FYI - Dee's Lil' Yorkshire Terriers

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Disney

Also, I like to say thank you for bringing this to attention. I was one of those person who believe if you long time member of YT, you must be reputable breeder. It's important to research your breeder before you buy, no matter what website they belong too!

Glad you learned otherwise.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Not anymore.

It'll be back, given time.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Thanks so much Disney, it is people like you who will and want do the research that need to be aware. I wish you the best of luck in your journey!

Thanks you so much!

[Doodlebop]

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

You don't know what you are talking about. You have a lot of nerve. How in the crap do you know Renee didn't talk to her vet? Seriously, where did you come from? BYE BYE!!

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

Excuse me, that was totally uncalled for. If she chose to post that information as an explanation for why things were the way they was with Renee, I have every right to question why she's breeding. I have no obligation to fall for her pity party. As other have stated, that money not hers. It her dogs.

It is 'people like me' who do NOT support dodgy breeders!

[Doodlebop]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

You don't know what you are talking about. You have a lot of nerve. How in the crap do you know Renee didn't talk to her vet? Seriously, where did you come from? BYE BYE!!

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

Wow, it just amazes me that all these people come on and they don't know Dee but they can say a lot about her.

You can blame who you want but I have no problem with having any blame placed on me.

I have taken responsibility for my actions in this situation. Again, another one who misses the point to the whole thread.

The breeder was dishonest with me period

The difference between me and her is I have done the right thing by Jazzy.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

You dont get it. Nothing can be settled. Not now, or ever. It is not about money. The fact is, she lied and with held information about her lines. What is so hard about that? Pretty sure this thread was JUST started because Dee just returned to Yorkie Talk after leaving when all this happened. So, obviously, Renee would feel the need to let people know. That is her right!

[rbelland]

[QUOTE=Doodlebop;3183745]Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?[/QUOTE]

It would have been done a year ago. But after learning as much as I have in that year about Dee and her breeding program I am glad I waited.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

In Renee's defense, Renee chose not to bring this up until now because she wanted Dee back on the forum. Yes, Dee resigned her membership when this brought to the surface back in November. She feared retribution at that time. I commend Renee for waiting until Dee produced another litter out of that same dog, after she told her she would spay the bitch and take her out of her breeding program.

You say Dee is new to breeding, however, shouldn't be breeding at all if she doesn't understand or know about genetics. However, she states she knows quite a bit as her husband has been breeding for 40 years.

It's not 1 open fontanel but, 4 with present in a grand pup......She has claimed they all closed and today she admitted that it has not.....

Renee has already admitted she is responsible for her part in not doing the research. But, we all know it is the responsibility of the seller to reveal all. One should not have to dig out the breeder. One would expect if a question is asked the truth be provided and the buyer have the choice to say no. However, there are those breeders that always attempt to present themselves as something they are not in attempts to fool the unsuspecting public. All these things make up a disreputable breeder.

Renee was not offerred payments she was offerred a puppy back, Renee refused because the trust was already lost.....

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

She is a great dog. A great dog with LP. Diagnosed before I got her and my vet confirmed in January. Something else I wasnt planning on mentioning but you people need to Shut your trap when it doesn't involve you.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

In Renee's defense, Renee chose not to bring this up until now because she wanted Dee back on the forum. Yes, Dee resigned her membership when this brought to the surface back in November. She feared retribution at that time. I commend Renee for waiting until Dee produced another litter out of that same dog, after she told her she would spay the bitch and take her out of her breeding program.

You say Dee is new to breeding, however, shouldn't be breeding at all if she doesn't understand or know about genetics. However, she states she knows quite a bit as her husband has been breeding for 40 years.

It's not 1 open fontanel but, 4 with present in a grand pup......She has claimed they all closed and today she admitted that it has not.....

Renee has already admitted she is responsible for her part in not doing the research. But, we all know it is the responsibility of the seller to reveal all. One should not have to dig out the breeder. One would expect if a question is asked the truth be provided and the buyer have the choice to say no. However, there are those breeders that always attempt to present themselves as something they are not in attempts to fool the unsuspecting public. All these things make up a disreputable breeder.

Renee was not offerred payments she was offerred a puppy back, Renee refused because the trust was already lost.....

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

Just thought it was worth mentioning that if there have been 40 dogs over say the last 4 years (I've been here over 3 years and I know Dee was here before me) and lets assume $1500/pup would equal out to about $15,000 per year now subtract vet fees, whelping supplies, dog food etc. Well, can we all agree that it is hardly a rich man's wage? And if she has sold over 25 dogs on here and none of them are defending her, isn't is also true that if she were doing such a bad job, wouldn't there be more people willing to post their bad experiences? Maybe most people are silent as they are afraid they will be attacked themselves. Personally I don't know Dee, never spoken to her and I don't think I've even ever PM'd her. I just think there are always 2 sides to every story and Dee did offer to refund her, I'm not sure what else anyone expects? Is it not possible that she just made a mistake? Aren't we all human? Or has no one else here ever made any mistakes.....
Ducking now......

You don't seem to be getting IT either. It's not about the money. It's the fact that the breeder LIED.

Once someone lies to me, I feel I can no longer believe anything they say. Eventhough some of what they say might be true, how do I know for sure what is the truth and what is a lie.

It's about honesty and ethics, not about the money.

[Doodlebop]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

In Renee's defense, Renee chose not to bring this up until now because she wanted Dee back on the forum. Yes, Dee resigned her membership when this brought to the surface back in November. She feared retribution at that time. I commend Renee for waiting until Dee produced another litter out of that same dog, after she told her she would spay the bitch and take her out of her breeding program.

You say Dee is new to breeding, however, shouldn't be breeding at all if she doesn't understand or know about genetics. However, she states she knows quite a bit as her husband has been breeding for 40 years.

It's not 1 open fontanel but, 4 with present in a grand pup......She has claimed they all closed and today she admitted that it has not.....

Renee has already admitted she is responsible for her part in not doing the research. But, we all know it is the responsibility of the seller to reveal all. One should not have to dig out the breeder. One would expect if a question is asked the truth be provided and the buyer have the choice to say no. However, there are those breeders that always attempt to present themselves as something they are not in attempts to fool the unsuspecting public. All these things make up a disreputable breeder.

Renee was not offerred payments she was offerred a puppy back, Renee refused because the trust was already lost.....

In post # 15 Renee states that Dee offered her money back, but could not get it immediatly. In # 9 she stated she was going to replace her with a puppy and she had refused and had told her not to contact her anymore.

I just wanted to get that out there. Mardelin you are right. Dee should have been more knowledgeable about her own lines, and people should know more about genetics. I see why she did not want another puppy, but she she should have taken the money.

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Baxters mom, It is unneccessary to be nasty on this site. You are opening another can of worms intentionally bashing this dog that you love so much trying to hurt the breeder, Why?

You got a great deal and a great dog without any of the suffering.

Renee you did what you felt was right by spaying and placing this dog. I do not agree with your post only because of #9 and # 15. She did mess up, you were inconvenienced, but she did try to make it right. You openly refused. When one does make a mistake and they try to make it right, you can't erase the mistake only try to make up for it.