Yes, there are breeders that breed on a larger scale than some. But, there are those that maybe breed 1 or 2 litters a year. I for one breed for myself for my next Champion. What I can't keep for obvious reasons are placed in homes. Do I make money.....would you like a print out of my expenses starting from the time I start thinking about breeding.....I've yet to make a penny. If done properly you:

Have your male and female tested for STDs, genetic problems, eyes, ears, blood work, OFA tested, bile acid tested......BIG BUCKS

Time and effort to find approved homes prior to breeding for those puppies you don't keep

Make sure that both male and female are in the best health necessary to insure health of puppies. That means the best food possible to keep them in prime condition.

Extra quality food for mother during pregnacy,

X-rays and Ultra Sound prior to whelping time

Supplies and meds needed on hand to whelp puppies.

Hopefully mother free whelps if not C-Section....more big bucks, especially if it happens in the middle of the night and you go to the emergency Vet, major $$$$
and hopefully all pups are born without needed medical care up front.

Vet check for mom and pups.....more $$$$
Extra supplements and special diet for mom to insure milk is adequate.

Vaccinations for pups $$$$$$

Bile acid tests for pups $$$$$$

Puppies weaned, puppy food.....$$$$

Registering the litter....$$

Now it's time for puppies to go home, you get money back and it really isn't yours. Why because in your contract you have a health guarantee on genetic defects for maybe 1-3 years.....so, in actuality you've allowed be taken home for free......since the money that was paid will stay in the bank in case something may possibly go wrong and you need to stand behind your guarantee.


These are only a few things I've touched on if breeding is done correctly

i got that but dogs are pets thats what they are for why do we bother breeding them with better quality dogs unless you disagree with that statement. and if the dogs you have are wonderful then why keep bettering them? and if you arent doing it for money why bother with any of it at all?

I was wondering if perhaps you could break up your posts into paragraphs, they are very hard to read and understand with no line spacing or capitals?

yea but you are breeding for your next champion. so in fact you are doing it for money and or selfish reasons? which goes back to you are breeding for you and not the dogs betterment. you guys make your dogs make babies and you get paid to do so. and you people cant say your all worried about your dogs well being when your poor dogs are having all these puppies. im sure your poor dogs wouldnt be having these many babies if you werent making them.

What most dog breeds have currently is not "good enough." Not by a long shot. It will be good enough when there aren't any more dogs born with genetic diseases due to careful breeding. When no more dogs are being put down due to hip displaysia or heart conditions or having no clotting factors. The structures are there, but the health isn't yet.

You can't better the breed without a standard to adhere to or there isn't any continuity. The people that breed small on purpose aren't adhering to the standard and are doing a disservice to yorkies. The standard is the way it is for a reason. Yorkies aren't meant to be that small or the standard would accept it. It causes health issues to be that tiny. These people are generally the people that do want money.

The breeders that better the breed know they aren't the only ones breeding, I promise you. Though sometimes I bet they wish they were. Then maybe we wouldn't have so many sick dogs. They wish the "greeders" would breed better dogs with better pedigrees and known histories. They know they aren't the only ones who can do it, but if you'd like to do it to, you need to prove your worth. Getting a foundation girl is TOUGH, you have to prove that you're trustworthy and know enough to breed. Get out to shows, get your name known. Be able to discuss genetic lines and pedigrees and health and nutrition with other breeders. I would personally never buy a dog from someone who couldn't do this, because I couldn't trust them to help me if something went wrong. A good breeder should be there for you when your dog is 15 years old and it's 3 in the morning and something is going wrong. When you breed a puppy, that commitment is forever because you made that happen.

There is no perfect dog. If there were, we'd all stop breeding. Yes, it maybe for the love of the sport of dog showing and challenging myself, to find that next Champion that I can say is my breeding, I planned it and made all the right choices....The art of perfecting my line. I'm not sure about noterioty, as I'm a small scale exhibitor/breeder.

But, if we all stopped breeding you wouldn't have that cute little yorkie right now, would you?

Very well put.

Dogs were not meant for pets, we've made them that way, we've domesticated them......

Again, the championship title is given because the dog is of correct temperament and structure. It's how a breeder knows they are doing a good job. If only one out of your 4 dogs is championship material, maybe next time you should pick a better stud, or not breed this particular girl again. The Ch at the front of the name isn't the end-all-be-all of dog awesomeness, there are LOTS of champions out there. It's not like everyone is going to oooo and ahhh because you made one dog a champion.

