Beware of new yt member birdhouseranch

[Mom to Hot Rod]

What is important is that the health of the dogs/mommas and puppies come first. How a breeder/person takes care of them shows their true colors.

Bumping this up.

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

no she did not violate the rules of the board. Her only mistake was in posting in this section rather than the breeder review forum. That's where it should have gone but it is not a violation. Also, it is just amazing that people join this board and make one glowing report on breeders that get in trouble. I bet your "dear friend that called" was the breeder in question. As far as you being proof, we don't usually pay attention to one post wonders when it is obvious they only came to defend "their friend". get a few posts under your belt like 500 or so, then you might be a credible witness.

It makes me nut's when a thread is started and whalla, like magic,
the recepient appear's with witness to boot! Happen's everytime.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

no she did not violate the rules of the board. Her only mistake was in posting in this section rather than the breeder review forum. That's where it should have gone but it is not a violation. Also, it is just amazing that people join this board and make one glowing report on breeders that get in trouble. I bet your "dear friend that called" was the breeder in question. As far as you being proof, we don't usually pay attention to one post wonders when it is obvious they only came to defend "their friend". get a few posts under your belt like 500 or so, then you might be a credible witness.

I love this statement,

[DaisyMaesMama]

It's very interesting.... I just tried to access her site and Now her site is blocked from going into the links past the front page!!!

Seems to me that she is attempting to hide something

~Kathy

[Yorkshires4Me]

I think you began at post number ONE. I am no one post wonder. I am merely explaining to whomever reads this that I have bought from birdhouse Ranch. You asked her for proof. I am proof that my puppies now dogs are FINE. Are you all so gullable that you believe anything one poster with 500 posts says? If so - hey I'm on number 3 I'm well on my way! LOL

All joking aside. She did violate the rules of this community. I encourage anyone to go to the top and read the FAQ section.

Here are a few general YorkieTalk forum guidelines:

1. Please be civil and do not personally attack anyone or their opinions. If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way. Or you can choose to ignore their post altogether.

2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.


And YES, its amazing that someone joins in to tell their side of the story 1 post or 500 - I am absolutely appalled by your lack of sensitivity towards people in general. I joined this board because I have witnessed first hand what Birdhouse Ranch has to offer. Amanda350 hasn't portrayed it properly. As for Birdhouse Ranch - I'm sure her attorney will advise her to not to post here in the interim.

[TyraandMrJ]

Originally Posted by Yorkshires4Me

I think you began at post number ONE. I am no one post wonder. I am merely explaining to whomever reads this that I have bought from birdhouse Ranch. You asked her for proof. I am proof that my puppies now dogs are FINE. Are you all so gullable that you believe anything one poster with 500 posts says? If so - hey I'm on number 3 I'm well on my way! LOL

All joking aside. She did violate the rules of this community. I encourage anyone to go to the top and read the FAQ section.

Here are a few general YorkieTalk forum guidelines:

1. Please be civil and do not personally attack anyone or their opinions. If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way. Or you can choose to ignore their post altogether.

2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.


And YES, its amazing that someone joins in to tell their side of the story 1 post or 500 - I am absolutely appalled by your lack of sensitivity towards people in general. I joined this board because I have witnessed first hand what Birdhouse Ranch has to offer. Amanda350 hasn't portrayed it properly. As for Birdhouse Ranch - I'm sure her attorney will advise her to not to post here in the interim.

I pointed out things that are public information posted on her site. AGAIN Birdhouse Ranch or Yorkieshiresforme. Do not contact me. At first I was willing to say could have been a mistake. NOW I do believe the points I've pointed out. QUACK DUCK!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BirdhouseRanch

NOT ONE THING THAT THIS PERSON HAS SAID IS TRUE!
Not one. and I have the facts to prove it. I do not know what her problem is but all that she has wrote is an absolute LIE! I really feel sorry for people that have nothing better to do then trash someone else only to vindicate themselves!

