FYI - Dee's Lil' Yorkshire Terriers

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Yes, I believe the mistake I made was trusting Dee and purchasing Jazzy.

How would you like for someone to make that mistake with you? Your a breeder right? Don't you belong to another breeder forum?

Yes, we are all human. We as breeders are responsible for puppies we produce. When placing a puppy in another breeders program that breeder needs to be aware of any faults and pass the info on. Dee never informed me of any prior open fonts in her line. And she had no intention of telling me at all until I told her I knew about them.

I will be glad to forward any e-mails between myself and Dee.

Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

agreed, personally I don't think you can really make money breeding dogs (well maybe puppy mills) but certainly not with the 40 dogs in 4 years but I want to clarify that I don't know that number is correct, I'm just throwing certain assumptions out there. I also have never seen Dee say breeding a 10month old dog is good, but then I haven't really checked either. Has she said so? If so, I'm very disappointed. And since I'm an accountant by trade, if your mentor produced 100 champions in 40 years, I'm assuming she must have produced a whole lot more than 100 dogs to get those champions? Here I go with my assuming again... lets say most litters have 4 dogs just to make the math easy. I don't really know myself but most of the show breeders say they "hope" to have one good dog to show from the litter and lets assume she did and also assume she also finished each of those, based on that, would it not mean that your mentor has produced something in the neighborhood of 400 dogs total to get those 100 champions? Now 400 dogs in 40 years totals 10 dogs per year. If Dee has produced 40 dogs in 4 years, isn't that also 10 dogs per year? Again, lots of assumptions on my part but just playing devils advocate....

The # of dogs were brought out for various issues. One was Dee's inability or reluctance to refund, yes refund Renee's money.

However, in the comparison of my mentor to this particular breeder, well there is no comparison. My mentor breeds to improve the breed and always stands behind her breeding. All of her money does go back into her breeding, whether it be for medical care, food, and/or showing. Yes, she may have produced quite a few dogs over the years, but her breeding program is a bit larger breeding as most breeders of her caliber and doesn't over breed any female. Not so with the this breeder.

[rbelland]

I appreciate everyone who has posted and commented.
This thread was to let folks know my experience with this breeder. In hopes that those reading could gain some knowledge about this breeder.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

As you said you've not been around very long and a lot of us know more about what has gone on and have not said anything.

This problem was brought to Dee's attention over a year ago and only now, that it has been made public has she really attempted any restitution. Again, the whole purpose of this thread is not about money but, honesty and integrity......Renee' was lied too from the beginning.....

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

Correction - Dee was aware of Thang 1's open font. Who was prior to Jazzy.

You are missing the whole POINT!!! I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. Dee has been dishonest with me from the start. What part of that don't you get?

As far as Dee taking the female out of her breeding program? When did she do that? June 27, 2010 the same day she just had her current litter.

For someone who has not even PM'ed Dee, you know an awful lot about her breeding program.

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Correction - Dee was aware of Thang 1's open font. Who was prior to Jazzy.

You are missing the whole POINT!!! I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. Dee has been dishonest with me from the start. What part of that don't you get?

As far as Dee taking the female out of her breeding program? When did she do that? June 27, 2010 the same day she just had her current litter.

For someone who has not even PM'ed Dee, you know an awful lot about her breeding program.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me? Now I'm lying too? Exactly what do I know about Dee's breeding program? That she took her female out of her breeding program? it's mentioned in this thread. And you know more than me apparently as I had no idea it was June 27th 2010....

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me? Now I'm lying too? Exactly what do I know about Dee's breeding program? That she took her female out of her breeding program? it's mentioned in this thread. And you know more than me apparently as I had no idea it was June 27th 2010....

Not attacking just making you a bit more aware. I really think Dee should come speak for herself.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me? Now I'm lying too? Exactly what do I know about Dee's breeding program? That she took her female out of her breeding program? it's mentioned in this thread. And you know more than me apparently as I had no idea it was June 27th 2010....

Ah! But, do you see another mistruth.....she's still breeding the same female, the female just wheped puppies on the 27th. That's on her website for the world to see.

[jackson25]

Originally Posted by rbelland

Correction - Dee was aware of Thang 1's open font. Who was prior to Jazzy.

You are missing the whole POINT!!! I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. Dee has been dishonest with me from the start. What part of that don't you get?

As far as Dee taking the female out of her breeding program? When did she do that? June 27, 2010 the same day she just had her current litter.
For someone who has not even PM'ed Dee, you know an awful lot about her breeding program.

For one to put truth behind what is highlighted....one would have to ask Dee themselves....Dee's website, as of today, has all the photo's and Nursery info deleted....

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ah! But, do you see another mistruth.....she's still breeding the same female, the female just wheped puppies on the 27th. That's on her website for the world to see.

Actually Mary there is nothing on her website anymore. ??

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ah! But, do you see another mistruth.....she's still breeding the same female, the female just wheped puppies on the 27th. That's on her website for the world to see.

Not anymore.

[kalina82]

Renee thank you for bring this situation public. It is very helpful for people looking to purchase a puppy from breeders on YT.

[Disney]

Why would you delete unless sign of guilt.

[Disney]

Also, I like to say thank you for bringing this to attention. I was one of those person who believe if you long time member of YT, you must be reputable breeder. It's important to research your breeder before you buy, no matter what website they belong too!

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Disney

Also, I like to say thank you for bringing this to attention. I was one of those person who believe if you long time member of YT, you must be reputable breeder. It's important to research your breeder before you buy, no matter what website they belong too!

Thanks so much Disney, it is people like you who will and want do the research that need to be aware. I wish you the best of luck in your journey!