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Ladyhawk · 11-25-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I have never used the drug myself...if a pup is stuggling to breathe since birth he most likely wont make it past 48 hours. Swinging will no longer help clear the lungs (this should only be done right after birth). The most humane thing to do if he is truely gasping for every breath is to let him go. Sometimes administering fluids under the skin will only acerbate the breathing filling the lungs further. These littles ones the first 48 hours are so fragile and if you cant get him to breathe normal within that time its rare they will survive, further suffering with every breath they take.

I would suggest not to second guess this, take this little one to a vet that can advise you what is best. By your zip code it appears you live in west los angeles, there are several good vets in the area, many with toy breed knowledge (I lived there for 22 years). My vet has since retired (he was on Pico blvd)

JMHO

I did not find this post to be coldhearted but professional and to the point. I'm so sorry for Trini's tragic experience and the treatment that you had to endure from the vets. It's criminal that a professional would act that way. Keep tring to get Trini to nurse her pups, we'll keep you in our prays.

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 01:55 PM

Okay, so we went to the vet. He saw all three and said the larger male had no fluid and had a strong heartbeat. The smaller male he said had fluid in his lungs but had a strong heartbest as well. He gave me antibiotics for the baby and weighed them. He said it would either clear up when his breaths get bigger or he will not make it. He said pup has good will to survive. He helped me get the smaller biy to latch on. He said to hold the mther down gently and pet her so they can nurse.

IluvLucy · 11-25-2006, 02:19 PM

I'm glad you took them all to the vet. It sounds like that little guy wants to live. Poor Trini, she doesn't know what's going on! I hope she feels better soon!

Marcellacml · 11-25-2006, 02:40 PM

Congratulations on the puppies..I hope the lil one feels better soon.

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 02:49 PM

I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor.

I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age.

Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 02:49 PM

I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor.

I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age.

Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

Breny · 11-25-2006, 03:58 PM

Wow! I'm so sorry for how everything turned out. I was hoping for better news when I signed on today. How's everyone doing tonight?
You didn't mention in your post as if the Vet today said if the little one had a cleft pallate? I am one of the members who is currently raising a cleft pallate baby. She's 19 weeks old. If you need any advice - I'm here to help

My prayers are with you and Trini and her babies! Take care!

ehunney · 11-25-2006, 04:09 PM

I hope Trini and her babies feel better, hug them all for me please

Susan123 · 11-25-2006, 05:25 PM

I personally would not recommend the continuation of the swing method. If done too hard or too much it I'm sure it cause brain damage (think Shaken Baby Syndrome). It's during these times, a Delee mucous traps would come in handy really well.

There is a method of newborn puppy rescusitation called the accordian method, I've tried all day to get the file for you, but at this point memory is better than nothing. This is very vague, I apologize. I do know the according method has been very successful for c-sections babies. The gist of it is to stretch the puppy out as long as you can and then shorten it's body by pushing it's buttom up (holding the shoulders) Afterwards you want to suction the mouth.

Concerning putting a baby down, most of us are breeders and know the harsh reality of breeding. Feminstr was right to address this. Unfortunately, there are times when you have to put one down. I haven't had to do that and I pray I don't, but I've chosen to be a breeder and in doing so I'm not just giving life, but am also obligated to make the tough decisions with love and compassion.

There are some that go on to make and we pray this is one.

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 05:49 PM

Awwww....wow. This is so hard on us. So, the smaller boy latched on earlier gain (2nd time). It seems it only works when the bigger bro eats first, then I need to pull him off and little one takes. His latch on is not so strong but I am sure it will improve. I am dedicated to this one.

Anyone have any ideas of what to feed Trini besides I am doing puppy food and caned food and some milk supplememt but is there some kind of recipe that I can make her to try and bring her back to "normal weight"?

Also, the vet did not look inside his mouth but he is no longer bubbling when he eats. What the vet said was: the more puppy breathes on his own the more his lungs will expand and hopefully circulate the liquid out of there but he has a strong stable heartbeat.

I know it is early to even think about it but I have such a love and passion for yorkies I am sure I wanna breed them for good or bad. I am sad Trini was not able to be my first, I love her so much and she is so perfect to me but with the money from one of the puppies (after they are at least 16 weeks) I will hopefully get another female and continue with my passion and a lesson learned.

I am so thankful to walk away from this experience with my Trini and two of her babies.

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 05:57 PM

If she is eating the puppy food, can and supplement then that is what is best for her and the babies. Just feed her several times a day and warm it to make it special.

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacy's Mom

If she is eating the puppy food, can and supplement then that is what is best for her and the babies. Just feed her several times a day and warm it to make it special.

I will keep doing it...

BTW- he ate again...3rd time. and this time he got it better.

Does anyone have ideas for names?

The little one remindes me of Kermit the frog, lol

Here are some pics from this last feeding...

and them all cuddling afterwards

The one by himself is the little one and he latched on so well this tme. He still had milk coming out of his nose and I just suctioned it out of the area as he was eating...

daisy mae06 · 11-25-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trini&coco

Okay, so we went to the vet. He saw all three and said the larger male had no fluid and had a strong heartbeat. The smaller male he said had fluid in his lungs but had a strong heartbest as well. He gave me antibiotics for the baby and weighed them. He said it would either clear up when his breaths get bigger or he will not make it. He said pup has good will to survive. He helped me get the smaller biy to latch on. He said to hold the mther down gently and pet her so they can nurse.