Originally Posted by megansmomma

As there are 2 sides to every story I would like to see your proof that you are a reputable breeders. YT is a very tight community of Yorkie lovers and we take the care of our pups very seriously. We try to get the word out about good and bad breeders, so if you have information that you would like to share with all of us please feel free.

So I have to say that within minutes of posting the above I too received a PM from Birdhouse. That was yesterday and if anyone is wondering she has PMed me about 6 times since then and not once has she been able to show the "proof" that this is all a lie. She did ask me to call her because the "story is too long" well to me that sounds like she has a bunch of excuses as to what "really happened" and in my book it just doesn't fly.

Truthfully, I was kind of thinking all of this might be bad blood between two breeders what as far as I can see that does not seem to be the case. I have never gone to a breeder to purchase a yorkie because I believe in rescue and that is where all of mine have come from to date.

Having a few of your friends pop in and post that you are good really doesn't cut it IMO. We have all seen this before and it just doesn't work. Now I have also seen the opposite of this happening when long standing member with a good reputaiton is badmouth by a new member and that didn't work well either because they had already established their reputation prior to being accused or bached. I believe when you come to a public forum you need to built a reputation as an honest person as I believe I have always staying true to what you believe. I also believe that I have shown myself as a reputable member of this board with almost 2,000 and a member for over 2 years. To get a few of your friend to join your battle without further addressing the real issue just further makes your case weaker in the eyes of this forum.

[ambernicole21]

I would think they would want to come and defend theirselves but I guess not

[amanda350]

Ok first of all.....I am in no way intimidated by attorney talk or slander crap..I am married to a cop and know the law really well... I noticed that she and her friend are pming everyone but me...As for her friend...If you CALL me EVER AGAIN it will be considered harrassment...And I will quickly take legal action as again, I know the law...I have been in Lynn's NASTY, filthy, rat infested home more than once....I found her ad in the paper and actually called her several yrs ago before I got my first yorkie Tucker.. I went to her home and was appalled by the condition of her lifeless puppies and her horrible home.......I ran as fast as I could to get away....Then here I am a few yrs later in the vet's office with a surprise pregnancy of Kallie's and in walks this familiar woman that I immediately recognized as Lynn, the horrible breeder that I had met...She sat down beside me and started talking to me about her Yorkies as she could see that I had one...Then she tells me the story about prissy and how her mother had been killed by the pack 2 weeks before and that Prissy almost died giving birth and that she was upset that Dr. Brunner had to spay her...I knew what kind of place Lynn had so I pretended to be intrested in buying her since Lynn said she was going to find her a new home.. I knew that she would ask alot of money for her and people would come and see her filth and walk away and every day that they walked away was another day that Prissy was at risk...So I gave her my number and she left...She called the next day and said she wanted to sell her for $450 so I said yes and went and saved her.. Picking Prissy up was the second time that I had been in Lynn's home...It was still as filthy as ever....All of her dogs are kept