Breeder Responsibilities?

[whispersmom2]

A friend bought a Yorkie male from a person (notice I rarely say breeder when I am talking about these jack-asses) in NE. He was supposedly a certain age and weighed a certain amt. Well, his weight was off by 2+ pounds and it was obvious that he was much younger than she was told. AND, the reg. papers were non-existent-AKC had no record of the litter--so very little of the info was the truth. That happens so often...

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

A friend bought a Yorkie male from a person (notice I rarely say breeder when I am talking about these jack-asses) in NE. He was supposedly a certain age and weighed a certain amt. Well, his weight was off by 2+ pounds and it was obvious that he was much younger than she was told. AND, the reg. papers were non-existent-AKC had no record of the litter--so very little of the info was the truth. That happens so often...

Can you give me the name of this breeder/person/jackass? I live just across the river from NE and would not want to do business with them. I am currently dealing with a NE breeder for a male. I doubt that this is the same person, but it would be nice to know.

[twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Can you give me the name of this breeder/person/jackass? I live just across the river from NE and would not want to do business with them. I am currently dealing with a NE breeder for a male. I doubt that this is the same person, but it would be nice to know.

Linda Golden

[bubbles4blossom]

I am so sorry for your loss.She looks so cute in those pictures.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by twinkletoes

Linda Golden

Thank you Amy, but that question was directed to Rini about the NE breeder/person/jackass.

There was a post on one of the other forums by a member named LovinMyYorkie, from Spearfish SD, that had gotten a puppy from a breeder in outstate Neb.

Jeanie

[scrapindee]

I'm not an attorney, but I would contact the credit card company immediately by phone and in writing and advise them you were sold a defective puppy that died from this breedfer and ask them to reverse the charge and give you back your money. The credit card company will do this, while they investigate. If they don't find in your favor you can appeal the decision.

This then allows you to recoup your money while you find a new puppy to love.

I am so sorry for what you went through. It sounds like you did all the right things for Zoe; my prayers are with you.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

I wanted to say Im so sorry for your loss of your lil angel.....what a pretty tiny girl Zoe was.
Your breeder certainly wasnt responsible by selling her to you and not disclosing her knee problems. Not all small dogs have luxating patella, but its not uncommon. By her response it sounds as if its routine for her to sell her dogs with this problem and for her not to think twice about it. If shes breeding it into her dogs it might be true. "All her dogs might have it" by ignorance she might really think all the lil ones end up with it. Thats sad.
It really upsets me the vet didnt do more for Zoe. Especially with her size they should have kept her, put her on antibiotics something more!
Did they do a fecal (stool) exam at all? With diarrhea you would think that would be the first check.......checking for coccidia or HGE, a bacterial infection or worms. Sending her home with a bland diet alone was not enough.
ASet back is having her for 2 months, the diarrhea may have not been from a genetic condition.
With coccidia the incubation time is approximately 13 days, so this would be something that would have happened after leaving the breeder. With the autopsy being inconclusive it would be hard to prove a genetic problem causing death.
If you have all correspondence though from her and she never disclosed her knee problems then you might have something there, especially if you found someone else who had this problem with their puppy too.
Im absolutely not an attorney by any means, I just wanted to bring up its possible the diarrhea, not eating was not caused by a genetic condition or fault of the breeder (such as infections coming from her home)
Again Im so sorry, I can tell you I understand how you feel, I had a puppy sold to me with liver shunt a few years ago, she died, and it is still painful to think about it. The breeder never offered me a thing, except the door and I never pursued it. I should have.
I think I would let the breeder know, you know, not all dogs have knee problems. Maybe you could teach her a thing or two.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

I'm not an attorney, but I would contact the credit card company immediately by phone and in writing and advise them you were sold a defective puppy that died from this breedfer and ask them to reverse the charge and give you back your money. The credit card company will do this, while they investigate. If they don't find in your favor you can appeal the decision.

This then allows you to recoup your money while you find a new puppy to love.

I am so sorry for what you went through. It sounds like you did all the right things for Zoe; my prayers are with you.

That is an excellent idea!!! Why didn't I think of that.

[shyorkies]

I am so sorry for your loss and what you have had to go through, including your family and Zoe.. I personally think this breeder should do the right thing.. If she is a loving reputable breeder she will!

Yes it is very common for a tiny to small yorkie to retain their puppy teeth while receiving their adult teeth.. I always recommend to new owners to have the vet check for puppy teeth while they are being spay/neutered and pull them at the same time.. I also agree with what has been said about her glucose level and if that was not the problem they should have checked her liver function with a acid bile test.. Yorkie that have a liver shunt or sometimes liver issue will be smaller than average in weight and size..

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers..

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

I'm not an attorney, but I would contact the credit card company immediately by phone and in writing and advise them you were sold a defective puppy that died from this breedfer and ask them to reverse the charge and give you back your money. The credit card company will do this, while they investigate. If they don't find in your favor you can appeal the decision.

