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shyorkies · 02-06-2006, 10:04 PM

Thought I would share something very interesting with all of you breeders.. I was notified today from a lady that I purchased one of my pups from.. She told me that another breeder here in Indiana had called her and ask her if she was able to some how find someone to get this pup from me if she would help her get full registration on him!!!!!!!! I was appalled! This person is a so-called show breeder! Needless to say the breeder of my pup was also appalled! I just wanted to share this.. NO pets will leave my home again without being altered!

yorkiemom1970 · 02-06-2006, 10:44 PM

Goodness....that really makes you think about how some people are. So coniving! I can't stand it! Be honest and feel good about it or don't bother is my motto.

wnalegria · 02-07-2006, 02:27 AM

Story not being told quite true. Thought I would give the rest of the story like Paul Harvey and clear up the air. Then you all can make up your minds.

I did call the breeder you purchased your new boy from. I asked if you had purchased him with limited registration or with full breeding unlimited rights.

I was told by the AKC that they will allow the breeder of a puppy who places limited on a puppy to change it from limited to full.

I have a 72 y/o client who is my friend who liked the looks of this kid when he was first advertised in the paper here in Indy and was checking for them. They have some Stardust and he would have worked nicely with the bloodlines that she has. I wanted to make sure that if Clara decided to look at your boy and if you had changed the paperwork from full to limited and if everyone was in agreement that she could get it changed back to the full regisstartion.

I did not want her to get burned with paperwork that she thought could be legally corrected at the AKC and could not. Clara has been looking for a nice male with the Stardust - She has a Buster daughter and thought that down the road this would be a nice compliment for her lines. She also was made aware that you had only had the baby for several weeks. She saw the ad that you placed on Hoobly for him.

She felt that he was not being gave enough time due to his age to be wrote off as not being show potential. She indicated that your advertisement does not state that he had anything wrong with his topline or that you were placing him as a pet. She has only had Yorkies for about 10 years-and is wanting to show. She had planned to have her Neice who shows Rotties ( and does very well) start her experience in showing if she had bought him.

I have also spoke with this breeder about purchasing a male from her for my self and told Clara about the young puppies that this Dawn (the puppies breeder) has. She told me about the little ones that are about4-5 weeks old. She did not seem upset with my questions about the registration matter on the puppy. She did say that you had purchased the kid and you could do what you wished with him.

Thank you very much for allowing me to give my side of the story. I am guilty of asking questions in a effort to protect another another person yes.
$1,500.00 is a lot of money for Clara to spend on a puppy that she might not have been able to show and breed. I had told Clara that I could not contact you for her ( Clara lives in Kentucky.) and look at the baby. I felt that Dawn( the puppies breeder) had very nice bloodlines and really seemed to have a lot to offer Clara. The baby being older gave Clara a chance to get up and go and to not have to wait on a kid to grow up.

If this had been the right situation- Clara would have made a excellent owner-for this puppy she loves her dogs and would have been tickled to have had a baby to take out and show. There isn't a week that goes by that she does not ask if I have found her a show male.

You lost the chance on meeting a new person who is true gem. She has a funny attitude, cares a great deal about all those around her. Does not get involved in the drama that she often sees going on here at YT. She lurks and reads the posts. We have made her afraid to join in. I wonder how many other people we have done this too-. It is sad that we are forcing people to take sides. People are afraid to buy a dog from this person or contact this person because that person does not like another person. Really makes you head spin. Are we out of control. Makes you wonder. Sure hope that YT does not become a breeding ground for this type of attitude.

I have not been posting for just the same reasons I listed above. I have been reading only. I am posting this just to clear the air.

Melanie, as a courtesy you could have contacted me by PM and inquired as to my reasons for contacting Dawn. I would have stated the sames things that I have indicated above. I wish only the best for the puppy and you in finding a forever home for this little guy. I feel sad that he is being moved around again so soon.

Sincerely,

red98vett · 02-07-2006, 03:10 AM

I don't want to intrude ....but I also think this should have been handled privately first to get the whole story before someone who is a member here was posted about....the breeder world is so small that this could have been discussed privately... and it sounds like Kathy was only making inquiries to help a friend....

and it IS a shame that he is being shuffled around....I hope he does find a wonderful home.....

shyorkies · 02-07-2006, 03:17 AM

Enough said.. I know exactly what happened just as the person that done this.. This is a very underhanded thing to do, one that I would never have thought of, let alone do.. The BREEDER and I had already DECIDED TOGETHER what was best for this pup.. I also NEVER place a puppy without there being a contract.. If he had not been altered before he left my home an alter agreement would have also been signed.. But this incident has made me 110% positive that the puppies being placed as pets will be ALTERED before they leave my home.. Also if the so-called prospective buyer that was sending the middle man (person) to my home was such a wonderful person, why would they have been afraid?

