Green fluid during birth?

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Well, mine was copious amounts of dark green water. I also was told by breeders on here during that time that it was normal and if I hadn't trusted my gut instinct, my bitch would have been dead so i stand by what I said in that not all green before a delivery is normal. mine had no foul odor and after passing all the green from her bottom, she vomited about half a cup full twice. I had no sac visiable or anything. her whole bed was soaked (twice) not counting the vomit. I'm not trying to dispute Tami or mardelin either one, just telling my experience and sorry if it doesn't agree with theirs.

Mary and Tami were both correct. It is generally normal. They also did say that if it happens before birth, there IS a problem. Your's definitely showed signs of a problem other than just the green discharge and I don't think any knowledgable breeder on here would have suggested you not go to the vet.

[YorkieRose]

This is where experience is golden. Experienced breeders can sense a problem by looking at the color/amount/odor/ thickness and know what is what..
Few have ever regretted checking with a vet knowledgable in breeding, but many have regretted not checking with them...

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Mary and Tami were both correct. It is generally normal. They also did say that if it happens before birth, there IS a problem. Your's definitely showed signs of a problem other than just the green discharge and I don't think any knowledgable breeder on here would have suggested you not go to the vet.

no, no one didn't tell me not to go to the vet. since it was my first experience, i was on here when it happened asking about it and was told by several that it is normal but as I mentioned in my case, it wasn't and thank goodness i took her to the vet. Even my inexperience, I just knew something was wrong. i was going to wait it out, until she started vomiting. i knew i had NEVER heard of such thing on here so off I went.

[Mardelin]

POP shot within 12-24 hours after whelping is the best. I've found that I have had blackish/greenish discharge after all is done....but, when I told my breeder what I was seeing, she said that even though a I'd given a POP shot that I may have left a placenta in. She told me to gently insert a Q-tip and turn it gently and I'd probably wrap the placenta around it....I did and out it popped.

[011011]

I have never heard the Qtip thing.
Our green fluid was thicker and not very watery that made my heart start pumping.I have never had a bitch push on her back (horses will while rolling trying to get baby in position) I knew when I seen her do that something was not right.
My vet said he has never seen them push while laying on their back either.
I always go with my gut even if my vet thinks all is okay on the phone I will take them over if I do not feel good about something.
Time is of the essance with these guys ,problems need to be corrected promtly for the saftey of the bitch and pups.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by 011011

I have never heard the Qtip thing.
Our green fluid was thicker and not very watery that made my heart start pumping.I have never had a bitch push on her back (horses will while rolling trying to get baby in position) I knew when I seen her do that something was not right.
My vet said he has never seen them push while laying on their back either.
I always go with my gut even if my vet thinks all is okay on the phone I will take them over if I do not feel good about something.
Time is of the essance with these guys ,problems need to be corrected promtly for the saftey of the bitch and pups.

My breeder/mentor is one of the top yorkie breeders in the country, been breeding and exhibiting, finishing over 100 champions herself since 1972. We both have the same vet. While whelping a litter I encountered a small problem delivering a pup....I was getting ready to have hubby call vet, but he called my breeder what she told me to do worked. The next morning I contacted my vet to tell him about the litter, what I encountered and that I avoided calling him in the middle of the night, but called my breeder. His answer was that I had done the right thing and that my breeder had delivered more pups than he probably would in his career.

[genie]

I admit that I know nothing about breeding dogs but in humans a green fluid during labor and delivery is called meconium stained fluid and it means that the baby has had a bowl movement inside the mother (this is not supposed to happen). Meconium is the first stool and it is black tarry and it turns the amniotic fluid green. Ususally this happens because at some point the baby was in distress and lacking oxygen. It poses a threat if the baby inhales the meconium into the lungs. Could this green fluid in dogs be meconium too?