outside on a big deck and as I was leaving they all came running down the stairs and they were filthy, matted and had rotten teeth...You could smell the urine from their coats...Again, I pretended nothing was wrong and she was nice and she showed me her HUGE like 15 pound Parti boy that she was breeding...Again, nothing a reputable breeder would do...So I IMMEDIATELY took Prissy to the vet who said that she had an infection in her incision and I showed him the medicine that she gave me and it was not cold..He said that she was supposed to refrigerate it and that since she didn't, it was ruined...He then checked her ears and said she was infested with mites and that he had told Lynn about it when he spayed her and she chose not to believe that's what it was and decided not to treat her...So I got medicine for that as well and brought her home, bathed her, got rid of her fleas and the rest is history...Then the Dr's tech told me that Lynn had some Parti's available as she knew I was interested in getting a Biewer and she did not realize they were different..I pretended to be interested in them and called Lynn to go and see them... I wanted to give her one last chance and see if she had changed things before I compalined to the AKC and called animal control on her...When I got there, things were the same... I told her that I was looking at a female from Bentley's breeder and I would call her and tell her which one I chose..I ofcoarse never called her.... I made my complaints.. AKC told me that they had noone to do an inspection in my area and wanted me to call Tn Department of Agriculture... I did and a man wanted me to do an undercover op and get him video and write a letter with details... How the heck was I supposed to get video...He said without video, it was a waste of his time...So my final complaint was to Wilson County Animal Control who said that they do not have a cruelty division, they only handle vicious animal calls....They said call the police and I did and they said they only handle vicious animal calls as well....It was a dead end and so I left it alone...I heard from a tech that no longer works at the vet, that Lynn came in with a litter of puppies and met a woman at the vet that was going to buy one..The dr looked at the puppies and said they were ok except ear mites, the woman paid for her 6 wks old puppy and left and as soon as she drove off, Lynn says, oh yeah, I have a half dead puppy in the truck, let me go get it....I have many more stories from that I could tell but my hands are tired....Lynn is a bad breeder only in it for the money...Her prices have more than doubled because she now ships her puppies and people will pay that much...Her website is VERY misleading.....Now in all of this, I still found Lynn to be easy to talk to and a nice person in general...She seems to like to talk Yorkies and will come across as someone that really cares but to me, it is all in the action....not in the words... Seeing Prissy aka Bella's condition was enough to prove to me what kind of breeder she is... Last but not least, I am in no way trying to vindicate myself as she stated... I had one litter last yr and Kallie is due in 8 days with her second litter.... She is my only female and there are a few YT members who have been in my home and have seen how I love and spoil my babies...There are also 2 YT members that have puppies from Kallie's litter last yr and they are very happy healthy dogs... I do not need to try and bash someone else in order to eliminate competition as Lynn and I have 2 completely different ideas of good homes for our puppies...I actually care what the future holds for my babies and it is very important to me that I place happy healthy puppies....To bad she doesn't feel the same way....