This should make everyone think twice as I mentioned.. The person you may be placing your puppy/dog with may just be a middle man (person) for someone wanting the dog, they would also sign your contracts knowing that they have NO intentions of fulfilling the contract..

I only wanted to share this experience so that it may not happen to another breeder.. If it could happen to me and the breeder of this pup it could happen to anyone! Food for thought!

shyorkies · 02-07-2006, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I don't want to intrude ....but I also think this should have been handled privately first to get the whole story before someone who is a member here was posted about....the breeder world is so small that this could have been discussed privately... and it sounds like Kathy was only making inquiries to help a friend....

and it IS a shame that he is being shuffled around....I hope he does find a wonderful home.....

I did NOT at ANY time mention any names and will NOT mention any names.. I thought this was something that needed to be posted for other breeders to think about.. Like I mentioned if it could happen to me and the breeder of this pup, it could happen to anyone.. But if you only take a moment and read through all the threads you will come to realize that I would have had someone coming to my home, signing my contracts, LYING to me and taking my pup lord only knows where! The breeder of this pup and I do KNOW THE TRUTH..

This pup will NOT be leaving my home! This pup is in a WONDERFUL HOME!

troubletb · 02-07-2006, 03:42 AM

You are so right Villette, this should be taken care of off the YT boards. But I'm going to put in my two cents and say.. If you are producing fine quality yorkies, and they are good enough for showing, why not give breeding rights out?? (to a few good quality breeders) Why do you feel you should be the only one who produces these beauties!!!
If this person came to you and sat down with you, would you have turned them away??
Without hearing what they have to say?

red98vett · 02-07-2006, 03:46 AM

I apologize Melanie - I must have misunderstood that he was for sale.....I'm glad he's in a good home

wnalegria · 02-07-2006, 04:12 AM

Melanie, read your post- would I have been welcomed in your home to look at this puppy for Clara -does not seem like it. I would not have asked or considered it. You make your feelings towards me quite clear.

You call me a - so called show breeder. How unkind to place that in print here on YT.

Food for thought. As a breeder I place a puppy who I feel has show potential in a show home- I would think that this means that in my judgment the baby may have what it takes. The new buyer has the puppy for less then a month and decides that they do not like it. If I look at the pup and think that he is being written off too soon I would welcome a chance to place it in a show home. Each of us look at things differntly- is that glass half full or half empty.

Does that puppy have a bad topline or is it something that I have done- or a goofy puppy stage. If the baby has sore feet they can walk funny ( being kept on wire) is he unhappy due to his enviroment who knows. I have seen them walk around like a camel when constipated- have some that just slouch until you put a show lead on them.

As I stated in my earlier post the woman lives in Kentucky- how nice it would have been for me to have looked at the baby and said. Yes or no this kid may be what you are looking for. From where she lives to Kokomo is a 8 hour drive. She could have made a trip that was not a look and see trip. I think that we have all made those long trips to look at something and then said what a waste of my time. Have I looked at other puppies for Clara that are in my area sure have.

If I have sold you a dog and it does not work out- I am going to be flexible and try to work with you and if there is someone else who shows a true interest in what I had intended for this baby - I am thrilled. If the baby is a pet then so be it. It was placed as a pet to start with. This kid was placed as a show prospect. It is hard to beleive that he fell apart in less then a month.

look at your lovely Trea- you wrote him off as a pet because he did not have both testicles and then wow he has both of them. Aren't you glad that you did not place him as a pet- you have a wonderful fella to take out and show that you have bred. He just needed that extra time.

I think that we need to be flexible and not so rigid. Contracts can be good and contracts can be bad. Depends on how they are written and what your intentions are when you write them. The biggest compliment that you can have as a breeder is to have people say- I want you dogs- be it for companion, show or breeding. If no one wants them what does that say to you.

If she wanted this kid in a show home then she could have become involved
in the process with you in finding him a new home. Dawn stated that it was your puppy and that you could do with it what you so desired. The matter was closed and dropped. It was left to Clara to contact you and see what you wanted to do with the kid.

