Warning, Be Careful!!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I did NOT at ANY time mention any names and will NOT mention any names.. I thought this was something that needed to be posted for other breeders to think about.. Like I mentioned if it could happen to me and the breeder of this pup, it could happen to anyone.. But if you only take a moment and read through all the threads you will come to realize that I would have had someone coming to my home, signing my contracts, LYING to me and taking my pup lord only knows where! The breeder of this pup and I do KNOW THE TRUTH..

This pup will NOT be leaving my home! This pup is in a WONDERFUL HOME!

I have been on this board only a few months but when you said, "Breeder in Indiana' I knew who you were referring to. I mean, how many breeders on here are from Indiana? i also think you should have taken thiss to private message or email. This board is no place for trashing people.

[wnalegria]

I dont' think that I have made myself clear.

So will try again.

Melanie bought the puppy for show about two weeks ago.

I saw the ad in the local paper and called the breeder Dawn at that time
Puppy had already been sold to Melanie. Spoke with her about younger puppies that she had. I was thinking about adding some Stardust as some
of my dogs had Stardust in the bloodlines.

Told Clara about Dawn and that this may be something for her. Clara has a Buster daughter and has some Stardust in the bloodline.

Clara calls me and says she sees and ad that look intersting on Hoobly would I check it out.

Go on Hoobly- it is the puppy that Melanie has bought from Dawn 2 weeks ago. No mention of being placed as pet or show. Just nice ad bragging up the dog and the bloodlines. I know from a posting on YT Melanie has stated that the puppys topline goes off and on. Have never seen puppy. Pass this on to Clara. Told Clara that I would call the puppies breeder.

I called Dawn the breeder of the puppy. I inquired as to what type of conditions/restrictions the puppy was sold under. Can Melanie resell the puppy for show or strictly pet. I do not know if the baby was sold with any written restrictions the only way I know is by asking the breeder. Can't be more direct then that. Asked if Melanie has a buyer who wants the baby for show can the kid be placed in a show home. Asked If Melanie has changed the puppy registration form paperwork to read limited from full and if Melanie and the breeder are both agreeable can the paperwork be changed back to open for the new buyer. (The AKC stated that the breeder has the right to do this.)

I am told by the breeder that Melanie has purchased the dog- it is hers. She has control over the issue. The breeder and I talk about the younger litter that she has.

I call Clara back and tell her- That the breeder sold the puppy to Melanie.
Sounds like it is being placed as a pet. That it would be doubtful if there would be a change of minds on the registration. That this puppy is not what she wants if she is looking to show due to the registration situation. She may want to wait for a puppy from the younger litter. Indicated to breeder that I would still be interested in looking puppy from the younger litter. Same thing that I told breeder when I had called and talked with her in Jan.

Told Clara that she could call Melanie and talk to her and see if she would consider show placement- but that I doubted it. Told Clara that I could not go look at this boy or ask Melanie any questions about the topline as it is not a comfortable relationship between us. Told Clara that if she wished to pursue anything on this puppy this is all that I could do for her. Clara did not contact Melanie.

I made no attempts to contact Melanie nor asked anyone else to in my behalf or on Clara's. This puppy was clearly not what she wanted.


Nothing underhand- up front- called and spoke to the breeder of the puppy. You can't get anymore up front then that. Puppy is to be placed as a pet- end of subject- the matter is closed. I simply asked questions to help a older woman make a intelligent decision and to not make a impulse purchase for a dog that may not be able to be shown. Not everyones knows the right questions to ask- and we are making these contracts so complicated that you better not sign anymore until you have a attorney look it over. What looks like black and white may have big gray areas that you do not understand.


This poor kid has already been sold once in Jan. I sure do not want to be part of him being sold again in Feb. and to be placed for sale again if he was not what Clara wanted or needed.

I firmly do not like impulse buying. I did not want Clara to do that.

Told Clara that is she wanted to talk with Melanie she would have to do it herself could not help her. I had done all that I could do- gave her list of questions to ask if she wanted to call and talk with her.


Told Clara that Dawn is closer to her- that she may want to go and look at those babies when old enough if she has not found one by then. Also have told her about two other folks on here who have Stardust bloodlines.
One has a male that is old enough for stud- the other male is not quite ready but will be soon. Have also suggested that she contact Susan .