[LunasMomma]

Amanda, you are very brave to come out and tell what you know about this breeder. You probably saved a member or two here a lot of heartache.

Oh, and Admin can trace the IP of posters to see if it's the same. It's against the TOS to have more than one account.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by amanda350

Ok first of all.....I am in no way intimidated by attorney talk or slander crap..I am married to a cop and know the law really well... I noticed that she and her friend are pming everyone but me...As for her friend...If you CALL me EVER AGAIN it will be considered harrassment...And I will quickly take legal action as again, I know the law...I have been in Lynn's NASTY, filthy, rat infested home more than once....I found her ad in the paper and actually called her several yrs ago before I got my first yorkie Tucker.. I went to her home and was appalled by the condition of her lifeless puppies and her horrible home.......I ran as fast as I could to get away....Then here I am a few yrs later in the vet's office with a surprise pregnancy of Kallie's and in walks this familiar woman that I immediately recognized as Lynn, the horrible breeder that I had met...She sat down beside me and started talking to me about her Yorkies as she could see that I had one...Then she tells me the story about prissy and how her mother had been killed by the pack 2 weeks before and that Prissy almost died giving birth and that she was upset that Dr. Brunner had to spay her...I knew what kind of place Lynn had so I pretended to be intrested in buying her since Lynn said she was going to find her a new home.. I knew that she would ask alot of money for her and people would come and see her filth and walk away and every day that they walked away was another day that Prissy was at risk...So I gave her my number and she left...She called the next day and said she wanted to sell her for $450 so I said yes and went and saved her.. Picking Prissy up was the second time that I had been in Lynn's home...It was still as filthy as ever....All of her dogs are kept outside on a big deck and as I was leaving they all came running down the stairs and they were filthy, matted and had rotten teeth...You could smell the urine from their coats...Again, I pretended nothing was wrong and she was nice and she showed me her HUGE like 15 pound Parti boy that she was breeding...Again, nothing a reputable breeder would do...So I IMMEDIATELY took Prissy to the vet who said that she had an infection in her incision and I showed him the medicine that she gave me and it was not cold..He said that she was supposed to refrigerate it and that since she didn't, it was ruined...He then checked her ears and said she was infested with mites and that he had told Lynn about it when he spayed her and she chose not to believe that's what it was and decided not to treat her...So I got medicine for that as well and brought her home, bathed her, got rid of her fleas and the rest is history...Then the Dr's tech told me that Lynn had some Parti's available as she knew I was interested in getting a Biewer and she did not realize they were different..I pretended to be interested in them and called Lynn to go and see them... I wanted to give her one last chance and see if she had changed things before I compalined to the AKC and called animal control on her...When I got there, things were the same... I told her that I was looking at a female from Bentley's breeder and I would call her and tell her which one I chose..I ofcoarse never called her.... I made my complaints.. AKC told me that they had noone to do an inspection in my area and wanted me to call Tn Department of Agriculture... I did and a man wanted me to do an undercover op and get him video and write a letter with details... How the heck was I supposed to get video...He said without video, it was a waste of his time...So my final complaint was to Wilson County Animal Control who said that they do not have a cruelty division, they only handle vicious animal calls....They said call the police and I did and they said they only handle vicious animal calls as well....It was a dead end and so I left it alone...I heard from a tech that no longer works at the vet, that Lynn came in with a litter of puppies and met a woman at the vet that was going to buy one..The dr looked at the puppies and said they were ok except ear mites, the woman paid for her 6 wks old puppy and left and as soon as she drove off, Lynn says, oh yeah, I have a half dead puppy in the truck, let me go get it....I have many more stories from that I could tell but my hands are tired....Lynn is a bad breeder only in it for the money...Her prices have more than doubled because she now ships her puppies and people will pay that much...Her website is VERY misleading.....Now in all of this, I still found Lynn to be easy to talk to and a nice person in general...She seems to like to talk Yorkies and will come across as someone that really cares but to me, it is all in the action....not in the words... Seeing Prissy aka Bella's condition was enough to prove to me what kind of breeder she is... Last but not least, I am in no way trying to vindicate myself as she stated... I had one litter last yr and Kallie is due in 8 days with her second litter.... She is my only female and there are a few YT members who have been in my home and have seen how I love and spoil my babies...There are also 2 YT members that have puppies from Kallie's litter last yr and they are very happy healthy dogs... I do not need to try and bash someone else in order to eliminate competition as Lynn and I have 2 completely different ideas of good homes for our puppies...I actually care what the future holds for my babies and it is very important to me that I place happy healthy puppies....To bad she doesn't feel the same way....

Unfortunately, the calling/slander doesn't work anymore. I know, because one of my good friends is going through harrasment over the phone right now, the cops can't/won't do anything, they can't unless they are threatening you. The thing is though, you can be sued for slander if there is any untruth anywhere, this is why I'm not saying anything on here about this. I have family members that are with sheriffs dept. and good friends that are and have been cops. It's not worth getting in trouble over. I know you're only trying to help, but, it could end up blowing up in your face. Best thing to do is just not say anything else about it, and remember that what goes around comes around. And remember, cops and attorneys are two different professions.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by amanda350