I do not understand your middle man comment. I spoke with the Dawn a month ago and she told me about the younger babies at that time I asked if she had any older kids. I was told no. We spoke about the little kids again yesterday. Dawn lives in Southern Indiana- this is a closer drive for Clara. You are much further away.

I do not have a crystal ball nor am I a mind reader I will not make assumptions of your intentions. Please don't make assumptions of my intententions. If you wish to attack me please PM me. There is no need to do it on the public forum. It simply gives YT a bad rap.

shyorkies · 02-07-2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I apologize Melanie - I must have misunderstood that he was for sale.....I'm glad he's in a good home

I want to explain, sorry for the confusion.. The breeder and I did come to the agreement that WE would place this puppy into a LOVING PET HOME, because of the topline going on and off.. But after the underhanded actions yesterday this pup will NOT be leaving my home, he will stay right here where he is loved and given a wonderful home.. It would be a perfect world if we as breeders could keep every pup/dog that comes into our home, but that is not reality.. This pup shares my home with my other yorkies and sometimes if they are not going to be used in your breeding program or shown they sometimes deserve better! They deserve to live in a home with maybe just one or two playmates, they deserve to sleep with their owner every night, they deserve to go on vacation with their owner, etc.. Every good loving breeder does what is right for their dogs and they are not selfish because their heart breaks everytime they place a pup/dog and they do their best to find a LOVING FOREVER HOME WITH A WONDERFUL FAMILY! Wish I had a lap a mile long, but I do not.. My yorkies all get one on one attention and are VERY well cared for and always loved! But if I am not using them in my program or showing them they deserve better and a good breeder loves them enough to let them go..

shyorkies · 02-07-2006, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wnalegria

Melanie, read your post- would I have been welcomed in your home to look at this puppy for Clara -does not seem like it. I would not have asked or considered it. You make your feelings towards me quite clear.

You call me a - so called show breeder. How unkind to place that in print here on YT.

Food for thought. As a breeder I place a puppy who I feel has show potential in a show home- I would think that this means that in my judgment the baby may have what it takes. The new buyer has the puppy for less then a month and decides that they do not like it. If I look at the pup and think that he is being written off too soon I would welcome a chance to place it in a show home. Each of us look at things differntly- is that glass half full or half empty.

Does that puppy have a bad topline or is it something that I have done- or a goofy puppy stage. If the baby has sore feet they can walk funny ( being kept on wire) is he unhappy due to his enviroment who knows. I have seen them walk around like a camel when constipated- have some that just slouch until you put a show lead on them.

As I stated in my earlier post the woman lives in Kentucky- how nice it would have been for me to have looked at the baby and said. Yes or no this kid may be what you are looking for. From where she lives to Kokomo is a 8 hour drive. She could have made a trip that was not a look and see trip. I think that we have all made those long trips to look at something and then said what a waste of my time. Have I looked at other puppies for Clara that are in my area sure have.

If I have sold you a dog and it does not work out- I am going to be flexible and try to work with you and if there is someone else who shows a true interest in what I had intended for this baby - I am thrilled. If the baby is a pet then so be it. It was placed as a pet to start with. This kid was placed as a show prospect. It is hard to beleive that he fell apart in less then a month.

look at your lovely Trea- you wrote him off as a pet because he did not have both testicles and then wow he has both of them. Aren't you glad that you did not place him as a pet- you have a wonderful fella to take out and show that you have bred. He just needed that extra time.

I think that we need to be flexible and not so rigid. Contracts can be good and contracts can be bad. Depends on how they are written and what your intentions are when you write them. The biggest compliment that you can have as a breeder is to have people say- I want you dogs- be it for companion, show or breeding. If no one wants them what does that say to you.

If she wanted this kid in a show home then she could have become involved
in the process with you in finding him a new home. Dawn stated that it was your puppy and that you could do with it what you so desired. The matter was closed and dropped. It was left to Clara to contact you and see what you wanted to do with the kid.

I do not understand your middle man comment. I spoke with the Dawn a month ago and she told me about the younger babies at that time I asked if she had any older kids. I was told no. We spoke about the little kids again yesterday. Dawn lives in Southern Indiana- this is a closer drive for Clara. You are much further away.

I do not have a crystal ball nor am I a mind reader I will not make assumptions of your intentions. Please don't make assumptions of my intententions. If you wish to attack me please PM me. There is no need to do it on the public forum. It simply gives YT a bad rap.

