Green fluid during birth?

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by set1958

The following is an excerpt from:
L. Ari Juckowitz, VMD. Reproductive Emergencies; Veterinary Clinics Small Animals. Volume 35g 397-420.


Box 2. Criteria for the suspicion of dystocia
1. A definite cause is visible (ie, fetus lodged in birth canal,
pelvic fractures).
2. Gestation is prolonged (>70 days) with no evidence of labor.
3. Temperature has dropped to lower than 100
F and returned
to normal with no evidence of labor.
4. Green vaginal discharge (indicates placental separation) or
fetal fluids are seen, and 2 hours have elapsed without
expulsion of fetuses.
5. Strong and persistent contractions fail to result in the
delivery of a puppy within 30 minutes.
6. Weak and infrequent contractions fail to produce a fetus
within 4 hours.
7. More than 4 hours have elapsed since the birth of a puppy,
with no evidence of ongoing labor.
8. Signs of systemic illness or severe pain are presen

So does this mean that it is okay to see the green before the birth as long as the puppy is born within 2 hours of seeing it? Good information to have. Thank you.

[set1958]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

So does this mean that it is okay to see the green before the birth as long as the puppy is born within 2 hours of seeing it? Good information to have. Thank you.

I am not an expert. In my opinion, I would be concerned anytime I saw it because the placenta is what supplies blood and oxygen to the puppy. When the placenta seperates then oxygen is cut off. I would rather be overcautious than sorry, but that is my personal opinion.The info I posted came from veterinary journals so they are the experts. Experienced breeders say it is not Ok before a puppy is born and it is Ok after the first puppy is born. Foul odor means a vet trip and lots of green fluid means a vet trip is what I understood. From what I read, I believe that it depends on the quantity and consistency. In other words a small green discharge after the first pup is delivered is OK accoding to the posts from experienced breeders. Large amounts of green fuid is not OK according to the veterinary literature. And of course a foul odor could mean an infection and needs to checked right away. If it were my dam, I would call the vet, if I saw green fluid, but that is just my cautious opinion.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

In all 3 of my litters there was dark green coloring. Not alot but you could see it on the gloves and the towels and sheets. You could also see if for a few days afterwards. I assumed that was the color that the afterbirth was supposed to be. It was not like a solid green and didnt even look green but the stains left on things were dark green so you knew the green was there. Does that make sense?

[BamaFan121s]

With our litters, there has always been some greenish fluid present. And also during the early stages of whelping. (an hour or so ahead of actual whelping, maybe) Not much and no foul odor. And the stuff does NOT come out of anything no matter how many times you wash it.
I was taught and have always been under a very similar impression to what Mardelin has described.
Considering that Mardelin is a very accomplished and respected breeder having successfully whelped more litters than I can even count, I'm inclined to take what she says to heart with the knowledge that she speaks from experience, gained after many years of studying the breed and the breeding process as a whole.
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to favor that type of advice over a theory pulled out of a book at random. Anyone can read about something all day long, but it's no subsitute of first hand experience....LOTS of first hand experience in this case.

[Mardelin]

[QUOTE=BamaFan121s;1211507] Not much and no foul odor. And the stuff does NOT come out of anything no matter how many times you wash it.
Misty, Try Spray and Wash or Shout prior to washing. Then a 1/2 cup of Biz added to your Laundry water.....works great and does get out those pesky birthing fluid stains.

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

With our litters, there has always been some greenish fluid present. And also during the early stages of whelping. (an hour or so ahead of actual whelping, maybe) Not much and no foul odor. And the stuff does NOT come out of anything no matter how many times you wash it.
I was taught and have always been under a very similar impression to what Mardelin has described.
Considering that Mardelin is a very accomplished and respected breeder having successfully whelped more litters than I can even count, I'm inclined to take what she says to heart with the knowledge that she speaks from experience, gained after many years of studying the breed and the breeding process as a whole.
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to favor that type of advice over a theory pulled out of a book at random. Anyone can read about something all day long, but it's no subsitute of first hand experience....LOTS of first hand experience in this case.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

My knowledge comes from some of the best longtime breeder exhibitors in North America...Who have been doing this countless of years longer than I have with wonderful success in producing wonderful yorkies. It's not to say that they have not encountered problems or things out of the ordinary don't pop up when they are whelping, but I'd bank on their knowledge in whelping any day. As my own wonderful Vet says, whelping is not my expertise, emergency and keeping your dog healthy is. On my first visit to him he stated that every smart a Vet keeps in his contact files specific breeder's numbers so they can turn to those breeders when they encounter problems with a specific breed.

[set1958]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

In all 3 of my litters there was dark green coloring. Not alot but you could see it on the gloves and the towels and sheets. You could also see if for a few days afterwards. I assumed that was the color that the afterbirth was supposed to be. It was not like a solid green and didnt even look green but the stains left on things were dark green so you knew the green was there. Does that make sense?

I am certainly not as qualified to speak on this subject as those people who have bred for years. After a puppy is born the placenta separates and is delivered so it would make sense that there could be a small amount of green discharge after the first puppy. Whether that discharge could be indicative of a problem, I do not know. It seems to me that it could be a problem, however, I would like to know if every litter has green discharge. I myself do trust the authoritative journals written by and for small animal veterinarians, after all that is what they go to school for so many years to learn. Many vets do not retain all that information unless they breed themselves so experienced breeders do have a wealth of information which can be a great help. I was just trying to share what I thought was good information.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by set1958

I am certainly not as qualified to speak on this subject as those people who have bred for years. After a puppy is born the placenta separates and is delivered so it would make sense that there could be a small amount of green discharge after the first puppy. Whether that discharge could be indicative of a problem, I do not know. It seems to me that it could be a problem, however, I would like to know if every litter has green discharge. I myself do trust the authoritative journals written by and for small animal veterinarians, after all that is what they go to school for so many years to learn. Many vets do not retain all that information unless they breed themselves so experienced breeders do have a wealth of information which can be a great help. I was just trying to share what I thought was good information.

I appreciate all of the knowledge that my brain can possibly soak up, whether it comes from books or the knowledge of breeders that have the hands on training. I imagine each case is different so it is so helpful to have many different views and personal experiences to keep in the back of my mind for when that time comes that I may need to pull it out and use it. Thanks for your help.

[set1958]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I appreciate all of the knowledge that my brain can possibly soak up, whether it comes from books or the knowledge of breeders that have the hands on training. I imagine each case is different so it is so helpful to have many different views and personal experiences to keep in the back of my mind for when that time comes that I may need to pull it out and use it. Thanks for your help.

Thanks to you, too.