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yorkykisses · 01-16-2007, 08:13 PM

I also would like to add that a $1,000.00 stud fee is unreasonable in the first place! For that amount of money the stud should have many championship titles. I know of show breeders that charge under $500.00 stud fee to breed to their champions.

DesertChildAZ · 03-14-2007, 07:16 AM

I'm hoping to get one of these males (Yo) and am working with Jessica to come down to Tucson to meet with them. I don't care if they don't have papers. I'm never going to breed him anyway...he's going to be my pet and my life companion.

Papers shmapers.

JCarlson2004 · 03-14-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I would tell the breeder you are willing to pay the going rate for her stud. If he is a champion, then find out the average fee and if he is a pet do that also...since there is nothing in writing she can not force you to pay $1000 if you choose to forget the papers...
Don't be held hostage by her...I would give the pups away before I would sumit to her demands..and you will not have to give them away..but they will be less.
Best wishes

Good post.

JCarlson2004 · 03-14-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I tell people when they start breeding to treat people the way you would like to be treated.
This has happened to me a number of times...people insist on giving a puppy back instead of a fee. I have found it in my best interest to be fair...if there is one pup, then the fee is paid, if I ask for a female and males result..I either pick a male or allow the bitch owner to pay the regualr fee..NOT the price of a puppy.
The stud owner is out nothing, nothing at all, infact it is in her best interest to use her stud regularly..when money is your goal, you will always slant things in your favor. A breeder CAN NOT buy a good reputation..but they sure can ruin one very fast.

You have such a wonderful way of explaining things.

kelkiss5 · 03-15-2007, 10:31 AM

It seems to me that she is being unfair to you. Seeing there was no writing agreement who's to say that her stud done the deed anyway.
I no going down this road would,nt be moral but i dont think the breeder has many of those anyway.
I myself think that she is due her stud fees, am sure that if u had a bitch to give her you would do this. I also think that if she doesnt want fees then a boy is a good enough payment.
Anyway i hope you 2 can resolve this dispute and maybe next time you want to breed your bitch you will not use this breeder.

sweetr72 · 03-15-2007, 08:19 PM

I was always under the impression that with offering stud you either get the price of one puppy OR pick of the litter?? I guess I am way off base there...learn something new every day lol...

I guess the lesson learned is to have a written contract...

What would happen in the event that someone wanted pick of the litter and there was only one pup??

Dawn

Mardelin · 03-16-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetr72

I was always under the impression that with offering stud you either get the price of one puppy OR pick of the litter?? I guess I am way off base there...learn something new every day lol...

I guess the lesson learned is to have a written contract...

What would happen in the event that someone wanted pick of the litter and there was only one pup??

Dawn

Most reputable breeders wouldn't take a single pup. As a matter of fact one pup doesn't constitue a litter and most likely a repeat breeding would be offered.

Yes, a written contract would be the best, but remember a contract is only as good as the 2 people signing. The best thing is to know and trust the person you are dealing with.

I used a stud from my breeder/mentor, I had 1 female in the litter. By rights it was hers. When it came time to pick, she said there was no way she was taking my only female and said she'd wait until my next litter, which she did. I didn't use her stud, but she got pick of the litter.

kelkiss5 · 03-16-2007, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Most reputable breeders wouldn't take a single pup. As a matter of fact one pup doesn't constitue a litter and most likely a repeat breeding would be offered.

Yes, a written contract would be the best, but remember a contract is only as good as the 2 people signing. The best thing is to know and trust the person you are dealing with.

I used a stud from my breeder/mentor, I had 1 female in the litter. By rights it was hers. When it came time to pick, she said there was no way she was taking my only female and said she'd wait until my next litter, which she did. I didn't use her stud, but she got pick of the litter.

rachelsyorkie · 03-16-2007, 04:13 AM

I would rather pay a stud fee & keep my puppies. Most stud for $200-$500 and then you get to choose your price & homes for the puppies.

Mardelin · 03-16-2007, 04:43 AM

The stud fee is usually dependent on the stud you're using. If the stud is unproven, the stud fee should be lower. If a highly sought after stud, a Champion, #1 Yorkie in the country stud fee may be as a couple of Thousand Dollars.

There are different ways breeder/exhibitors place a fee on a stud.

genie · 03-16-2007, 08:03 AM

She sounds like a real B word.

Dorianyorkie · 03-16-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JessicaSan

I called the lady who I had the stud from and told her that I had lost three puppies and told her Lady Bella had a C-Section and that I only had two males. ( She had asked me as a fee one female and she had to pick ) And I just cant belive what she said she said she was not interested in a male puppy that I had to pay her what a female puppy would cost she said 1000.00 for the stud fee

I got so mad and told her I did not think it was fair to ask so much for the stud and she said well sorry this is what I would have sold the female for. So I said I was not going to pay her and she said she would not give me the AKC number of her boy!
I am just sooooo soooo mad!!

