In need of some cheering up

[BiewerBaby]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

My question to the breeder from Germany is this:
If you sent a pup or he did with only one testicle down did you not offer to pay to ship him back and refund all of his cost? That would be the proper thing to do.
After sending a dog with one testicle down you turn and send a dog with a bad bite, why? Would you not make certain that this dog had NO health issues?

The puppy had both testicles when was shipped and when he had been checked 2 weeks later from the vet what should have been done at least 2 days after the buyer got the dog one testicle was not there and i told the buyer to send the dog back , but she wanted to keep him longer and i told her i would not know if the breeder takes the dog back at a later time .

The problem was that the replacment puppy had a bad bite when the lady picked him up . If that had not been the chase we had no problem yet .
It was not that the dog was send with a bad bite to upset the buyer .
I really don't know how that could happen and why MJ made not 1000% sure that the bite is perfect . I think you should not send a puppy as a replacement for the puppy that was bought for show and breeding . Everyone know that this only will turn out in trouble .

The breeder offered to pay all the money back + the cost that the buyer had + the cost to ship them back .

[poosdarling]

Originally Posted by BiewerBaby

I want to add that if Jin had not send some really nasty and upsetting Emails i am sure we already had found a solution for the problem . We knew that never a puppy should have been shipped that had a bite if the buyer doesn't know about it and wants a dog for show and breeding . I know that is was not good. BUT to treat a person so bad that wants to help and find a solution for the problem , isn't right as well .

Of course the emails were nasty. They were only nasty because I knew at the end you were not going to do anything for me.

You said that in order to get a refund for the dogs I had to send the girl.
I asked you why? You gave me your lame answer .... package deal blah blah.

And I told you ... WHY would you want to put the dogs on such a long flight and pay $1000 shipping them back. When you can just give me the $2000 + the $1000 extra you were going to pay for shipping them back.

But no you were GREEDY and you wanted to only give me back $2,000. And you knew that because I was already attached to Remy and how I adored the little girl. You kept insisting you wanted to fly them ALL back or I get NOThING. But you know what .... I said I am not about to pay over $12,000 for ONE SHOW CAPABLE FEMALE.

So I agreed. Then you led me in circles again ... everyday you asked for pictures and more pictures. And then you ask me to meet a potential customer who wants to buy the girl.

Hmmm .... okay???? But WHAT ABOUT THE BOYS??!?!?!?!?! Oh .... you want to send me money after the girl is gone???? I don't think so ... you said all or nothing but now your trying to weasel your way into getting rid of the girl first.


Michael you are childish and I do not want to play your stupid games.

[BiewerBaby]

Originally Posted by poosdarling

So with Benji .... the moment I found out. I asked to return him AND i did not even ask for you to pay shipping. I asked for either a REPLACEMENT or a REFUND. But you said NO to both. But Why?????? I don't understand ... I am doing everything you mentioned I should have done last time.

You knew that his rabies shot needs to be at least 30 days old before he could enter germany ( shipped back to germany )
It is not true that we didn't wanted to replace Benji or send you a refund .

Originally Posted by poosdarling

Oh just keep him for 3 more months is all that you ask??? See if his bites corrects? And what if it doesn't???? You said then you will send me a $2,000 credit toward another pup and this time it would be perfect???

I only asked you to give me some time to find him a nice home . Refund or credit toward another puppy .

[poosdarling]

Originally Posted by BiewerBaby

The puppy had both testicles when was shipped and when he had been checked 2 weeks later from the vet what should have been done at least 2 days after the buyer got the dog one testicle was not there and i told the buyer to send the dog back , but she wanted to keep him longer and i told her i would not know if the breeder takes the dog back at a later time .

The problem was that the replacment puppy had a bad bite when the lady picked him up . If that had not been the chase we had no problem yet .
It was not that the dog was send with a bad bite to upset the buyer .
I really don't know how that could happen and why MJ made not 1000% sure that the bite is perfect . I think you should not send a puppy as a replacement for the puppy that was bought for show and breeding . Everyone know that this only will turn out in trouble .

The breeder offered to pay all the money back + the cost that the buyer had + the cost to ship them back .

Yea you supposedly offered but you never sent me the money. I went through a lot of trouble calling jet a pet and etc.

I even took them all for their shots and their passports were done. Everything was ready except your wire.

[poosdarling]

You knew that his rabies shot needs to be at least 30 days old before he could enter germany ( shipped back to germany )
It is not true that we didn't wanted to replace Benji or send you a refund .


Okay .... so if it is not true that you did not want to replace Benji or send me a refund. Why did you say NO to all my options????

I paid $4,500 for Remy .... And I paid $4,000 - $1,000 Credit for Benji.

