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Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 10:24 AM

Here's some information on Dopram - I would probably try to get the puppy into a regular vet (many are open at least some part of Saturdays) and see if this might work for him. Tonight or tomorrow you are going to be looking at the ER vet again and that doesn't sound pleasant and you have had enough loss already. PM Kim feminivstr and ask if she thinks it will help - I think I remember past posts of her having some experience with the drug.

Breathing Problems in new-born puppies - If a puppy is born apparantely not breathing or with breathing difficulties Dopram V is invaluable. The puppy should be kepy warm, the mouth opened, the tongue gently pulled out and the airway checked to see that is it clear and not blocked with mucus. A few drops of Dopram V under the tongue (dose depending upon the breed) will often stimulate normal breathing within seconds. Dopram is not a supplement but a potent medicine similar to that used in premature baby units.

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 10:31 AM

I did a search on Dopram and it was DazzlinYT that mentioned it in the threads that came up (still could be Kim too though).

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 10:45 AM

my Trini won't stay with her puppies, not even jut to nurse

she smells them and then walks away, even when they cry she pays it no attention...I think it is porobably because at the vet they took the puppy away and put it into an incubator as soon as it was born and did not show them to her for a couple of hours

has anyone else on here had this happen before?

the smaller one is not really sucking properly...I figure to just keep trying and practice makes prfect (better)...

feminvstr · 11-25-2006, 10:46 AM

I have never used the drug myself...if a pup is stuggling to breathe since birth he most likely wont make it past 48 hours. Swinging will no longer help clear the lungs (this should only be done right after birth). The most humane thing to do if he is truely gasping for every breath is to let him go. Sometimes administering fluids under the skin will only acerbate the breathing filling the lungs further. These littles ones the first 48 hours are so fragile and if you cant get him to breathe normal within that time its rare they will survive, further suffering with every breath they take.

I would suggest not to second guess this, take this little one to a vet that can advise you what is best. By your zip code it appears you live in west los angeles, there are several good vets in the area, many with toy breed knowledge (I lived there for 22 years). My vet has since retired (he was on Pico blvd)

JMHO

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 10:51 AM

His breathing is good but gurguly...he moves wiggles and knows how to find the warm spot in the box. He is doing better today than yesterday but I will still tey and get him to a vet today. I will find someone now...and keep you all updated!

When he is resting his breathing is quiet...when he is wiggling or searching is when it gets raspy...

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 11:05 AM

It's not uncommon for C-sections to reject the babies. You will have to hold her and pet her while they nurse. Also though it means you need to watch Mom even closer in case something else is going on.

I may be mean, but I don't routinely just put down babies, as long as they are willing to fight for their life than I am too. The majority of vets will recommend putting down cleft palates, but there are a couple on here that the owners have raised and definitely are worth the effort in my opinion. I think that "toughness" comes when you breed a lot of dogs and there is always a next litter to move on to. I also breed parrots and I am a lot more "calloused" with them, but wasn't when I first started out and only a few were born, but now I handraise so many I seem to have that attitude with them, unfortunately. It is true though that most with respiratory difficulties don't survive the first 24 to 48 hours.

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lacy's Mom

It's not uncommon for C-sections to reject the babies. You will have to hold her and pet her while they nurse. Also though it means you need to watch Mom even closer in case something else is going on.

I may be mean, but I don't routinely just put down babies, as long as they are willing to fight for their life than I am too. The majority of vets will recommend putting down cleft palates, but there are a couple on here that the owners have raised and definitely are worth the effort in my opinion. I think that "toughness" comes when you breed a lot of dogs and there is always a next litter to move on to. I also breed parrots and I am a lot more "calloused" with them, but wasn't when I first started out and only a few were born, but now I handraise so many I seem to have that attitude with them, unfortunately. It is true though that most with respiratory difficulties don't survive the first 24 to 48 hours.