Also, a good breeder usually has 2 or 3 good females and breeds maybe once or twice a year. I don't really think that classifies as "all these puppies."

but still that goes back to not breeding for pets your breeding for standards and such. and i dont think your ever gonna get it so their are no dogs out their that can get sick. we cant even manage that will people and you think you can do it with dogs. its prolly impossible.

I think you are misunderstanding me. When I say we want to make dogs that don't get sick, I mean from genetic conditions. The type where mom has one gene and dad has another and they get together and make a sick baby. There are tests out there that can tell you whether or not that particular disease can happen to your puppies. It's a yes or no question test. Either YES, the puppies from these parents will have this problem or NO they won't. If it's that easy, why not do it? The answer is generally, "It's too expensive and the vet says my dog is fine." Vets don't have x-ray vision. They can't see the DNA unless you do a blood test. The vet can't tell that the puppies won't get this disease just by looking at mom and dad.

And you're right. It's almost impossible that we can breed dogs that won't have these diseases, but isn't it worth it to try? Isn't it worth it to work hard so that just one little puppy doesn't have to hurt or die? I think it is.

"Once upon a time there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.

One day he was walking along the shore. As he looked down the beach, he saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself to think of someone who would dance to the day.

So he began to walk faster to catch up.

As he got closer, he saw that it was a young man and the young man wasn't dancing, but instead he was reaching down to the shore, picking up something and very gently throwing it into the ocean. As he got closer he called out, "Good morning! What are you doing?"

The young man paused, looked up and replied, "Throwing starfish in the ocean."

"I guess I should have asked, why are you throwing starfish in the ocean?"

"The sun is up and the tide is going out. And if I don't throw them in they'll die."

"But, young man, don't you realize that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it. You can't possibly make a difference!"

The young man listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the ocean, past the breaking waves and said - "It made a difference for that one."'

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all im saying is breeders #1 cant say they dont breed for money
#2 that no one else cant do it
#3 that everyone on yt is the best breeder ever and like i said 1 of you that has posted on this thread telling me all this stuff has contacted me about my dog and my breeder without asking me important questions accoriding to what ive heard on this whole site and without any care in the world to the fact that my baby is over 4 months old and weighs 1.8 lbs so she will not get big enough to breed. according to the chart she wont top 3 lbs.
#4 i have no interest in breeding her since i know her size and had no interest in breeding at all except for as pets for me and friends and family. i have no plans to sell etc.
#5 i understand what you do i just think its hypecritical of some of you to say you are breeding to better your line etc and you dont do this for money etc or that you should sell puppies on limited registration cuz other people either 1 do not know what they are doing or 2 we want to protect our line. cuz you dont want your dogs to be puppy mills or get into the wrong hands i understand that but the way i see it just my opinion if you are forcing dogs to make puppies they you infact may be causing you own dogs demise and if you were that worried about it youd 1 either stop or 2 let nature do its own thing and if they wanted to make babies they would and if they dont tehy dont and im sure not positive about the breeders on here but most breeders dont do that tey do in and get vet assistance etc and plan to breed. so if you can do that and say you dont do it for money then i think some if not most of youa re lying

i understand what you are saying about the genetic deffects. i get why you do it. all im saying is some breeders get on here and they are breeding for money and for you not to admit that would be wrong. most breeders breed for money or show, or both. and those same breeders think that its not ok for otehrs to breed their own dogs. i understand people need to learn and know what they are doing first etc. and do the right tests etc. i get all of that. i just dont like people saying not everyone can do it cuz i beleive people can learn and everyone should have a chance. I beleive that their are people out there who are not willing to learn and those people should not be breeding. i agree with everyone on that. I just dont beleive every breeder should sell their puppies on limited registration i think they should just know who they sell to. i am still in contact with my breeder and i know it hasnt been that long my puppy isnt that old. but i just sent her a pic of my anna with my pom oliver with a lovely note about how im enjoying my puppy. she calls to check up on her and informed her after vet visits and grooming. i beleive all breeders should do this and then they would know that the people getting their puppies are not breeding atleast not in teh wrong way and if they are help them. and i know how hard this would be for some breeders those that have alot of them and i beleive those breeders should be labeled puppy mills who dont caare about their dogs. if you have that many where you cant check in on your puppies then you have had to many.

i beleive it hypecritical of people to say they care about their dogs thats why they sell on limited registration cuz even that does not gurantee no breeding. if they cared about their dogs they would work with teh buyers of their dogs to help them if interested in breeding not to discourage them of something they might be wanting to do as you once wanted to do.

