Now Rini, you'ins knows that I ain't got no time fer nun a' this, cause I gots to git out thar and milk ma goat!!

:) Iza throw ma beaver around later on! ROFLMAO!

Here's my suggestion. Get a TRUE BIEWER..bred BIEWER to BIEWER, ask to see the pedigree for full proof. Do not fall for the Yorkei to BIEWER thing. That's easy to do right here in the US. You are going to GERMANY to get a TRUE BIEWER, that's been bred BIEWER to BIEWER..NOTHING ELSE!!

Good luck!

Oops..

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Biewer to Biewer.....

True Biewers and Biewer to Biewer
 

Okay I have been PM'd and been totally insulted being told that I do not have a TRUE Biewers :mad: So I went to my mentor and breeder and informed her what had been said and shared all this information with her and I would like to share her comments with all of you. By the way since the IBC is suppose to be the ONLY EXCEPTED or ADOPTED German Club to represent the Biewers I would like to add that the breeder I purchase my Biewers from is a MEMBER of this club... Just so you know that I do not feel that a club is what is what makes a Biewer. Otherwise all of our yorkies are not good examples because we don't belong to a club??? Food for thought!!!

Please follow along I am going to copy and paste my questions and her answers and it will be in translated form.... :D I will be red ~~~ breeder in black

People in America are explain to me that my Biewers Biewers do not say be they this, because Emmelie is a Yorkshire =-O

Thanks so much Irene and Stormy for the info. Unfortunately going to Germany is not an option at the moment. Any way to know they are True Biewers without actually traveling? Irene, maybe you could bring me one along home with you since you're already heading over and I trust your judgement wholeheartedly. Just sneak one out for me :D

Sorry about that I hit the wrong button... :( and entered the post before I was done... So trying again


People in America are explain to me that my Biewers Biewers do not say be they this, because Emmelie is a Yorkshire =-O

oh no. emmelie is a half biewer your biewer all biewer a la pom pon
this are all biewer. biewer are 3 colour
homer and gremling are very good biewers
all biewers are yorkies

Americans are saying them must 5 production Biewers have to the credit a pure line thereby it to to be more biewer

: oh no. this is not ok. then have you in 2 years problems in the breeds
genetik defekt
biewer and biewer and biewer and biewer and halfbiewer this is bedder. for hearth

biewer breed there are in Germany 25 years and the breeders only on more biewer and more biewer pulled has after 3 years only ill dogs. one may not forget. inzess a dog one is more biewer must already somewhat watch out. I think one should after some generations half more biewer clean-breed, otherwise one gets large problems with the health more biewer. you need to have no fear, your more homer are more purely more biewer and very better

this problems is in all biewers. its bedder in 3 generation 1 halfbiewer

I legend you only keep ever half more biewer to you. here have unites years ago it also tries all half more biewer in the breed to forbid. but then the breeders got large problems in the breed. the dogs had health problems or became too small. got bad sheds or died very early. most more biewer usually died with 7 - 8 years.


now I understand to have also why the Americans 5 generations more biewer want. unfortunately the Americans do not have very large fear ereinen animals into the breed to come. but make for you no thoughts. your more homer is more biewer and you will see which he you very good will make more biewer. if you with more biewer together make more homer then give only biewer babies

Amerikaner sagen, daß das WRV kein gutes ist, wenn sie hier sie registriert werden, nicht Biewers sind

no does not tune which the Americans sagen.du can even with wrv the papers to the international club occur. I know the Mrs. priclav. I have already many shows in this connected done

all geneological table recognized in this connected. there you do not need to have a fear. in Germany it gives fci and uci. all more biewer can be registered only in uci

wrv, ach, eur and and and all uci

vdh is a fci


So in conclussion I hope this information helps everyone here.

Well Sue what I could follow was very interesting. I know nothing of the Biewer but it does make sense to me with a breed this young that they are going to have to pull in from the original breeds(of which I am assuming one is the yorkie) at some point. There may not be enough different lines yet.
Now I am basing this only on my knowledge of how the germans breed horses. I will not bore you with the details but sum it up to say it is very similar in idea to the way the biewers are being bred according to this breeder and what I could follow.