Ok first of all.....I am in no way intimidated by attorney talk or slander crap..I am married to a cop and know the law really well... I noticed that she and her friend are pming everyone but me...As for her friend...If you CALL me EVER AGAIN it will be considered harrassment...And I will quickly take legal action as again, I know the law...I have been in Lynn's NASTY, filthy, rat infested home more than once....I found her ad in the paper and actually called her several yrs ago before I got my first yorkie Tucker.. I went to her home and was appalled by the condition of her lifeless puppies and her horrible home.......I ran as fast as I could to get away....Then here I am a few yrs later in the vet's office with a surprise pregnancy of Kallie's and in walks this familiar woman that I immediately recognized as Lynn, the horrible breeder that I had met...She sat down beside me and started talking to me about her Yorkies as she could see that I had one...Then she tells me the story about prissy and how her mother had been killed by the pack 2 weeks before and that Prissy almost died giving birth and that she was upset that Dr. Brunner had to spay her...I knew what kind of place Lynn had so I pretended to be intrested in buying her since Lynn said she was going to find her a new home.. I knew that she would ask alot of money for her and people would come and see her filth and walk away and every day that they walked away was another day that Prissy was at risk...So I gave her my number and she left...She called the next day and said she wanted to sell her for $450 so I said yes and went and saved her.. Picking Prissy up was the second time that I had been in Lynn's home...It was still as filthy as ever....All of her dogs are kept outside on a big deck and as I was leaving they all came running down the stairs and they were filthy, matted and had rotten teeth...You could smell the urine from their coats...Again, I pretended nothing was wrong and she was nice and she showed me her HUGE like 15 pound Parti boy that she was breeding...Again, nothing a reputable breeder would do...So I IMMEDIATELY took Prissy to the vet who said that she had an infection in her incision and I showed him the medicine that she gave me and it was not cold..He said that she was supposed to refrigerate it and that since she didn't, it was ruined...He then checked her ears and said she was infested with mites and that he had told Lynn about it when he spayed her and she chose not to believe that's what it was and decided not to treat her...So I got medicine for that as well and brought her home, bathed her, got rid of her fleas and the rest is history...Then the Dr's tech told me that Lynn had some Parti's available as she knew I was interested in getting a Biewer and she did not realize they were different..I pretended to be interested in them and called Lynn to go and see them... I wanted to give her one last chance and see if she had changed things before I compalined to the AKC and called animal control on her...When I got there, things were the same... I told her that I was looking at a female from Bentley's breeder and I would call her and tell her which one I chose..I ofcoarse never called her.... I made my complaints.. AKC told me that they had noone to do an inspection in my area and wanted me to call Tn Department of Agriculture... I did and a man wanted me to do an undercover op and get him video and write a letter with details... How the heck was I supposed to get video...He said without video, it was a waste of his time...So my final complaint was to Wilson County Animal Control who said that they do not have a cruelty division, they only handle vicious animal calls....They said call the police and I did and they said they only handle vicious animal calls as well....It was a dead end and so I left it alone...I heard from a tech that no longer works at the vet, that Lynn came in with a litter of puppies and met a woman at the vet that was going to buy one..The dr looked at the puppies and said they were ok except ear mites, the woman paid for her 6 wks old puppy and left and as soon as she drove off, Lynn says, oh yeah, I have a half dead puppy in the truck, let me go get it....I have many more stories from that I could tell but my hands are tired....Lynn is a bad breeder only in it for the money...Her prices have more than doubled because she now ships her puppies and people will pay that much...Her website is VERY misleading.....Now in all of this, I still found Lynn to be easy to talk to and a nice person in general...She seems to like to talk Yorkies and will come across as someone that really cares but to me, it is all in the action....not in the words... Seeing Prissy aka Bella's condition was enough to prove to me what kind of breeder she is... Last but not least, I am in no way trying to vindicate myself as she stated... I had one litter last yr and Kallie is due in 8 days with her second litter.... She is my only female and there are a few YT members who have been in my home and have seen how I love and spoil my babies...There are also 2 YT members that have puppies from Kallie's litter last yr and they are very happy healthy dogs... I do not need to try and bash someone else in order to eliminate competition as Lynn and I have 2 completely different ideas of good homes for our puppies...I actually care what the future holds for my babies and it is very important to me that I place happy healthy puppies....To bad she doesn't feel the same way....