As I stated before the BREEDER and I decided to place this pup into a pet home, the decision was NOT just mine to make! It was a pup from the breeders breeding and it was also her decision not just mine..

I also was stating a fact of what went on and I thought that it was a topic that needed brought to the attentions of reputable breeders to be careful and altering your pups before they leave your home is a wonderful idea and now has become a necessity to my program..

YorkieRini · 02-07-2006, 04:30 AM

As an outsider and a breeder I have to say that I would be just as upset as Melanie is. I don't know Kathy or her intentions, so I am not making judgement on her. Obviously But I ever FELT someone was being dishonest and trying to get one of my babies I'd be just as livid. I don't fault Melanine for caring if that's what she FELT was going on. I have had people that tried to trick me and say all the 'right' things for a one of my puppies for breeding and it's really upsetting. Kathy, thanks for sharing your side of things. As for sharing lines. I'm sorry I don't agree with that. I know my statement makes some cringe. But personally I work to hard to take someone's word that they'll do the right by my puppy. If it's between friends, that's different. Strangers, NO WAY!

goldenray · 02-07-2006, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shyorkies

Thought I would share something very interesting with all of you breeders.. I was notified today from a lady that I purchased one of my pups from.. She told me that another breeder here in Indiana had called her and ask her if she was able to some how find someone to get this pup from me if she would help her get full registration on him!!!!!!!! I was appalled! This person is a so-called show breeder! Needless to say the breeder of my pup was also appalled! I just wanted to share this.. NO pets will leave my home again without being altered!

Melanie I am appalled but not surprised. I see this kind of thing all the time. In fact I know of another situation where 3 people were involved in purchasing a couple dogs and the breeder only knew about 1 buyer. I give the other 2 the benefit of the doubt, that they didn't know their names weren't mentioned to the breeder. There are many cases of misrepresentation going on out there and that is why ALL pets go out of here already spayed/neutered and I will not sell a show dog unless I know the person well. Another story just happening is a person busted for drugs and no one can find the dogs, although they know some died. Thank God I did not work with these people when they contacted me.

There are reasons that breeders are doing what I am doing and this is an example. Keep in mind also that there are reputable show people and there are people who show dogs. My only concern is protecting my dogs. Just alter the dog and find him a wonderful pet home which he deserves. That's where almost all my show dogs go. I just placed 2 show dogs in wonderful pet homes and am pleased as can be that is where they are.

yorluvr · 02-07-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenray

There are reasons that breeders are doing what I am doing and this is an example. Keep in mind also that there are reputable show people and there are people who show dogs. My only concern is protecting my dogs. Just alter the dog and find him a wonderful pet home which he deserves. That's where almost all my show dogs go. I just placed 2 show dogs in wonderful pet homes and am pleased as can be that is where they are.

I just neutered a lovely male yesterday and he will go to his new home once the incision has healed. Could he have finished his CH title? Probably. But he has a wonderful home waiting for him, where the couple is retired and want a dog to cuddle and love. I could count on one hand homes where I have placed show dogs. I will keep the best for myself and place the rest. But I am changing my policy to spay/neuter everything before it leaves my home. Then, there is no interpretation for error.
Melanie, sorry this has happened to you. But you have certainly learned very quickly in the dog show world that not everything is as it seems.
Julie

YorkieRini · 02-07-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenray

Melanie I am appalled but not surprised. I see this kind of thing all the time. In fact I know of another situation where 3 people were involved in purchasing a couple dogs and the breeder only knew about 1 buyer. I give the other 2 the benefit of the doubt, that they didn't know their names weren't mentioned to the breeder. There are many cases of misrepresentation going on out there and that is why ALL pets go out of here already spayed/neutered and I will not sell a show dog unless I know the person well. Another story just happening is a person busted for drugs and no one can find the dogs, although they know some died. Thank God I did not work with these people when they contacted me.

There are reasons that breeders are doing what I am doing and this is an example. Keep in mind also that there are reputable show people and there are people who show dogs. My only concern is protecting my dogs. Just alter the dog and find him a wonderful pet home which he deserves. That's where almost all my show dogs go. I just placed 2 show dogs in wonderful pet homes and am pleased as can be that is where they are.

WOW! That is even scarier. Getting Biewers is what prompted me to s/n early because there is no other way to protect them.