So I guess this is the bottom line- Everyone who has contacted me about a puppy for a friend or has asked me questions about my dogs for someone else
is being underhanded. I will continue to think that there are a lot of good and nice people out there. I will continue to think that the glass is half full.
I will continue to try and help others when I can. I have had many a person ask me questions about what should they ask when buying a puppy and help them- I did not try and sell them a puppy from me- they knew what they wanted and what lines- I just tried to help them make a sound and solid decision that worked for them. I enjoyed the thank yous that I got.

I may think that you are not a very nice person and dislike the sound of your name. You might also be the person who has the dog that a person needs or wants. Will I give your name out yes. Will I try and help that person you bet.
I will not let my personal feelings get into the way. We all have to make our own personal choices on the style or type of yorkie that we are looking for. I have always thought that we were here for the betterment of the breed. I try and encourage you to keep the standard. I am too old at this time to wish to be part of the soap opera and drama that some seem to make out of everything and something out of nothing. I myself intend to go back to the enjoyment and fun that I had from my dogs. Life it way too short to be bitter
and caught up in all the intrigue. I will leave it to all those with the half empty glass.

As I have been called "this so called show breeder" hopes that all have a wonderful day.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by troubletb

You are so right Villette, this should be taken care of off the YT boards. But I'm going to put in my two cents and say.. If you are producing fine quality yorkies, and they are good enough for showing, why not give breeding rights out?? (to a few good quality breeders) Why do you feel you should be the only one who produces these beauties!!!
If this person came to you and sat down with you, would you have turned them away??
Without hearing what they have to say?

One reason I can think of that people don't give full registration is because they don't want the competion. I know for sure that breeder's whether show or not just plain do not want the competion. Yorkies are not very plentiful and the fewer people breeding, the better for everyone. I know this for sure because it recently happened to me.ceeby's breeder promised me "pick of the litter" out of her litter with three females. She knew my intention is to breed someday and had even offered to mentor me. Came time to get the pup, I called. She never returned my call. All I can figure out is that she didn't want the competion. I live within twenty minutes of her. But, that's okay because I have purchased a female that I am very happy with. Why else would a person lie/ the only other good reason for a limited regitration that I can think of is if the female is going to be too small to breed. I have always said it is about the competion and I have drawn some heat from here over saying it but that's what I believe in my heart.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

I called Dawn the breeder of the puppy. I inquired as to what type of conditions/restrictions the puppy was sold under. Can Melanie resell the puppy for show or strictly pet. I do not know if the baby was sold with any written restrictions the only way I know is by asking the breeder.

Nothing underhand- up front- called and spoke to the breeder of the puppy. You can't get anymore up front then that.

I may think that you are not a very nice person and dislike the sound of your name. You might also be the person who has the dog that a person needs or wants. Will I give your name out yes. Will I try and help that person you bet. I will not let my personal feelings get into the way.

Kathy,
I do not see you as someone that was being underhanded at all. You contacted the breeder just as anyone else would have done to inquire about it. I'm sorry that you've been put on the spot and that people are trying to make you look bad.

And with the last paragraph that I quoted, I have nothing but respect and admiration for you. This speaks volumes about the kind of person that you are.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by yorluvr

But I am changing my policy to spay/neuter everything before it leaves my home. Then, there is no interpretation for error.
Melanie, sorry this has happened to you. But you have certainly learned very quickly in the dog show world that not everything is as it seems.
Julie

Wow, I didn't realize that this stuff happens in the show world. It's sad because I think all the good breeders should work together to better the beautiful Yorkie breed. But I guess that would happen only in a perfect world.

[hunniebunnie]

i'm not a breeder but i'm not quite understanding what's the big deal? what's wrong with having a more knowledgeable third party helping to ask the appropriate questions of a breeder regarding a puppy? when i was looking for a puppy, i found a breeder that lived near a friend of mine. since it was far away and i had no clue about what to ask a breeder and my friend has raised puppies before, so i asked my friend to checkout the breeder for me. it just makes more sense for my friend to call, ask the right questions, visit and check out the environment and legitimacy of the breeder, then report back to me with her input based on her experience.

as it turned out, the breeder wasn't what i was looking for. i'm glad i didn't have to travel hundreds of miles just to figure that out. now with that, am i being "underhanded" by sending a third party out on my behalf? or just "effecient"?

[shyorkies]

Think while you are reading the threads to this post..

