the fact that Mia was sold sick though.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

See this is what happened with Brooklyn too. She had received the Kennel Cough vaccine and I was told by Susan that she had a cough due to that. It did clear up so when she told me what she did about Mia, this is why I trusted her. Brooklyn too had the cough for about ten days.

I did not know that the bordatella vaccine can cause coughing. I guess it makes sense, I just thought that it would clear up with antibiotics and it hasn't...I'm still upset with how everything worked out with the first vet that I'm quick to jump the gun and blame everything on her. I even told her what my breeder said about the lepto vaccine causing neurological problems in yorkies but she just shook her head dismissively and said that it was an issue in our area and to go ahead and vaccinate him if not he will die from lepto and that it is contagious and that he will very likely give it to me. I just have two different vets giving me two different opinions and I just wish this information was readily available, like statistics or something of lepto outbreaks throughout the United States as well as the probability that your dog will contract lepto given that they reside in the United States versus the probability that they will contract lepto given that they reside in different states, etc. I also wish the data was available on a yearly basis in order to make sure that there wasn't some kind of "freak" year where a bunch of lepto cases occurred that were out of the norm and do not hold true to the population average...

[roseylovestosho]

Thank you Nancy and Woogie for the information and thread. I will go ahead and read the thread before my vet visit. Thanks again.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm just saying that the shots together could have made a healthy dog sick, so it's like your story about how sick she is, goes out the window. I'm not saying she wasn't sick, I'm just saying that the proof of breeder responsibility for it goes out the window. I do blame her for not writing these things down and warning you about this, it was in Joey's contract. I don't know what the laws are there, but do dogs have to get rabies before 6 months? A cough is always a sign something is wrong, no rabies shot should ever be given with a cough. What does your regular vet say about all this? I guess what I'm saying is that shots are hard enough, you say Mia wasn't appearing terribly sick, and I'm saying you have to be sure a dog is well, when you give rabies, or any other shot, again remember with tinies, you have to be even more cautious about things like this.

I sound so cold and heartless, I'm praying little Mia will fight this and be giving you heck for a long time!

My other Yorkies have always had these two shots together and never a problem. IF they require any other shots, my vet will not do them ALL together. He makes me come back in two weeks for whatever else they need. I've never seen the rabies shot make a dog sick. I have seen reactions from a distemper shot. I mentioned this to the vet that gave them to her and he said there are no reactions to the rabies, only some get a reaction to the distemper so they are safe together even on Mia. The reaction to the distemper shot would be swelling around her face if she were allergic to it and if she has that to bring her back because they would have to give her something to counter act it. The other vet she is seeing said that the shots had nothing to do with her being sicker. I have to trust who I got to and although I do agree she should not have had the shots PERIOD, I do not agree that they made her worse. Since I've had her I've seen her really sick and then the next day look fine. The vet explained that since she is so tiny her body is having a hard time fighting it off. She is on vitamins, and also I had to give her gatorade with an eye dropper and her clavamox as well as the ear meds. I do feel we are in the right direction. The past two days she has been great with the exception of the cough which he said will linger for awhile. She is very playful the past two days. The shots should not have been given but it does not negate the fact she was sick when I got her.

I know Nancy where your heart is. You don't sound cold. You are concerned and I appreciate it.