02-06-2006, 10:04 PM	#1
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Warning, Be Careful!! Thought I would share something very interesting with all of you breeders.. I was notified today from a lady that I purchased one of my pups from.. She told me that another breeder here in Indiana had called her and ask her if she was able to some how find someone to get this pup from me if she would help her get full registration on him!!!!!!!! I was appalled! This person is a so-called show breeder! Needless to say the breeder of my pup was also appalled! I just wanted to share this.. NO pets will leave my home again without being altered!

02-07-2006, 03:10 AM	#4
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I don't want to intrude ....but I also think this should have been handled privately first to get the whole story before someone who is a member here was posted about....the breeder world is so small that this could have been discussed privately... and it sounds like Kathy was only making inquiries to help a friend.... and it IS a shame that he is being shuffled around....I hope he does find a wonderful home..... __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

02-07-2006, 03:42 AM	#7
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	You are so right Villette, this should be taken care of off the YT boards. But I'm going to put in my two cents and say.. If you are producing fine quality yorkies, and they are good enough for showing, why not give breeding rights out?? (to a few good quality breeders) Why do you feel you should be the only one who produces these beauties!!! If this person came to you and sat down with you, would you have turned them away?? Without hearing what they have to say? __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

02-07-2006, 03:46 AM	#8
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I apologize Melanie - I must have misunderstood that he was for sale.....I'm glad he's in a good home __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

02-06-2006, 10:44 PM	#2
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	Goodness....that really makes you think about how some people are. So coniving! I can't stand it! Be honest and feel good about it or don't bother is my motto.

02-07-2006, 02:27 AM	#3
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Story not being told quite true. Thought I would give the rest of the story like Paul Harvey and clear up the air. Then you all can make up your minds. I did call the breeder you purchased your new boy from. I asked if you had purchased him with limited registration or with full breeding unlimited rights. I was told by the AKC that they will allow the breeder of a puppy who places limited on a puppy to change it from limited to full. I have a 72 y/o client who is my friend who liked the looks of this kid when he was first advertised in the paper here in Indy and was checking for them. They have some Stardust and he would have worked nicely with the bloodlines that she has. I wanted to make sure that if Clara decided to look at your boy and if you had changed the paperwork from full to limited and if everyone was in agreement that she could get it changed back to the full regisstartion. I did not want her to get burned with paperwork that she thought could be legally corrected at the AKC and could not. Clara has been looking for a nice male with the Stardust - She has a Buster daughter and thought that down the road this would be a nice compliment for her lines. She also was made aware that you had only had the baby for several weeks. She saw the ad that you placed on Hoobly for him. She felt that he was not being gave enough time due to his age to be wrote off as not being show potential. She indicated that your advertisement does not state that he had anything wrong with his topline or that you were placing him as a pet. She has only had Yorkies for about 10 years-and is wanting to show. She had planned to have her Neice who shows Rotties ( and does very well) start her experience in showing if she had bought him. I have also spoke with this breeder about purchasing a male from her for my self and told Clara about the young puppies that this Dawn (the puppies breeder) has. She told me about the little ones that are about4-5 weeks old. She did not seem upset with my questions about the registration matter on the puppy. She did say that you had purchased the kid and you could do what you wished with him. Thank you very much for allowing me to give my side of the story. I am guilty of asking questions in a effort to protect another another person yes. $1,500.00 is a lot of money for Clara to spend on a puppy that she might not have been able to show and breed. I had told Clara that I could not contact you for her ( Clara lives in Kentucky.) and look at the baby. I felt that Dawn( the puppies breeder) had very nice bloodlines and really seemed to have a lot to offer Clara. The baby being older gave Clara a chance to get up and go and to not have to wait on a kid to grow up. If this had been the right situation- Clara would have made a excellent owner-for this puppy she loves her dogs and would have been tickled to have had a baby to take out and show. There isn't a week that goes by that she does not ask if I have found her a show male. You lost the chance on meeting a new person who is true gem. She has a funny attitude, cares a great deal about all those around her. Does not get involved in the drama that she often sees going on here at YT. She lurks and reads the posts. We have made her afraid to join in. I wonder how many other people we have done this too-. It is sad that we are forcing people to take sides. People are afraid to buy a dog from this person or contact this person because that person does not like another person. Really makes you head spin. Are we out of control. Makes you wonder. Sure hope that YT does not become a breeding ground for this type of attitude. I have not been posting for just the same reasons I listed above. I have been reading only. I am posting this just to clear the air. Melanie, as a courtesy you could have contacted me by PM and inquired as to my reasons for contacting Dawn. I would have stated the sames things that I have indicated above. I wish only the best for the puppy and you in finding a forever home for this little guy. I feel sad that he is being moved around again so soon. Sincerely,