If the "person" contacting the breeder of my puppy was NOT such an issue, why would I even know about it?? I know about it because this "person" ask the breeder of this puppy to do things that are NOT honest! The breeder contacted me to make sure that I was aware of what this "person" was thinking of doing! Like I said enough said..

[txshopper73]

Is it possible that this "breeder" was making an issue out of nothing and possibly adding more or less to the story? You know...adding fuel to the fire that's been lit for a while now???

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by hunniebunnie

i'm not a breeder but i'm not quite understanding what's the big deal? what's wrong with having a more knowledgeable third party helping to ask the appropriate questions of a breeder regarding a puppy? when i was looking for a puppy, i found a breeder that lived near a friend of mine. since it was far away and i had no clue about what to ask a breeder and my friend has raised puppies before, so i asked my friend to checkout the breeder for me. it just makes more sense for my friend to call, ask the right questions, visit and check out the environment and legitimacy of the breeder, then report back to me with her input based on her experience.

as it turned out, the breeder wasn't what i was looking for. i'm glad i didn't have to travel hundreds of miles just to figure that out. now with that, am i being "underhanded" by sending a third party out on my behalf? or just "effecient"?

What you are not understanding is that reputable true show breeders like a couple of them on the YT forum.. Spend every waking hour bettering the breed, they spend tons of money showing what they have produced (how perfect a true yorkie can look).. They just do NOT throw two dogs together and let them breed.. When they breed for a litter it is to have another show prospect, NEVER TO SELL PET PUPPIES! Yes every once in a while they have a beautiful pet to place and many of us look at that pet and think "why that dog is beautiful".. But to a true yorkie show breeder the puppy/dog they just placed as a pet is NOT perfect and should not be shown, let alone bred.. Some true reputable show breeders have spent years and I mean years, sometimes 20-30 or more years perfecting their yorkies! That is not something to be taken lightly by just placing your hardwork with ANYONE on full registration.. I know this is hard for some people to understand, they think if they purchase a dog they have the right to do with it as they please.. Alot of people do NOT realize how much time and effort most of these true show breeders put into their dogs and never will.. Sad, but true.. Alot of people are NOT wanting to show they just want the lines to sell their puppies for BIG money, they just want the lines and will do whatever necessary to obtain them! I do NOT blame any reputable show breeder for altering everything that leaves their home, that is their responsibility to protect the breed they have worked so hard to make perfect!

I personally have only been in the yorkie world a very short time and have only shown on a limited basis.. But I have learnt by watching a couple of the reputable true show breeders in my town and they have my upmost respect and always will..

[hunniebunnie]

i am THINKING that the "person" is probably not very comfortable asking you directly about it unless it was absolutely necessary, and was more comfortable talking to the breeder of the puppy to get some basic information before determining how to persue the matter with you directly. the breeder of the puppy probably told you about it just so that you're aware of the situation, so that if someone calls you and asks about the status of the puppy's registration and possibly changing the registration, you wouldn't be blind-sided and wonder where this was coming from. but of course, this is all speculation on my part. and like i said, i'm not a breeder so what do i know. maybe in the breeders world certain forms of information gathering is a big no-no while others are fine. i apologize if my ignorance offends you. i don't mean to offend.

[wnalegria]

Melanie- Check with the AKC the breeder of the puppy could if she wanted to change a registration from limited to full on puppy papers. This is the breeders rights. Not mine or anyone elses. This under the AKC guidlines. As the new owner of the puppy it is your right to place it as a pet according to what you and Dawn have agreed to.


Read the posts - you want the baby placed as a pet- the breeder has agreed per your own posting. What is the issue. There is nothing short of GOD changing this. The issue is closed. That is why I told Clara it would be a waste of time to contact you. This puppy is being sold as a pet and she wanted a puppy to be sold.

The bottom line is that you have issues with me. That is your right. You seem to enjoying trying to drag this into a fight. It takes two to fight. You can hope but I am not going to fight or say anything unkind about you. If all this makes you feel better then I am happy for you. We all have our own needs and desires and goals in life. I do not intend to have this turn into the Hatfields and McCoys fight. The people who post here on YT deserve better then that. If it makes you a better breeder and show person to say unkind things about me go for it. If it makes anyone think any less of me as a person here on YT- so be it That is there right. We are all entitled to our own thought and opinions. You were asked to take this private- you chose not too.


Kathy