Breeder Responsibilities?

[whispersmom2]

Karin, I agree with you. All of our concern about LS now has overshadowed the fact that to fast a tiny for 8-12 hours to do the BA test is as dangerous as can be..We have to weigh the good against the bad and then make decisions about the testing we do..

[luvdorkyyorkies]

?? was this post at the correct Thread?

[twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by Christman19

First of all I am very sorry for your loss!!
My first thought was liver shunt, but the autopsy cleared that up. She was very tiny, and I was wondering if she died of low blood sugar. Did you give her Nutrical, by any chance? This is exactly why I would never put puppies under this kind of testing, unless there is real reason for concern about LS. Many breeders do, but there has been no gene found to this day, that is linked to LS. Letting a small puppy go without food and water is very dangerous.
Lp is another issue, always ask when buying a puppy if the knees are sound. Never buy a puppy less then 12 weeks old, and make sure they are big enough to be shipped.
Again ,I am sorry! Karin

Yes, I always had Nutrical on hand and sometimes after her morning feeding I would give her a light mixture of sugar water with a syringe to wash everything down.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Karin, I agree with you. All of our concern about LS now has overshadowed the fact that to fast a tiny for 8-12 hours to do the BA test is as dangerous as can be..We have to weigh the good against the bad and then make decisions about the testing we do..

I most definitely agree. Doing a Blood panel aka pre anesthetic blood work without any fasting. The results tell you if the BA levels are normal or not. If they are not normal then there should be a concern of LS. There is no reason why that can't be done by a breeder. I urge all those lookign for a puppy to ask their breeder to do a full blood panel on the puppy to be and send you the results.

I understand Amy's frustration. We always blame ourselves when things like this happen. Please be at piece and accept the fact that you did everything you could at that time. Now, you are more aware for the next bundle of joy that comes along. Hugs to you Amy!!

Irene

[twinkletoes]

Linda,
I am writing you this letter to inform you that I am not satisfied with your offer of $500.00 with shipping included for a 6 pound female replacement puppy. I am refusing the offer because I do not feel that I should have to pay any additional fees to you. I took the highest level of care and did everything you told me to and more to keep Zoe safe and healthy, and despite my best efforts she is no longer here. I have receipts and plenty of witnesses to prove the care that I had given to her. I spent $2,000.00 for Zoe and $316.00 ($16.00 was a paypal fee) to have her shipped here. This is a large amount of money for such a short time, I feel like I paid for a broken heart. After talking to several breeders and my vet, no, not all dogs have "popping knees". I had Zoe's knees checked out by my vet here in Gillette and he told me that she had "luxating patellas" he also stated that her right knee was most likely out of place more than it was in place and that it would be an expensive surgery. This is something that you certainly would have noticed, since you had her for 5 months of her life (I noticed it the first time I picked her up and held her against my chest, they would pop every time). You failed to inform me about this before I had purchased her. "Luxating patellas" are a genetic defect. Obviously her knees did not have anything to do with her death but, the fact that she had this defect is grounds for replacement on it's own. Something much minor, but, important to mention is that she had two rows of teeth (baby and adult) when I had received her, again, more costly surgery, which would not have been a problem if I would have known about it or if it had happened over time. I had an appointment for her to be spayed, to have her baby teeth removed, and to have her knees checked out again at the Sheridan, Wyoming Vet clinic on 12/29/2005 - you are more than welcome to call and verify 307-674-4111. The autopsy report is on it's way to you for your viewing. As you will see, the results are not 100% due to the freezing and thawing. What it all boils down to is that you should do what is right in your heart to be a caring and responsible breeder. I loved Zoe with everything that I had and by no means was she ever neglected, mistreated, or put on a back burner. She had all of her regular vet. visits (I have all of the bills to prove it), I fed her the very best foods, gave her the best vitamins, watched constantly for signs of low sugar, and kept her clean and loved always.
Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon, Amy Yake

[twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

Hi Amy,
Everyone and YOU know you did everything you knew to do. When your puppy went into the vet, they are responsible to know and test.
There is not a doubt in this world you were an excellent mommy to this lil girl, That Im sure of!! Dont doubt yourself........when something bad goes wrong I always do the same thing. If I would of, could of, should of......but really its true hindsight is 20/20. ...........The truth is try your hardiest what happened wasnt your fault. I get the distinct feeling you were above the call of duty here.
Truly the breeder should be kind and send you a new puppy without any cost to you. I really think that would be the right thing to do.