[011011]

My breeder/mentor is one of the top yorkie breeders in the country, been breeding and exhibiting, finishing over 100 champions herself since 1972. We both have the same vet. While whelping a litter I encountered a small problem delivering a pup....I was getting ready to have hubby call vet, but he called my breeder what she told me to do worked. The next morning I contacted my vet to tell him about the litter, what I encountered and that I avoided calling him in the middle of the night, but called my breeder. His answer was that I had done the right thing and that my breeder had delivered more pups than he probably would in his career.



I have the most wonderful lady who helps me.She is so far away I would have to fly to see her,or drive 24 hours.
I have encounterd problems with our yorkies and gone to my vet and he has asked me did you call that lady for I would like to know what she thinks.
I have a great vet who is only 10 min away.I have never taken a female over for me just being worried and had a false alarm with nothing wrong.My vet and my helper have both helped me over the phone also .But in an emergency I call him on the way to his office.
Great for you to have so much experiance helping you!

[lisatodd]

where do you breeders get your oxi shot from? the vets? are they willing to just give it to you or do they normally want you to take the bitch into the office to be seen?

[s1utster]

I LOVE YORKIE TALK!!!! you guys are great.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by genie

I admit that I know nothing about breeding dogs but in humans a green fluid during labor and delivery is called meconium stained fluid and it means that the baby has had a bowl movement inside the mother (this is not supposed to happen). Meconium is the first stool and it is black tarry and it turns the amniotic fluid green. Ususally this happens because at some point the baby was in distress and lacking oxygen. It poses a threat if the baby inhales the meconium into the lungs. Could this green fluid in dogs be meconium too?

This is what Dr. Rice DMV says: A sure sign that uterine labor contractions have begun is the presence of a green vaginal discharge. It is the result of early uterine placental detachment and may be seen several hours before a bitch produes her first pup. The green fluid, called lochia, is intermittently observed until several days or a week after whelping.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

I am glad that we have been presented with two different views of what the green fluid is and if it is normal or something to worry about. I have noticed it in all my deliveries (not that I have had alot) but I am glad Sugars Moms told her story so I would not automatically think it was normal in all situations and have a better understanding of what to look for. Thanks guys. I like hearing all of the differents views and experiences. Knowledge is wealth and unfortunately you dont always get all of the knowledge with only the good experiences or what happens in a normal delivery. IT is good to learn what the signs of trouble are too.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

where do you breeders get your oxi shot from? the vets? are they willing to just give it to you or do they normally want you to take the bitch into the office to be seen?

Lisa. my vet isn't what you might call "breeder friendly' and won't give me anything but the vet I am changing to will. a lot of vets will. the dog I was talking about in the previous post had a shot of oxy at the vet because i insisted on it only to return home and find that the show breeder who was mentoring me had called and said in MY case she shouldn't have had the shot because in some cases it will cause the placenta to separate. but, the placenta had already separated in this case.

my mentor's vet gives her the oxy and tells her to use 1/4 cc every half hour up to three (I think). But someone called me yesterday and her vet told her to give 1/2cc at a time. So until I get a new vet that knows what he is doing, I am not even going to try giving my own.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

where do you breeders get your oxi shot from? the vets? are they willing to just give it to you or do they normally want you to take the bitch into the office to be seen?

Lisa,

My vet is very breeder friendly and will dispense premeasured injections. However, after working with him and his knowing who my breeder/mentor is, he has given me a prescription for it.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I am glad that we have been presented with two different views of what the green fluid is and if it is normal or something to worry about. I have noticed it in all my deliveries (not that I have had alot) but I am glad Sugars Moms told her story so I would not automatically think it was normal in all situations and have a better understanding of what to look for. Thanks guys. I like hearing all of the differents views and experiences. Knowledge is wealth and unfortunately you dont always get all of the knowledge with only the good experiences or what happens in a normal delivery. IT is good to learn what the signs of trouble are too.

As Yorkie Rose stated, experience is golden. Knowing what one is looking at, consistency, color and odor and the timing of events by an experienced breeder can save a dam's life.