FYI - Dee's Lil' Yorkshire Terriers

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

If Renee learned of the open font, in the line, from other people, before contfactibng Dee, then surely Dee also had knowledge of it. So when Renee asked about having any other open fonts in the line, the responsible thing to do would have been to answer YES.

The really responsible thing, would have been for Dee to contact Renee, and tell her about it as soon as she found out.

[shamrocks]

I feel that the lesson that can be learned from this is that if you are a breeder then you should disclose all that you know about your line even if you think it maybe insignificant, and if you are looking to buy a dog take your time and research as much as you can get references and talk to their vet. I do not anything about the OP or the breeder so I will just read this thread and glean any knowledge that I can.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

In post # 15 Renee states that Dee offered her money back, but could not get it immediatly. In # 9 she stated she was going to replace her with a puppy and she had refused and had told her not to contact her anymore.

I just wanted to get that out there. Mardelin you are right. Dee should have been more knowledgeable about her own lines, and people should know more about genetics. I see why she did not want another puppy, but she she should have taken the money.

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Baxters mom, It is unneccessary to be nasty on this site. You are opening another can of worms intentionally bashing this dog that you love so much trying to hurt the breeder, Why?

You got a great deal and a great dog without any of the suffering.

THE BOTTOM LINE.....She was not honest in disclosing problems in the lines. Period. End of Subject.


Renee you did what you felt was right by spaying and placing this dog. I do not agree with your post only because of #9 and # 15. She did mess up, you were inconvenienced, but she did try to make it right. You openly refused. When one does make a mistake and they try to make it right, you can't erase the mistake only try to make up for it.

Nasty? Why because I called you out. I think I have more to do with this than you! Bashing my dog?! Why? By stating a FACT, that she has LP which I was told was more than likely genetic since diagnosed at such an early age. Sorry you were offended but I was offended by you as well. I love Jazzy. I am committed to her and more than likely she will have to have knee surgery at some point in her life. So for you to say I am bashing her is ridiculous. If I didn't love her I wouldnt have taken her.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

I feel that the lesson that can be learned from this is that if you are a breeder then you should disclose all that you know about your line even if you think it maybe insignificant, and if you are looking to buy a dog take your time and research as much as you can get references and talk to their vet. I do not anything about the OP or the breeder so I will just read this thread and glean any knowledge that I can.

[rbelland]

FYI - Dee stated she would give me a refund. I could send Jazzy back or keep her and we were to work out a price. I asked Dee for a good faith deposit of $300.00. She finally withdrew the offer because she said she had no money. She told me I was backing her in a corner and she really did not have to do anything at all (per her contract).

We then discussed a pup from different lines. Thought for a bit and thought that would be ok. Then decided I wanted no part of another puppy from her due to her being dishonest. So I asked her not to contact me again.

Again, I am mearly stating facts as those who think they know everything about this situation do not.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

You too seem to miss the point. The point is the breeder flat out lied about knowing about the open font.

Ethical breeders do not lie about things like that.

[Doodlebop]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

Nasty? Why because I called you out. I think I have more to do with this than you! Bashing my dog?! Why? By stating a FACT, that she has LP which I was told was more than likely genetic since diagnosed at such an early age. Sorry you were offended but I was offended by you as well. I love Jazzy. I am committed to her and more than likely she will have to have knee surgery at some point in her life. So for you to say I am bashing her is ridiculous. If I didn't love her I wouldnt have taken her.

Called me out? What are you talking about. I am just stating the fact that is #9 and # 15 Dee tried to make up for a mistake.
I am not offended at all.
If you took a dog knowing it had LP than fix it, if it is a 3-4 do it now, the earlier the better. The recovery will go better the younger she is.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

It could have been prevented entirely, had she just told the truth when asked the question..

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

Called me out? What are you talking about. I am just stating the fact that is #9 and # 15 Dee tried to make up for a mistake.
I am not offended at all.
If you took a dog knowing it had LP than fix it, if it is a 3-4 do it now, the earlier the better. The recovery will go better the younger she is.

Thanks, I think I know what to do.

[Doodlebop]

Originally Posted by rbelland

FYI - Dee stated she would give me a refund. I could send Jazzy back or keep her and we were to work out a price. I asked Dee for a good faith deposit of $300.00. She finally withdrew the offer because she said she had no money. She told me I was backing her in a corner and she really did not have to do anything at all (per her contract).

We then discussed a pup from different lines. Thought for a bit and thought that would be ok. Then decided I wanted no part of another puppy from her due to her being dishonest. So I asked her not to contact me again.

Again, I am mearly stating facts as those who think they know everything about this situation do not.

In # 15 it was not stated the offer was retracted, so this is new to all of us.

You are right, Those who think they know everything about this situation do not, that is exactly why this should be settled between you and Dee, not You, Dee, and everyone who wants to read a gossip column.

No one can know but you and Dee.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It could have been prevented entirely, had she just told the truth when asked the question..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Dee had no right selling any breeding dogs at all. Her breeding stock was unknown and unproven....she had no idea of their background.

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

In # 15 it was not stated the offer was retracted, so this is new to all of us.

You are right, Those who think they know everything about this situation do not, that is exactly why this should be settled between you and Dee, not You, Dee, and everyone who wants to read a gossip column.

No one can know but you and Dee.

Ok Doodlepoo, if you would like me to forward the e-mails to you or anyone here just let me know. This way you can keep going.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Doodlebop

In # 15 it was not stated the offer was retracted, so this is new to all of us.

You are right, Those who think they know everything about this situation do not, that is exactly why this should be settled between you and Dee, not You, Dee, and everyone who wants to read a gossip column.

No one can know but you and Dee.

It was attempted to be settled. Dee blocked Renee's e-mail. Renee did not want to deal with her anymore as she didn't trust her.

I'm a firm believer that if there is a problem you should settle it with your breeder. I expect my clients to come to me, however if I don't stand behind my breeding I deserve to be blasted all over kingdome come.....it would make me a disreputable breeder.

Renee took the right steps, now she wanted to educate people on what not to do and point out that to be a good breeder, you must have integrity and ethics and honesty.

[Doodlebop]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Ok Doodlepoo, if you would like me to forward the e-mails to you or anyone here just let me know. This way you can keep going.

Why? Why forward any e-mails to anyone? If you would have put this much effort in your research before buying, then we all wouldn't be enjoying this entertaining thread this evening!

What we can learn from this is don't take anyones word for anything. You don't just trust a stranger for any reason. As Mardelin says, Her stock was untested and unproven, so why choose her? Because it was convenient, cheap, impulsive,who know or cares for that matter. Someone contacted you just to give you this terrific information from the goodness of their heart, do you think it was because they cared about your breeding program? Or for you for that matter? As an upcoming breeder in this tough world don't be so naive. The person who contacted you is enjoying this, but dont' ever think it was because they cared about you. It was personal.