Kelly,
Yes, I blame myself for all bad and I worry about EVERYTHING.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Amy,
Bless your heart.
Let us know how wonderful your puppy is when you recieve her.
Wishing you all happiness.

[Christman19]

The problem with Lp, sometimes it doesn't show up until later. I have 3 Yorkies with Lp. My Lexie was born with it, because she had it at the age of 6 month, my other two developed the condition not until they were 9 and yes 13 month old. So see, yes we all need to ask about LP in the puppy and parents, as almost 80% of Chi's and Yorkies have it.
Karin

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by twinkletoes

Linda,
I am writing you this letter to inform you that I am not satisfied with your offer of $500.00 with shipping included for a 6 pound female replacement puppy. I am refusing the offer because I do not feel that I should have to pay any additional fees to you. I took the highest level of care and did everything you told me to and more to keep Zoe safe and healthy, and despite my best efforts she is no longer here. I have receipts and plenty of witnesses to prove the care that I had given to her. I spent $2,000.00 for Zoe and $316.00 ($16.00 was a paypal fee) to have her shipped here. This is a large amount of money for such a short time, I feel like I paid for a broken heart. After talking to several breeders and my vet, no, not all dogs have "popping knees". I had Zoe's knees checked out by my vet here in Gillette and he told me that she had "luxating patellas" he also stated that her right knee was most likely out of place more than it was in place and that it would be an expensive surgery. This is something that you certainly would have noticed, since you had her for 5 months of her life (I noticed it the first time I picked her up and held her against my chest, they would pop every time). You failed to inform me about this before I had purchased her. "Luxating patellas" are a genetic defect. Obviously her knees did not have anything to do with her death but, the fact that she had this defect is grounds for replacement on it's own. Something much minor, but, important to mention is that she had two rows of teeth (baby and adult) when I had received her, again, more costly surgery, which would not have been a problem if I would have known about it or if it had happened over time. I had an appointment for her to be spayed, to have her baby teeth removed, and to have her knees checked out again at the Sheridan, Wyoming Vet clinic on 12/29/2005 - you are more than welcome to call and verify 307-674-4111. The autopsy report is on it's way to you for your viewing. As you will see, the results are not 100% due to the freezing and thawing. What it all boils down to is that you should do what is right in your heart to be a caring and responsible breeder. I loved Zoe with everything that I had and by no means was she ever neglected, mistreated, or put on a back burner. She had all of her regular vet. visits (I have all of the bills to prove it), I fed her the very best foods, gave her the best vitamins, watched constantly for signs of low sugar, and kept her clean and loved always.
Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon, Amy Yake