Championing a dog does not bring money. And yes it is for the bettering the breed. I am not getting paid to breed my dogs....

But, what I will say is that no matter what is explained, you've got your mind made up and no amount of explaing is going to change it.

To be blunt, if we didn't "force" dogs to have puppies, there wouldn't be any more yorkies. All we would have left are mixes. Dogs don't breed because they fall in love, they breed because nature is telling them to. Some females will breed with horrible looking and unhealthy dogs just because the urge is there. Frankly, I'd much rather provide a female (who has the right temperament and structure and is certified healthy to breed) with a nice healthy sound male. If she had her choice, she would pick the closest most persistent boy. Boys are the same way. They react identically to any female in heat...and sometimes to my pillows...

You may be right too, many people who breed don't do what they should, and they probably aren't members of the YTCA. I'm not trying to be an elitist, but when I buy my boyfriend a yorkie, I WILL be getting it from a YTCA member that does genetic testing and has championship pedigrees and knows his/her stuff. I'll do this because I love my boyfriend and don't want to see him swindled by someone who would sell him a puppy with genetic problems and a temperament that is unbecoming of the wonderful yorkie. I don't want him to have to waste one tear because I didn't do my research and find an ethical breeder. In essence, yeah, I am looking for the best. I want the friendliest, healthiest, best looking yorkie in the whole world for him. The easiest way to do that is to go to a GOOD breeder.

YTCA members are good breeders because they are voted on, because they abide by the code of conduct and ethics. The scrutinize each other to make sure that no one is giving the YTCA a bad name. If the ethics of that organization goes downhill, then membership means nothing and you don't know who to trust. You bet your buns that I support an organization that would kick people out for bad breeding practices, it's in my best interest!

it may not bring you money i will admit i do not know if it does or not. but i do know its not fair for you to say i have my mind made up when in fact this thread started because breeders had their mind made up and was not willing to give otehrs a chance. i am trying to understand and i do on some things but i do not know how you can tell me i have a stuborn mind when in fact we both do or there wouldnt be a discussion.
iM just saying people should be given a chance those willing to learn should be able to do so. and breeders selling their dogs to these people should be willing to help them if they want to say they care about their dogs they should care about what happens to them outside of their homes and what their buyers are doing. whether they be breeding or not.
i dont think its fair to charge more for females or full registrtaion and im not saying you or any breeder in specific is doing this but there are some who do. and they should sell dogs with full registration due to the fact that if they are so afraid of their puppies going to puppy mills they shouldnt sell them to that paticular person they are fear would do that to a puppy. and like i said be willing to help and work with teh buyer to breed their dog if that is how they so wish to do with their dog that they bought from you.

and yes i understnad their wouldnt be anymore yorkies without you breeding them but i didnt mean just leave them arround and let them breed with anything. all im saying is put them with a male yorkie and if it happens it happens if it doesnt leave it alone. most breeders that i know personally do not do that they breed to breed and that is it. and i do not beleive thats looking into their dogs best interest. having babies is not always safe and those who make/let dogs do it all them are not in my opinion giving their dogs the best environment.

That is a misconception. Reputable Breeders are willing to help that newbie that truely shows an interest in doing it right and has Honesty, Ingetrity and Ethics...things that can't be taught. How do you think I got started, not by someone selling me a dog with full registration without knowing me. It took me a year and half to get my first show dog from a very well known reputable exhibitor breeder that has been doing this for 35+ years. I had to earn her trust. I had to be willing to jump through hoops and learn how to do it right.

then why is everyone on here that has posted negatively saying they only sell their dogs with limited registration. you cant say that and then say you would be willing to help a buyer interested in breeding. they cant breed or shouldnt breed with limited registration.

But what you aren't getting is that the world isn't made of sunshine and rainbows. People who buy puppies and say they won't breed lie. It happens all the time. Go work with a rescue and see how often the story comes up. If I sell a puppy to someone in California I can't walk down the street to make sure they haven't bred the dog. I've learned not to trust people when it comes to animals and money.

There isn't enough time in a lifetime to help every joe out there who wants to breed yorkies, nor will they all listen to your advice. Breeders will help people who want to breed, but you need to show that you can raise your own puppy well and know what it takes to get that championship and be a good breeder. I sure as the devil wouldn't give just anyone my best looking girl and wait until they called me at 2am crying because she whelped a whole litter of dead puppies on their bed. It happens over and over again, even when you think you can trust someone. So yeah, you have to work for it. If you (general, not you specifically) don't want to be a good breeder, don't. Just don't think you're doing anyone any favors by not knowing as much as you should and then still charging as much as a good breeder would.