Amanda. Thanks for posting all of this. My husband is a police officer too and like you I also was threatened with legal action for speaking out. WE ALL OF US NEED to speak up for those that can't. I'm glad you are not intimidated. ONLY those that do wrong are quick to call lawyers and they don't have a leg to stand on. There is no slander when the proof is there. Thanks for taking this little one and finding her a home. I wish we could shut places like this down. Elaine

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkshires4Me

I think you began at post number ONE. I am no one post wonder. I am merely explaining to whomever reads this that I have bought from birdhouse Ranch. You asked her for proof. I am proof that my puppies now dogs are FINE. Are you all so gullable that you believe anything one poster with 500 posts says? If so - hey I'm on number 3 I'm well on my way! LOL

All joking aside. She did violate the rules of this community. I encourage anyone to go to the top and read the FAQ section.

Here are a few general YorkieTalk forum guidelines:

1. Please be civil and do not personally attack anyone or their opinions. If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way. Or you can choose to ignore their post altogether.

2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.


And YES, its amazing that someone joins in to tell their side of the story 1 post or 500 - I am absolutely appalled by your lack of sensitivity towards people in general. I joined this board because I have witnessed first hand what Birdhouse Ranch has to offer. Amanda350 hasn't portrayed it properly. As for Birdhouse Ranch - I'm sure her attorney will advise her to not to post here in the interim.

Please read the rules at the top of this BREEDERS REVIEW forum. Amanda has had personal experience with this breeder and what she has done here is give a review. Still, no rules broken. What part of "review" based on personal experience don't you understand? i hope her aattorney does advisse her not to post because now that she has been exposed, she will never be a part of this community. people on here are very serious about breeders and how they do things.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So I have to say that within minutes of posting the above I too received a PM from Birdhouse. That was yesterday and if anyone is wondering she has PMed me about 6 times since then and not once has she been able to show the "proof" that this is all a lie. She did ask me to call her because the "story is too long" well to me that sounds like she has a bunch of excuses as to what "really happened" and in my book it just doesn't fly.

Truthfully, I was kind of thinking all of this might be bad blood between two breeders what as far as I can see that does not seem to be the case. I have never gone to a breeder to purchase a yorkie because I believe in rescue and that is where all of mine have come from to date.

Having a few of your friends pop in and post that you are good really doesn't cut it IMO. We have all seen this before and it just doesn't work. Now I have also seen the opposite of this happening when long standing member with a good reputaiton is badmouth by a new member and that didn't work well either because they had already established their reputation prior to being accused or bached. I believe when you come to a public forum you need to built a reputation as an honest person as I believe I have always staying true to what you believe. I also believe that I have shown myself as a reputable member of this board with almost 2,000 and a member for over 2 years. To get a few of your friend to join your battle without further addressing the real issue just further makes your case weaker in the eyes of this forum.

you do realize you can block her on here don't you? And something new is that little red triangle on top of the pm page now where you can report the pm same as we report posts on here.

[oopsmyhalofello]

Originally Posted by Yorkshires4Me

I think you began at post number ONE. I am no one post wonder. I am merely explaining to whomever reads this that I have bought from birdhouse Ranch. You asked her for proof. I am proof that my puppies now dogs are FINE. Are you all so gullable that you believe anything one poster with 500 posts says? If so - hey I'm on number 3 I'm well on my way! LOL

All joking aside. She did violate the rules of this community. I encourage anyone to go to the top and read the FAQ section.

Here are a few general YorkieTalk forum guidelines:

1. Please be civil and do not personally attack anyone or their opinions. If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way. Or you can choose to ignore their post altogether.

2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.


And YES, its amazing that someone joins in to tell their side of the story 1 post or 500 - I am absolutely appalled by your lack of sensitivity towards people in general. I joined this board because I have witnessed first hand what Birdhouse Ranch has to offer. Amanda350 hasn't portrayed it properly. As for Birdhouse Ranch - I'm sure her attorney will advise her to not to post here in the interim.

And Amanda broke the rules of YT how??

It drives me crazy when people throw around getting a lawyer involved because someone has posted their opinion regarding their experience with a breeder. Libel is FALSE accusations that are made to harm someones reputation. Nothing that has been posted in defense of Birdhouse Ranch person is related to Amanda's experience.

The credibility and content of the rebuttal's is lacking