That sounds good. Good luck

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by twinkletoes

Linda,
I am writing you this letter to inform you that I am not satisfied with your offer of $500.00 with shipping included for a 6 pound female replacement puppy. I am refusing the offer because I do not feel that I should have to pay any additional fees to you. I took the highest level of care and did everything you told me to and more to keep Zoe safe and healthy, and despite my best efforts she is no longer here. I have receipts and plenty of witnesses to prove the care that I had given to her. I spent $2,000.00 for Zoe and $316.00 ($16.00 was a paypal fee) to have her shipped here. This is a large amount of money for such a short time, I feel like I paid for a broken heart. After talking to several breeders and my vet, no, not all dogs have "popping knees". I had Zoe's knees checked out by my vet here in Gillette and he told me that she had "luxating patellas" he also stated that her right knee was most likely out of place more than it was in place and that it would be an expensive surgery. This is something that you certainly would have noticed, since you had her for 5 months of her life (I noticed it the first time I picked her up and held her against my chest, they would pop every time). You failed to inform me about this before I had purchased her. "Luxating patellas" are a genetic defect. Obviously her knees did not have anything to do with her death but, the fact that she had this defect is grounds for replacement on it's own. Something much minor, but, important to mention is that she had two rows of teeth (baby and adult) when I had received her, again, more costly surgery, which would not have been a problem if I would have known about it or if it had happened over time. I had an appointment for her to be spayed, to have her baby teeth removed, and to have her knees checked out again at the Sheridan, Wyoming Vet clinic on 12/29/2005 - you are more than welcome to call and verify 307-674-4111. The autopsy report is on it's way to you for your viewing. As you will see, the results are not 100% due to the freezing and thawing. What it all boils down to is that you should do what is right in your heart to be a caring and responsible breeder. I loved Zoe with everything that I had and by no means was she ever neglected, mistreated, or put on a back burner. She had all of her regular vet. visits (I have all of the bills to prove it), I fed her the very best foods, gave her the best vitamins, watched constantly for signs of low sugar, and kept her clean and loved always.
Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon, Amy Yake

Great letter and lots of heart, but you should include what you would like her to do: replacement pup at no cost, money back..

All the best and I'm so sorry about your loss.

[i_luv_yorkies2]

I am sooo sorry to hear about your puppy. I hope you can hold the breeder responsible. I also dont feel you should have to pay an additional fee. I also would be afraid to get another Yorkie from that breeder. If I did I sure wouldnt pay for it. I will keep you in my prayers.

[i_luv_yorkies2]

The letter was great!!!!!! Just wondering if you have heard back from the breeder? I wish you the best.

[Princessyorkies]

I am so sorry for your loss. The little ones can sure take over your heart.
As for the teeth this is common in the smaller yorkies and not a big problem honestly. Sometimes they will fall out on their own by at least 8 or 9 months and sometimes a bit longer. But more so than not you will have to have them pulled.
Did they check for hypoglycemia on your little baby? As that is what I would have checked out first. The little ones can go down so fast and unless the breeder told you what to watch for you wouldn't know. Then I would have had them check for Liver hunt as that would be my second guess.
As for the luxtating patellas the breeder certainly would have know anout the knees and should have been honest and told you of this.
If the tets could prove it was something genetic with your baby then by all means if that's what your contract stated then the breeder should make it right with you. Which sounds like she is willing to since she offered you another pup.
I would certainly check this breeder out a little more than what maybe you did in the beginning. From what I have read on the posts here I am not at all sure about her, but you can never go by here say.
My thoughts are with oyu.

[brittanyBug]

Im so sorry for your loss. I hope you get the answers you need.

[twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

I am so sorry for your loss. The little ones can sure take over your heart.
As for the teeth this is common in the smaller yorkies and not a big problem honestly. Sometimes they will fall out on their own by at least 8 or 9 months and sometimes a bit longer. But more so than not you will have to have them pulled.
Did they check for hypoglycemia on your little baby? As that is what I would have checked out first. The little ones can go down so fast and unless the breeder told you what to watch for you wouldn't know. Then I would have had them check for Liver hunt as that would be my second guess.
As for the luxtating patellas the breeder certainly would have know anout the knees and should have been honest and told you of this.
If the tets could prove it was something genetic with your baby then by all means if that's what your contract stated then the breeder should make it right with you. Which sounds like she is willing to since she offered you another pup.
I would certainly check this breeder out a little more than what maybe you did in the beginning. From what I have read on the posts here I am not at all sure about her, but you can never go by here say.
My thoughts are with oyu.

As far as I know she wasn't tested for anything. The vet. rushed me into the waiting room and I sat for about a half hour and he came back and told me that she had passed. It makes me so mad now when I think about it because he never once asked to take blood test or anything that would give him an idea how to treat her.