Honestly, you aren't listening to me or many others on here. It sounds like you're upset because you think the whole world should be fair, and everyone should be given the chance to breed dogs. You do have the chance. Just get $2000, go to a pet store at the mall and breed the first girl you find. I promise you'll run into things you didn't expect. Don't like that idea? Why? However, don't think a breeder worth her salt is going to give you or anyone else her intact pick female because you "want to breed." If the way people do it now didn't work, it wouldn't be done with every breed on the planet.

They only sell their dogs on limited registration UNLESS you are the right person. It's their line, their puppy, their prerogative. If they trust that person, they will sell with an open registration. If they don't trust you, you won't be getting that chance. If someone does breed a puppy on limited registration, they can't get AKC papers. The average person knows they should have papers. Without them the person won't even get 1/2 of the market price per pup. It dissuades the greeders from breeding because they know they won't make that much off the pup anyway.

I'm getting a doberman pup this summer on a limited registration and I couldn't be happier to know that my breeder cares about dobes as a breed. I'm not ready to be a breeder by any stretch of the imagination, so I wouldn't even bother asking for an open registration puppy. I don't want the responsibility of a large intact dog in my house either.

your not listening to me either you shouldnt sell to people all they way accross the country you cant keep in contact that well. and you shouldnt sell to people who you dont trust. if you kept track of everyone you sold a puppy to you wouldnt have to worry about it. and i know the worlds not all sunshine and rainbows im not saying it is. all im saying is if you have that many puppies wher eyou cant keep track of buyers and what they are doig with sold puppies you have to many. and you shouldnt have your mind set on limited registration without considering with the right person giving full registration. im not saying that everyone should be given full especially if they dont want it but if you cant trust your buyers then dont sell them to that buyer. and those that you arent sure about should be given limited registraion. but those that approach with the thought of getting full registraition shouldnt be automatically turned down. just cuz you only sell with limited registration.

Almost 99% of the time that is a fact. There is that 1% that approach reputable breeders that shows real promise and desire....However, they wouldn't just hand over a dog and say here you are have at it. A good mentor would put in the time and effort in guiding and teaching everything they can to this person. Teaching them genetics, pedigrees, having them assist in breeding and whelping....grooming, and the list goes on. It's not just a simple overnight process. This is what I consider a bonding period between mentor and student.....because there has to be a mutal trust and goals....All this is done before obtaining a dog from the breeder.

I agree with just about everything there actually. BUT, those that approach me with the idea of getting a full registration pup better have raised another well-bred pup from someone whose recommendation I trust, or one of my limited registration pups. If you can do that and I think you know you're stuff, we'll talk. Otherwise, forget it. (All hypothetical of course)

On a sidenote, most breeders have full or part time jobs and don't have the time to mentor someone. Maybe that's why they tell people to go see someone else.

ok the sad thing is we are saying the same thing i understand all of that. But like i said you cant say you only sell dogs with limited registration if that is the case and you are willing to sell to full registration to worthy buyers.
im not saying that everyone should breed etc. im just saying those that want to should be given that chance and when breeders say they only sell on limited registration there is no chance for those new breeders to try.

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Found this on TopKnot's webpage - great info - please read! :thumbup:

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

thank you that was all i wanted was to know that people who wanted to try would be given a chance. Cuz i didnt think it fair to be automatically shut down. Im not even wanting to try right now but may in the future. i want to wait and see how anna fairs first and then ill maybe give it a shot.

They can try, just not with that breeder's dogs. There are many people out there willing to mentor, you just need to find the right one and think longterm. When you prove your worth to your mentor, maybe the other breeder would be more willing to give you a puppy on open registration.

You definitely can say you only sell limited. Can you imagine how many emails you would get daily from people who think they have "what it takes" and don't know a topline from a brisket? Don't know what a stop should look like or how leg feathering should look? Or how to pottytrain? (I'm so serious unfortunately.) If someone approaches you looking for a limited puppy and you're super impressed, then you might offer them open on your terms. For a busy breeder, mentoring can be harder than it's worth sometimes and I wouldn't want people asking me to do it every five minutes.

thanks for the informative website. and new question sorry to change the subject just me trying to learn again. how does one go about showing or joining a dog club? i live in small town and their are no dog shows or etc. i think im the only one in town who owns a purebreed yorkie let alone anything else. Is there a web site where you can find dog shows in the area i would love to go watch one. daugher would love it to she loves dogs.