He is fighting, poor baby but he is really doing well. I am going to take him to the vet shortly and the vet said to bring the mom and 2 pups in. I am going to do whatever it takes. I believe this one can be saved, he does not seem to be suffering, just trying hard. I will hold the mom so they can nurse. So far she is following me around and wants to be with me. Earlier I held her for about 20 mins petting her and then reched for the two puppies and had them join us. She stayed for about 1-2 mins and then got up and left me with the babies.

I will keep trying and supplementing.

Thank you all again so much!

feminvstr · 11-25-2006, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacy's Mom

It's not uncommon for C-sections to reject the babies. You will have to hold her and pet her while they nurse. Also though it means you need to watch Mom even closer in case something else is going on.

I may be mean, but I don't routinely just put down babies, as long as they are willing to fight for their life than I am too. The majority of vets will recommend putting down cleft palates, but there are a couple on here that the owners have raised and definitely are worth the effort in my opinion. I think that "toughness" comes when you breed a lot of dogs and there is always a next litter to move on to. I also breed parrots and I am a lot more "calloused" with them, but wasn't when I first started out and only a few were born, but now I handraise so many I seem to have that attitude with them, unfortunately. It is true though that most with respiratory difficulties don't survive the first 24 to 48 hours.

now I am sorry but that was uncalled for....imagine a puppy (24-48 hour old) struggling to breath, gasping, throw up blood and go into full on body convolutions fighting for the final breath...you may want to re-think why I said SOMETIMES it is more humane!

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 11:25 AM

That was Trin with her puppies last night...the "favorite" of last night is by her neck.

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 11:26 AM

Maybe I missed a post, but I don't think this puppy is in that severe of a condition.

I am glad you are taking them in - I know you've already put out a lot of money at the er vets, but I don't think they have actually gotten any good vet care yet.

Lacy's Mom · 11-25-2006, 11:28 AM

The puppies are adorable, nice shiny coats!

trini&coco · 11-25-2006, 11:29 AM

uh, oh! I didn't know all that could happen. He does not seem that bad, I hope he is not...He is looking for his mommy now and here is a pic of her and what she is doing now. I think she is upset that she is in pain...

My heart is breaking for all of them...

feminvstr · 11-25-2006, 12:15 PM

for the record I HAVE NEVER PUT A PUPPY DOWN! I have held 24 hour vigilence in a pup from China that never had steady breathing only to watch her die a very painful death 48 hours later because of fluid on the lungs and gasping for her breaths, it is awful to watch these babies struggle, that image remains in my mind today very vivid and heart breaking.

pixie queen · 11-25-2006, 12:36 PM

hi i have been reading this post from begining and looking at the pups they seem well shiny coats and nice bellys

may i also say my dog went of going to her babies so i just petted her for a while then sat with her in the pen and stroked her and spoke to her while she fed and nursed the pups

one of the pups wouldn't suckle but i was patient and kept putting it to her niple and in the end she fed

good luck

daisy mae06 · 11-25-2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

for the record I HAVE NEVER PUT A PUPPY DOWN! I have held 24 hour vigilence in a pup from China that never had steady breathing only to watch her die a very painful death 48 hours later because of fluid on the lungs and gasping for her breaths, it is awful to watch these babies struggle, that image remains in my mind today very vivid and heart breaking.

Can we please focus on Trini and her sons ,not the puting puppiies down I agree that In most cases if the pup has no will to live it is right to h.p.t.s. But we are not there with these pups and the post is on how to help them. IMO if you need to debate things start a new thread or PM.

Trini' mom ......I Sure hope all went well at the vets please update soon.

The vet askeed you to bring mom and pups in Because she should be with them both they need her and also the vet can check them all over and make sure they are ok

11-25-2006, 10:45 AM	#213
trini&coco Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,340	my Trini won't stay with her puppies, not even jut to nurse she smells them and then walks away, even when they cry she pays it no attention...I think it is porobably because at the vet they took the puppy away and put it into an incubator as soon as it was born and did not show them to her for a couple of hours has anyone else on here had this happen before? the smaller one is not really sucking properly...I figure to just keep trying and practice makes prfect (better)... __________________ Shayley Pixie Gracie Coco Trini and Their Family We wub, wub, wub YT