I am so glad that the vet had some good news for you

I will keep all in my prayers. You are a wonderful yorkie mom

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

I am so glad that the vet had some good news for you

I will keep all in my prayers. You are a wonderful yorkie mom

Thank you...I really love these little guys!!

Breny · 11-25-2006, 07:14 PM

The milk coming out his nose still concerns me. I wish the vet would have looked in his mouth. I would deff. keep a close watch on that.....

They are soooooooooooooo cute !!!

11-25-2006, 01:55 PM	#227
trini&coco Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,340	We're back Okay, so we went to the vet. He saw all three and said the larger male had no fluid and had a strong heartbeat. The smaller male he said had fluid in his lungs but had a strong heartbest as well. He gave me antibiotics for the baby and weighed them. He said it would either clear up when his breaths get bigger or he will not make it. He said pup has good will to survive. He helped me get the smaller biy to latch on. He said to hold the mther down gently and pet her so they can nurse. __________________ Shayley Pixie Gracie Coco Trini and Their Family We wub, wub, wub YT

11-25-2006, 02:19 PM	#228
IluvLucy Lovin' Lucy & Rebel Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 4,438	I'm glad you took them all to the vet. It sounds like that little guy wants to live. Poor Trini, she doesn't know what's going on! I hope she feels better soon! __________________ Kim , Rebel ,and baby Dixie RIP my sweet Lucy

11-25-2006, 03:58 PM	#232
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	Wow! I'm so sorry for how everything turned out. I was hoping for better news when I signed on today. How's everyone doing tonight? You didn't mention in your post as if the Vet today said if the little one had a cleft pallate? I am one of the members who is currently raising a cleft pallate baby. She's 19 weeks old. If you need any advice - I'm here to help My prayers are with you and Trini and her babies! Take care! __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com

11-25-2006, 04:09 PM	#233
ehunney Princess Bella Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virginia Posts: 2,186	I hope Trini and her babies feel better, hug them all for me please __________________ I miss you two more then words can express, but I still have hope that I'll find you and hold you again! Tucker and Teddy always say: "If I want it, it's mine and if I put it in my mouth, it's food."

11-25-2006, 05:49 PM	#235
trini&coco Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,340	Awwww....wow. This is so hard on us. So, the smaller boy latched on earlier gain (2nd time). It seems it only works when the bigger bro eats first, then I need to pull him off and little one takes. His latch on is not so strong but I am sure it will improve. I am dedicated to this one. Anyone have any ideas of what to feed Trini besides I am doing puppy food and caned food and some milk supplememt but is there some kind of recipe that I can make her to try and bring her back to "normal weight"? Also, the vet did not look inside his mouth but he is no longer bubbling when he eats. What the vet said was: the more puppy breathes on his own the more his lungs will expand and hopefully circulate the liquid out of there but he has a strong stable heartbeat. I know it is early to even think about it but I have such a love and passion for yorkies I am sure I wanna breed them for good or bad. I am sad Trini was not able to be my first, I love her so much and she is so perfect to me but with the money from one of the puppies (after they are at least 16 weeks) I will hopefully get another female and continue with my passion and a lesson learned. I am so thankful to walk away from this experience with my Trini and two of her babies. __________________ Shayley Pixie Gracie Coco Trini and Their Family We wub, wub, wub YT

11-25-2006, 02:40 PM	#229
Marcellacml Cosmo, Minnie, and Lillian Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York Posts: 3,107	Congratulations on the puppies..I hope the lil one feels better soon.

11-25-2006, 02:49 PM	#230
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor. I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age. Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

11-25-2006, 02:49 PM	#231
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor. I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age. Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

11-25-2006, 05:25 PM	#234
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,455	I personally would not recommend the continuation of the swing method. If done too hard or too much it I'm sure it cause brain damage (think Shaken Baby Syndrome). It's during these times, a Delee mucous traps would come in handy really well. There is a method of newborn puppy rescusitation called the accordian method, I've tried all day to get the file for you, but at this point memory is better than nothing. This is very vague, I apologize. I do know the according method has been very successful for c-sections babies. The gist of it is to stretch the puppy out as long as you can and then shorten it's body by pushing it's buttom up (holding the shoulders) Afterwards you want to suction the mouth. Concerning putting a baby down, most of us are breeders and know the harsh reality of breeding. Feminstr was right to address this. Unfortunately, there are times when you have to put one down. I haven't had to do that and I pray I don't, but I've chosen to be a breeder and in doing so I'm not just giving life, but am also obligated to make the tough decisions with love and compassion. There are some that go on to make and we pray this is one.

11-25-2006, 05:57 PM	#236
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	If she is eating the puppy food, can and supplement then that is what is best for her and the babies. Just feed her several times a day and warm it to make it special.

11-25-2006, 07:14 PM	#240
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	The milk coming out his nose still concerns me. I wish the vet would have looked in his mouth. I would deff. keep a close watch on that..... They are soooooooooooooo cute !!! __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com