What can I do????

Did you have a contract with this lady? Is the dog a champion? $1000??? WOW! I believe this is more a fee of a champion stud.

Dorianyorkie · 03-16-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I also would like to add that a $1,000.00 stud fee is unreasonable in the first place! For that amount of money the stud should have many championship titles. I know of show breeders that charge under $500.00 stud fee to breed to their champions.

I completely agree with this part! For $1000 I would think that this stud must have won many championships and/or produced many champions!

yorkieaddict · 03-16-2007, 09:04 AM

My condolences for the loss of some of your puppies and your experience with the stud dog's family. Breeding is such a "what if" proposition that it is hard to predict exactly what is going to happen. Before we bred Molly we looked at a few studs and their pedigrees with record of puppies produced. All the stud owners wanted a "fee for service" which was paid at the time of service. The stud owner we found was very professional and showed us the contract that if even one puppy was produced it was considered a successful breeding. If the breeding did not produce any pups then the next stud fee would be included. He is a proven male with a very high track record and excellent pedigree. We paid $800 for the stud fee. He is studded out every few weeks and all tested for the STD- Brucellosis. Breeding is such a high risk situation.
I hope everything works out and you are able to negotiate something better. If not, I think I would just pay the money and chalk it up to a costly learning experience. Good Luck to you.

01-16-2007, 08:13 PM	#46
yorkykisses Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere Pleasant Posts: 193	I also would like to add that a $1,000.00 stud fee is unreasonable in the first place! For that amount of money the stud should have many championship titles. I know of show breeders that charge under $500.00 stud fee to breed to their champions. __________________ ~Yorkykisses~

03-14-2007, 07:16 AM	#47
DesertChildAZ YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 349	I'm hoping to get one of these males (Yo) and am working with Jessica to come down to Tucson to meet with them. I don't care if they don't have papers. I'm never going to breed him anyway...he's going to be my pet and my life companion. Papers shmapers. __________________ Don't feed your yorkies "Greenies". Their lives depend on it.

03-16-2007, 04:43 AM	#55
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	The stud fee is usually dependent on the stud you're using. If the stud is unproven, the stud fee should be lower. If a highly sought after stud, a Champion, #1 Yorkie in the country stud fee may be as a couple of Thousand Dollars. There are different ways breeder/exhibitors place a fee on a stud. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

03-16-2007, 09:04 AM	#59
yorkieaddict Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southern Calif Posts: 877	My condolences for the loss of some of your puppies and your experience with the stud dog's family. Breeding is such a "what if" proposition that it is hard to predict exactly what is going to happen. Before we bred Molly we looked at a few studs and their pedigrees with record of puppies produced. All the stud owners wanted a "fee for service" which was paid at the time of service. The stud owner we found was very professional and showed us the contract that if even one puppy was produced it was considered a successful breeding. If the breeding did not produce any pups then the next stud fee would be included. He is a proven male with a very high track record and excellent pedigree. We paid $800 for the stud fee. He is studded out every few weeks and all tested for the STD- Brucellosis. Breeding is such a high risk situation. I hope everything works out and you are able to negotiate something better. If not, I think I would just pay the money and chalk it up to a costly learning experience. Good Luck to you. __________________ My belongs to Molly, Princeton and Pinky http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p...edium=text_url

03-15-2007, 10:31 AM	#50
kelkiss5 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: ireland Posts: 660	It seems to me that she is being unfair to you. Seeing there was no writing agreement who's to say that her stud done the deed anyway. I no going down this road would,nt be moral but i dont think the breeder has many of those anyway. I myself think that she is due her stud fees, am sure that if u had a bitch to give her you would do this. I also think that if she doesnt want fees then a boy is a good enough payment. Anyway i hope you 2 can resolve this dispute and maybe next time you want to breed your bitch you will not use this breeder.

03-15-2007, 08:19 PM	#51
sweetr72 No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,111	I was always under the impression that with offering stud you either get the price of one puppy OR pick of the litter?? I guess I am way off base there...learn something new every day lol... I guess the lesson learned is to have a written contract... What would happen in the event that someone wanted pick of the litter and there was only one pup?? Dawn

03-16-2007, 04:13 AM	#54
rachelsyorkie Rachel & Tilula Belle Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 1,162	I would rather pay a stud fee & keep my puppies. Most stud for $200-$500 and then you get to choose your price & homes for the puppies.

03-16-2007, 08:03 AM	#56
genie Loves Hannah & Gracie Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: washington Posts: 1,752	She sounds like a real B word.