How to Euthanize

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by Hannah

Here's where I don't agree. I don't think it is a valid question! What does one need to learn here? That it is inhumane and sadistic to toss an innocent living thing in the freezer to die?! Sorry, uh-uh, that boat don't float with me. Anyone with a conscience and a preschool education should be able to figure that question out. Sorry if I sound mad, because I am!

I totally said that I disagree with the thought of doing this, let alone do it! But if she read it in a book and decided to ask the question there should not be a problem with that.. This is a forum for people to share and learn and NO we will not all agree with each other, but at least she asked.. She placed it in the breeders thread and NO one should be made to feel that they cannot ask a question without alot of backlash.. Even though the thought of someone actually doing this makes me ill, at least she ask..

[dray]

It is interesting to read all of this, and it does remind me of years ago and what we were told to do if this ever happened. But this does go on today in the Petco stores and probably many others. It is the way they deal with injured small creatures, they are put in the freezer.
So don't be to hard on the woman that ask the question as she was just trying to learn, and yes it was done and it probably still goes on, I can bet you no puppy mill pays to have a puppy put down.

So tonight we can pray for the puppies.

Debbie Ray
sumtoiyorkies

[DazzlinYT]

Hypothetical Question...what would you do if you had a puppy (God forbid) Born with all of its chest open and its insides on the outside, heart beating and gasping for air? You KNOW this puppy is not going to live.. what do you do? 1. Drive to the ER Vet and have it put down? What if along the way on the drive it is suffering? 2. Do you snap it's neck quickly? What WOULD you do in a situation like that? God forbid this EVER happens to anyone, but Do you let the baby gasp and suffer while you drive? Why not keep something on hand to be able to euthanize a puppy? I have never been faced with something like this, or had to make a decision like this, but I know people who have, and what they have done...so what would YOU do?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Hannah

Here's where I don't agree. I don't think it is a valid question! What does one need to learn here? That it is inhumane and sadistic to toss an innocent living thing in the freezer to die?! Sorry, uh-uh, that boat don't float with me. Anyone with a conscience and a preschool education should be able to figure that question out. Sorry if I sound mad, because I am!

What one needed to learn here, is that euthanizing is a fact of life. It is a reality that breeders have to deal with. And there may be circumstances where one cannot get to the vet or the vet to them. In a perfect world this would not be a valid question, but this world is not perfect and if you have a puppy born with it's insides exposed and it is in pain, and the mother is not through whelping, and weather conditions do not allow for a rush to the vet. Be realistic these things can and do happen more often than one would like to think.

And FYI I have a bachelors degree, but I did not go to preschool. Skipped that and kindergarten too.

What I have learned from this is it is a topic that breeders do not care to discuss in a forum where there are non breeders because some non breeders like to believe that puppies come into this world all clean and cute and furry and there is never a problem or a tough decision to be made. Maybe even grow inside flowers and the breeders just pick them

I did not assume that the decision to euthanize would ever be taken lightly but it would be my choice over letting the poor little thing lie there in pain. I just wanted to know if breeders used this method or how they did it.

I don't believe you are just mad you are also very nieve

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

Hypothetical Question...what would you do if you had a puppy (God forbid) Born with all of its chest open and its insides on the outside, heart beating and gasping for air? You KNOW this puppy is not going to live.. what do you do? 1. Drive to the ER Vet and have it put down? What if along the way on the drive it is suffering? 2. Do you snap it's neck quickly? What WOULD you do in a situation like that? God forbid this EVER happens to anyone, but Do you let the baby gasp and suffer while you drive? Why not keep something on hand to be able to euthanize a puppy? I have never been faced with something like this, or had to make a decision like this, but I know people who have, and what they have done...so what would YOU do?

Thank you that is a little more graphic than my scenario, but some of these people are having a tough time with the subtleties so apparently they need a picture, in color.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by parker'smom

The original poster may (and probably does) have the exact same emotions regarding this practice as the rest of us. I commend her on having the courage to bring it up for discussion. Many people don't think of things that could possibly go wrong when they breed their dogs, and not just yorkies. What would you do in situation when a vet wasn't readily available, and you had a newborn puppy that was obviously suffering, and would probably die on its own, but may suffer tremendously before then. I think the freezer is extreme, but really... would you want it to suffer for hours before you could get it to a vet to humanely euthanize it. I think everyone needs to stop and think about how they would feel in this situation. It is a personal, ethical issue that we each need to decide within our own morals, and not judge others for how they decide to handle the situation, as everyone and every situation is different.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

Hypothetical Question...what would you do if you had a puppy (God forbid) Born with all of its chest open and its insides on the outside, heart beating and gasping for air? You KNOW this puppy is not going to live.. what do you do? 1. Drive to the ER Vet and have it put down? What if along the way on the drive it is suffering? 2. Do you snap it's neck quickly? What WOULD you do in a situation like that? God forbid this EVER happens to anyone, but Do you let the baby gasp and suffer while you drive? Why not keep something on hand to be able to euthanize a puppy? I have never been faced with something like this, or had to make a decision like this, but I know people who have, and what they have done...so what would YOU do?

Wow, I can't even beging to imagine what I would do. This is why I could never be a breeder. Stuff like this just breaks my heart.

[JeanieK]

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

Wow! That took a lot of courage! You should be commended for doing so.

[ehunney]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Wow! That took a lot of courage! You should be commended for doing so.

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

Way to go!! You are exactly right this is a public forum and it does NOT belong to a select few! Anyone has the right to come to this forum and ask questions and not be in fear of the backlash they may receive.. I commend you for the courage you just showed!

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

Good for you...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

.

You go girl!

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by Hannah

Here's where I don't agree. I don't think it is a valid question! What does one need to learn here? That it is inhumane and sadistic to toss an innocent living thing in the freezer to die?! Sorry, uh-uh, that boat don't float with me. Anyone with a conscience and a preschool education should be able to figure that question out. Sorry if I sound mad, because I am!

This IS the breeder section of this forum. There are always going to be questions asked that some of you may not like to hear about. If not, then don't. I feel very fortunate to have places to discuss things that breeders are faced with. If I ever have a legitimate question concerning the practices of some breeders whether I agree with it or not, please feel free to skip my thread as I wouldn't want to offend you for my having a brain that tends to be of the curious nature. I enjoy breeding very much. But there is a sad side to it at times that those who aren't involved in it would never understand. I PERSONALLY KNOW SOMEONE WHO'S VET TOLD THEM TO USE THE FREEZOR METHOD OF EUTHANIZING, and it appalled me. Being that I already knew of this practice, I never thought to bring it up. Now that it has been brought up, I am glad it was because for me personally it has opened my eyes on many things. Especially yorkierose's thoughts on the matter. Maybe now I will be able to better educate the breeder that I know who was told by a VET to do this. So again, I say thank you to the orignal poster for bringing it up. One person's post can help many people sometimes whether they even realize it or not. NEVER BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS. There is no other way to learn if you don't.

[YorkieRose]

I got a call one time from a Yorkie breeder near me..she had a pup born with its brain on the outside of the skull. It was late, Emergancy wanted $330 to put this pup down...that was insane. I told her to leave it with the mom until morning..she called back, the mom would not stop licking the pups head and it was screaming. I told her to take the pup away from the mom..she called back again! Pup was crying and the mother could hear it no matter where she put it in the house, the mom was frantic..so I got out of bed and took her a pill...the next day she called her MD for a presciption of her own.