This then allows you to recoup your money while you find a new puppy to love.

I am so sorry for what you went through. It sounds like you did all the right things for Zoe; my prayers are with you.

Great idea!!!!!!!!!!

[red98vett]

I think that you only have a 30 day window to dispute any charges on your credit card...Amy said the problems started about 2 months after she paid in her original post.....

Anything is worth a shot though....Since I've never had a CC dispute I'm not positive... but there is a time limit in which you have to file a report. So IF you decide to try this Amy - now is the time

Good luck again Amy and again...I'm so sorry for your loss

[twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

I wanted to say Im so sorry for your loss of your lil angel.....what a pretty tiny girl Zoe was.
Your breeder certainly wasnt responsible by selling her to you and not disclosing her knee problems. Not all small dogs have luxating patella, but its not uncommon. By her response it sounds as if its routine for her to sell her dogs with this problem and for her not to think twice about it. If shes breeding it into her dogs it might be true. "All her dogs might have it" by ignorance she might really think all the lil ones end up with it. Thats sad.
It really upsets me the vet didnt do more for Zoe. Especially with her size they should have kept her, put her on antibiotics something more!
Did they do a fecal (stool) exam at all? With diarrhea you would think that would be the first check.......checking for coccidia or HGE, a bacterial infection or worms. Sending her home with a bland diet alone was not enough.
ASet back is having her for 2 months, the diarrhea may have not been from a genetic condition.
With coccidia the incubation time is approximately 13 days, so this would be something that would have happened after leaving the breeder. With the autopsy being inconclusive it would be hard to prove a genetic problem causing death.
If you have all correspondence though from her and she never disclosed her knee problems then you might have something there, especially if you found someone else who had this problem with their puppy too.
Im absolutely not an attorney by any means, I just wanted to bring up its possible the diarrhea, not eating was not caused by a genetic condition or fault of the breeder (such as infections coming from her home)
Again Im so sorry, I can tell you I understand how you feel, I had a puppy sold to me with liver shunt a few years ago, she died, and it is still painful to think about it. The breeder never offered me a thing, except the door and I never pursued it. I should have.
I think I would let the breeder know, you know, not all dogs have knee problems. Maybe you could teach her a thing or two.

The only testing they did was a Parvo and that was because I brought her back in and asked for it. I had no idea it was so serious because the vet. was very calm, like it wasn't a big deal, more like "poor baby, hope she feels better". So I assumed he knew what he was talking about and that I shouldn't be alarmed. In turn, I thought that "it" would pass if I watched every move she made, feed her the right things (I made sure she ate at least every 3 hours durring the night), made sure she got plenty of fluids, and bring her back in if she worsened. If I knew then what I know now I would have demanded test from the very first visit. They never offered to take a stool sample, nothing.
As for the diarrhea being a result of a genetic abnormality, I have no idea and you're right, it will be a hard one to prove. and maybe it had nothing to do with her genetically. That's why I'm so confused on what to do. But, knowing that the breeder had to of known about her bad knees before her shipment (she kept her for 5 months) and didn't say a word to me, it makes me wonder if there wasn't more that she hadn't told me. Amy

[luvdorkyyorkies]

Hi Amy,
Everyone and YOU know you did everything you knew to do. When your puppy went into the vet, they are responsible to know and test.
There is not a doubt in this world you were an excellent mommy to this lil girl, That Im sure of!! Dont doubt yourself........when something bad goes wrong I always do the same thing. If I would of, could of, should of......but really its true hindsight is 20/20. ...........The truth is try your hardiest what happened wasnt your fault. I get the distinct feeling you were above the call of duty here.
Truly the breeder should be kind and send you a new puppy without any cost to you. I really think that would be the right thing to do.

[Christman19]

First of all I am very sorry for your loss!!
My first thought was liver shunt, but the autopsy cleared that up. She was very tiny, and I was wondering if she died of low blood sugar. Did you give her Nutrical, by any chance? This is exactly why I would never put puppies under this kind of testing, unless there is real reason for concern about LS. Many breeders do, but there has been no gene found to this day, that is linked to LS. Letting a small puppy go without food and water is very dangerous.
Lp is another issue, always ask when buying a puppy if the knees are sound. Never buy a puppy less then 12 weeks old, and make sure they are big enough to be shipped.
Again ,I am sorry! Karin

[luvdorkyyorkies]

I believe if a puppy is fed religiously every three hours and they still have bouts of hypoglycemia, the problem goes much further then low blood sugar.
But that is just my theory and my theory alone.
Another theory I have is this, a good breeder doesnt make people ask questions about knees. If they have the problem and its known before selling puppy, it is TOLD to the possible buyer. They should not have to ask. Its called withholding the truth or plain lying.
I do have a passion for people being treated right. This is one of those cases.
Good does win sometimes.