All I ask for is that you REFUND me $3,000.

Now $7,500 (both pup) - $3,000 (i ask for) = you would still have MADE $4,500 for TWO pet boys. Which is more than enough for the going price.

And I told you in my last supposedly "mean" email. That if you refunded me the $3,000 I would be happy. And I would still be able to send you pictures of the babies like I use to.

But then you reply "WE ARE DONE, That's it"

Well doesn't sound like you are trying to work anything out to me???

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by BiewerBaby

The puppy had both testicles when was shipped and when he had been checked 2 weeks later from the vet what should have been done at least 2 days after the buyer got the dog one testicle was not there and i told the buyer to send the dog back , but she wanted to keep him longer and i told her i would not know if the breeder takes the dog back at a later time .

The problem was that the replacment puppy had a bad bite when the lady picked him up . If that had not been the chase we had no problem yet .
It was not that the dog was send with a bad bite to upset the buyer .
I really don't know how that could happen and why MJ made not 1000% sure that the bite is perfect . I think you should not send a puppy as a replacement for the puppy that was bought for show and breeding . Everyone know that this only will turn out in trouble .

The breeder offered to pay all the money back + the cost that the buyer had + the cost to ship them back .

First of all explain to me how a testicle is down then goes back up? Now the breeder is saying it will come back down?
Second the first pup had a problem, the second one has a different problem but a problem is a problem. If the vet is not finding these issues maybe MJ needs a different vet?
I am just saying as a breeder you should do the right thing. That should have been done in the first place. You go above and beyond with each and every sale. You make sure that #1 the pup is going to the best home possible for that particular pup. Some are a little shy and should be placed with someone to give them the time and socialization to come out of their shell. Some are very active and dominant and need proper active homes. Show prospects should be placed with someone with alot of knowledge in the breed and who intends to show and not just breed. But along with that you should be placing THE ABSOLUTE BEST there is with that person. Your name goes into the ring with that new owner/handler. So it behooves you to give it your best. You send substandard show prospects, actually you send pet quality dogs for show quality prices. If you or he did not want your name out there for bad dealings then you do everything to make it right, starting from the first dog you sent. You are right maybe you should not have sent a replacement pup, you should have sent all the money back and assured that the original pup was neutered. Then once that was done wait for the appropriate show prospect and go from there.
I do feel bad for these pups that will be sent across the seas once again. Not something that they should have to endure. But what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. If you are not producing show quality pups do not sell them as such. They are pets and their parents should be looked at carefully, because a bad bite is not something to look lightly at nor is a cryptorchid. Those parents at the least should never be bred together again. If these issues are happening again then the offending bitch or sire should be spayed/neutered and be a pet.

[BiewerBaby]

Originally Posted by poosdarling

And I told you in my last supposedly "mean" email. That if you refunded me the $3,000 I would be happy. And I would still be able to send you pictures of the babies like I use to.

You tried to blackmail me when you said you want the 3000 USD back or i am not going to see anymore pictures of the babies and that would post everything in the WWW .

I can't stand it when someone holds the pistol to someones head (?) .
It is not the money which makes me upset .....it is not even my money ....it is the way you treated me that made me upset because i think i can say from myself that i always treated you like a human and with respect .

[poosdarling]

Originally Posted by BiewerBaby

You tried to blackmail me when you said you want the 3000 USD back or i am not going to see anymore pictures of the babies and that would post everything in the WWW .

I can't stand it when someone holds the pistol to someones head (?) .
It is not the money which makes me upset .....it is not even my money ....it is the way you treated me that made me upset because i think i can say from myself that i always treated you like a human and with respect .

Oh then maybe I should have continued to say things nicely like I did for the last 8 months you wasted for me?

Look ... all I wanted at the end was for you to refund the proper amount to make the dogs "pet price". Yes we agreed that Remy's problem was fixed with the $1,000 credit + girl .... but you have to understand that you were also supose to deliver me a show boy as well.

Because at the end you did not deliver the show boy. I expect both puppies to be properly refunded into PET PRICE. Now if you did deliver a show boy I wouldn't be complaining that I just spend too much for a pet quality male. Because at the end you would have handed me a show female and a show male. But you did not.

I am extremely disappointed in the way things turned out. And I feel that I am entitled the right to tell my story so that in the future other buyers do not make the SAME mistake I did.

A lot of people told me I was stupid to send you more money after the first bad dog. And yes they are right. I only did it because I believed that Remy's testicle was somewhat in no ones control. And I really did believe it would drop like you said.

But with Benji .... I knew that his bite will not fix. From all the breeders and judges I spoke to. They never once told me that an underbite fixed itself. You sold one of your males to a show/breed home. He had a SLIGHT underbite that was not nearly as bad as Benji's. To this day his bite is still somewhat imperfect, it was perfect enough to show because only two upper teeth were slightly placed behind his lower. But the breeder told me when she got her pup from you it did not look as bad as Benji's.