11-25-2006, 10:46 AM	#214
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	I have never used the drug myself...if a pup is stuggling to breathe since birth he most likely wont make it past 48 hours. Swinging will no longer help clear the lungs (this should only be done right after birth). The most humane thing to do if he is truely gasping for every breath is to let him go. Sometimes administering fluids under the skin will only acerbate the breathing filling the lungs further. These littles ones the first 48 hours are so fragile and if you cant get him to breathe normal within that time its rare they will survive, further suffering with every breath they take. I would suggest not to second guess this, take this little one to a vet that can advise you what is best. By your zip code it appears you live in west los angeles, there are several good vets in the area, many with toy breed knowledge (I lived there for 22 years). My vet has since retired (he was on Pico blvd) JMHO __________________ Kimberly

11-25-2006, 10:51 AM	#215
trini&coco Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,340	His breathing is good but gurguly...he moves wiggles and knows how to find the warm spot in the box. He is doing better today than yesterday but I will still tey and get him to a vet today. I will find someone now...and keep you all updated! When he is resting his breathing is quiet...when he is wiggling or searching is when it gets raspy... __________________ Shayley Pixie Gracie Coco Trini and Their Family We wub, wub, wub YT

11-25-2006, 12:15 PM	#223
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	for the record I HAVE NEVER PUT A PUPPY DOWN! I have held 24 hour vigilence in a pup from China that never had steady breathing only to watch her die a very painful death 48 hours later because of fluid on the lungs and gasping for her breaths, it is awful to watch these babies struggle, that image remains in my mind today very vivid and heart breaking. __________________ Kimberly

11-25-2006, 12:36 PM	#224
pixie queen Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UNITED KINGDOM Posts: 55	pups hi i have been reading this post from begining and looking at the pups they seem well shiny coats and nice bellys may i also say my dog went of going to her babies so i just petted her for a while then sat with her in the pen and stroked her and spoke to her while she fed and nursed the pups one of the pups wouldn't suckle but i was patient and kept putting it to her niple and in the end she fed good luck

11-25-2006, 10:24 AM	#211
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	Here's some information on Dopram - I would probably try to get the puppy into a regular vet (many are open at least some part of Saturdays) and see if this might work for him. Tonight or tomorrow you are going to be looking at the ER vet again and that doesn't sound pleasant and you have had enough loss already. PM Kim feminivstr and ask if she thinks it will help - I think I remember past posts of her having some experience with the drug. Breathing Problems in new-born puppies - If a puppy is born apparantely not breathing or with breathing difficulties Dopram V is invaluable. The puppy should be kepy warm, the mouth opened, the tongue gently pulled out and the airway checked to see that is it clear and not blocked with mucus. A few drops of Dopram V under the tongue (dose depending upon the breed) will often stimulate normal breathing within seconds. Dopram is not a supplement but a potent medicine similar to that used in premature baby units.

11-25-2006, 10:31 AM	#212
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I did a search on Dopram and it was DazzlinYT that mentioned it in the threads that came up (still could be Kim too though).

11-25-2006, 11:05 AM	#216
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	It's not uncommon for C-sections to reject the babies. You will have to hold her and pet her while they nurse. Also though it means you need to watch Mom even closer in case something else is going on. I may be mean, but I don't routinely just put down babies, as long as they are willing to fight for their life than I am too. The majority of vets will recommend putting down cleft palates, but there are a couple on here that the owners have raised and definitely are worth the effort in my opinion. I think that "toughness" comes when you breed a lot of dogs and there is always a next litter to move on to. I also breed parrots and I am a lot more "calloused" with them, but wasn't when I first started out and only a few were born, but now I handraise so many I seem to have that attitude with them, unfortunately. It is true though that most with respiratory difficulties don't survive the first 24 to 48 hours.

11-25-2006, 11:26 AM	#220
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	Maybe I missed a post, but I don't think this puppy is in that severe of a condition. I am glad you are taking them in - I know you've already put out a lot of money at the er vets, but I don't think they have actually gotten any good vet care yet.

11-25-2006, 11:28 AM	#221
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	The puppies are adorable, nice shiny coats!