02-07-2006, 03:17 AM	#5
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Enough said.. I know exactly what happened just as the person that done this.. This is a very underhanded thing to do, one that I would never have thought of, let alone do.. The BREEDER and I had already DECIDED TOGETHER what was best for this pup.. I also NEVER place a puppy without there being a contract.. If he had not been altered before he left my home an alter agreement would have also been signed.. But this incident has made me 110% positive that the puppies being placed as pets will be ALTERED before they leave my home.. Also if the so-called prospective buyer that was sending the middle man (person) to my home was such a wonderful person, why would they have been afraid? This should make everyone think twice as I mentioned.. The person you may be placing your puppy/dog with may just be a middle man (person) for someone wanting the dog, they would also sign your contracts knowing that they have NO intentions of fulfilling the contract.. I only wanted to share this experience so that it may not happen to another breeder.. If it could happen to me and the breeder of this pup it could happen to anyone! Food for thought!

02-07-2006, 04:12 AM	#9
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Melanie, read your post- would I have been welcomed in your home to look at this puppy for Clara -does not seem like it. I would not have asked or considered it. You make your feelings towards me quite clear. You call me a - so called show breeder. How unkind to place that in print here on YT. Food for thought. As a breeder I place a puppy who I feel has show potential in a show home- I would think that this means that in my judgment the baby may have what it takes. The new buyer has the puppy for less then a month and decides that they do not like it. If I look at the pup and think that he is being written off too soon I would welcome a chance to place it in a show home. Each of us look at things differntly- is that glass half full or half empty. Does that puppy have a bad topline or is it something that I have done- or a goofy puppy stage. If the baby has sore feet they can walk funny ( being kept on wire) is he unhappy due to his enviroment who knows. I have seen them walk around like a camel when constipated- have some that just slouch until you put a show lead on them. As I stated in my earlier post the woman lives in Kentucky- how nice it would have been for me to have looked at the baby and said. Yes or no this kid may be what you are looking for. From where she lives to Kokomo is a 8 hour drive. She could have made a trip that was not a look and see trip. I think that we have all made those long trips to look at something and then said what a waste of my time. Have I looked at other puppies for Clara that are in my area sure have. If I have sold you a dog and it does not work out- I am going to be flexible and try to work with you and if there is someone else who shows a true interest in what I had intended for this baby - I am thrilled. If the baby is a pet then so be it. It was placed as a pet to start with. This kid was placed as a show prospect. It is hard to beleive that he fell apart in less then a month. look at your lovely Trea- you wrote him off as a pet because he did not have both testicles and then wow he has both of them. Aren't you glad that you did not place him as a pet- you have a wonderful fella to take out and show that you have bred. He just needed that extra time. I think that we need to be flexible and not so rigid. Contracts can be good and contracts can be bad. Depends on how they are written and what your intentions are when you write them. The biggest compliment that you can have as a breeder is to have people say- I want you dogs- be it for companion, show or breeding. If no one wants them what does that say to you. If she wanted this kid in a show home then she could have become involved in the process with you in finding him a new home. Dawn stated that it was your puppy and that you could do with it what you so desired. The matter was closed and dropped. It was left to Clara to contact you and see what you wanted to do with the kid. I do not understand your middle man comment. I spoke with the Dawn a month ago and she told me about the younger babies at that time I asked if she had any older kids. I was told no. We spoke about the little kids again yesterday. Dawn lives in Southern Indiana- this is a closer drive for Clara. You are much further away. I do not have a crystal ball nor am I a mind reader I will not make assumptions of your intentions. Please don't make assumptions of my intententions. If you wish to attack me please PM me. There is no need to do it on the public forum. It simply gives YT a bad rap.

02-07-2006, 04:30 AM	#12
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	As an outsider and a breeder I have to say that I would be just as upset as Melanie is. I don't know Kathy or her intentions, so I am not making judgement on her. Obviously But I ever FELT someone was being dishonest and trying to get one of my babies I'd be just as livid. I don't fault Melanine for caring if that's what she FELT was going on. I have had people that tried to trick me and say all the 'right' things for a one of my puppies for breeding and it's really upsetting. Kathy, thanks for sharing your side of things. As for sharing lines. I'm sorry I don't agree with that. I know my statement makes some cringe. But personally I work to hard to take someone's word that they'll do the right by my puppy. If it's between friends, that's different. Strangers, NO WAY!