You said I rushed things. Of course! Why would you blame me???? With Remy we took it nice and slow and look where it got us? Sometimes I wonder if you would have even took Remy back if at the time I said no I would not wait.

I have the right to tell my story. And if I have to I will file a ripoff report and anywhere that will allow me to file the report. I will make every effort to make sure that this story is searchable through google. I kid you not. I am very mad and disappointed.

After I have made my story public. I received numerous emails from your other victims giving me their condolences. So now I know I am not the first one. And I have learned other things about you. But it is not in my position to say. I just wonder why everyone told me your dogs were beautiful but not warn me about the other things. I guess perhaps no one wanted to step up and let it be known.

[rik20101]

Now, I have not been around long.....but.....you said you got these pups at 2-3 months old? (Your first post said he wouldn't take Remy back "Because a 5-6 month old puppy is just not worth as much as a 2-3 month old puppy")

What I have learned is that you cannot predict show quality at that young of an age. So, IMO, this may not be the best person to purchase 'show quality' pups from anyway.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by rik20101

Now, I have not been around long.....but.....you said you got these pups at 2-3 months old? (Your first post said he wouldn't take Remy back "Because a 5-6 month old puppy is just not worth as much as a 2-3 month old puppy")

What I have learned is that you cannot predict show quality at that young of an age. So, IMO, this may not be the best person to purchase 'show quality' pups from anyway.

But it also reinforces the point that one should never buy a dog, whether pet or show prospect, without seeing the dog in person.

To the OP, I'm sorry you had to learn such an expensive lesson. But thank you for sharing the story. Hopefully it will help someone else.

[Elle]

Originally Posted by cally930

Wow - what a disheartening story. Do you not want people to know who this breeder is because you never stated him by name? Shouldn't people be aware so that they would consider your story before purchasing a puppy from this breeder? You did show a lot of class - but aren't you being too nice not naming him? And it is being intended that this was a YTCA breeder also? Wow!! You really cannot trust anyone. This is a place where people come to because of the standards they uphold and, I believe, have a reputation to uphold as well - shouldn't they be made aware of this also?

Not sure where you got that the breeder was a YTCA member?? It looks very clear to me that its overseas!

[ClaudeBisson]

When we sell a Biewer we provide a video of the puppy via YouTube or live feed using our web camera via MSN. This way the client can see exactly what the puppy looks like.

We also provide a very extensive vet check list and a bile acid test. And of course our normal health guarantee.

In reading the entire post, I can see that there has been some miscommunications between both parties. It's like the old saying goes "there is his side, her side and the truth is somewhere in between"

Hope you can work it out amicably even after all of this turmoil.

[cally930]

Originally Posted by Elle

Not sure where you got that the breeder was a YTCA member?? It looks very clear to me that its overseas!

I jumped the gun and made an assumption based on Post #2. Well, I guess that made an a$$ out of me - Sorry for the misunderstanding

[poosdarling]

Originally Posted by ClaudeBisson

When we sell a Biewer we provide a video of the puppy via YouTube or live feed using our web camera via MSN. This way the client can see exactly what the puppy looks like.

We also provide a very extensive vet check list and a bile acid test. And of course our normal health guarantee.

In reading the entire post, I can see that there has been some miscommunications between both parties. It's like the old saying goes "there is his side, her side and the truth is somewhere in between"

Hope you can work it out amicably even after all of this turmoil.

I totally agree with you on that quote.

I would also like to just take the time to just update everyone on the situation. Since "our" last posts, I have contacted Marianne, the original breeder and we are in the process of working things out. I have to say that I am quite confident that we can all come to compromise on the situation with Benji. Marianne sounds like a very sweet lady and I look foward into resolving the problem with her personally.

I also would like to make a note, that I have not spoken to Michael since these posts. But I do see that he is still trying to help us sell Benji as per Marianne has said.

I promise to update once we make more progress.

[bran]

If you cant get it fixed then please know you only have 2 years to do anything about this thur the court system. If all else fails.

Originally Posted by poosdarling

I totally agree with you on that quote.

I would also like to just take the time to just update everyone on the situation. Since "our" last posts, I have contacted Marianne, the original breeder and we are in the process of working things out. I have to say that I am quite confident that we can all come to compromise on the situation with Benji. Marianne sounds like a very sweet lady and I look foward into resolving the problem with her personally.

I also would like to make a note, that I have not spoken to Michael since these posts. But I do see that he is still trying to help us sell Benji as per Marianne has said.

I promise to update once we make more progress.