I am telling you I am certainly learning a lot about Biewers today...Great Education, however I am still going on my gut. So, I will keep on trusting the folks I've been trusting! BTW great post Sue!!

Yes with new breeds it can get very tricky... :D :D I think we all need to educated ourselves with this type of information from our mentor's that have much more experience. This is one reason I posed this question. I know the this practice of breeding is still done in Germany, but I wanted to know why... It is very hard to follow with the broken lanuage, but still speaks tons... :p Health, size, improper breeding will shorten their life span and many other obstacles for the offspring. Not to mention that the research the pie bald gene should be taken in consideration here as well this is the reason we have this wonderful dog. Seems to me breeders that have been doing this for 20+ years are the authority in the breed, not those of us just starting out....

Gosh Sue I didn't realize that your Biewers were not true Biewers. Who ever PMed must not know much about the breed then.

I find it funny in some of these postings that they do not mention that the Germans do breed the Yorkie and Biewer to this day and there are many registries in Germany that register the Biewer and they all say they are the true club and as for one persons mentor I do not believe they have gone as far as your mentor has with the breed :)

Please reference Post #13
 

Post number #13 is where the link and quote to the International BIEWER Club mention talks about 'Breed GOAL'. Scroll down to #6 in Post 13...it's says this:

6. Relative importance of the breed partners
The breed partners must be of the same type.

So as a member myself. I will follow the guildline.

I have no comment on what was just posted from a breeder in Germany but this is the US. Besides, I personally prefer a club over a Breeder.

I don't expect everyone to listen to what I say...listen to what the INTERNATIONAL BIEWER CLUB says.

I apologize for any ill feelings.

Well, I know my breeder was very offended that I was told I didn't have true biewers...

I have to wonder why the other German's have tried to steal her Biewers from her backyard!!! :eek: I posted about this several months ago. Since then new security had to be installed... :eek: :eek:

The breed partners must be of the same type.

And this can be interpreted several ways as the Bible has so many interpretation.

You might want to read what a experienced breeder has to say about the continuation of breeding Biewer to Biewer will do for you as a breeder. This isn't healthy to continue this practice...So many generations, they have to have the orginal line of a yorkshire brought back in, some where. This is what they have found out in Germany!!! But do what you want to I for one want to breed heathy puppies not ones with genetic problems, washing out colors and putting a poor dog at risk of have a short life span... :eek: These are the German's findings not mine...

I think that as people if we want to continue to grow we have to learn from others history and experiences.

So true Sue that is why Liver shunt is so prominent in the breed. I to would rather breed for a healthier dog...... time will tell ;)

I told my kids they were not true Biewers they are fuming and refused to watch lassie. :rolleyes:

I bet your mentor was very offended ...hmmm wonder how she wins so many shows ????? :confused: Gosh and the waiting list she has for any puppies she ever has to offer ...dang kinda weird aye

I'm new here......so Hiya to all! I've been happy to see some information on the Biewers as I have 2 myself along with some wonderful yorkie babies.........
I am so interested in all the information you've been posting since I am and have been very confused with all the breeding issues-german registrys- and all the controversy with the start of 'clubs' here in the U.S.
I have many questions & seems VERY difficult to get accurate,trustworthy information ........I really appreciated the info straight from the german breeder & would love to see more of that information/ advice/direction from more german breeders......thank you snowyorkies for sharing that information!

Hi again,

I'd love to see your pics. Hope all this talk helps you do what you feel is best.

:wavey: Welcome to Yorkie Talk :wavey:

You are very welcome, I do come here to share as much research I have found to help educate from what I have learned. As I continue to learn. I have much much more to learn. My mentor guides me and educates me along the way on this breed.

It is a shame that some of us sit on opposite sides of the table.. But I find the that researching is better from the experienced breeders not what is written on a page of a club and hope that I interpeted it correctly... Opinions and only opinions have been posted here. Not from breeding experiences of this breed.

I think we should lead by the German's examples for the Breed otherwise we American breeders are going to have a mess on our hands here. They have been doing this now for years.... I have had only one litter... I am no expert here nor is anyone else.

;) thank you for the welcome! and yes, I think all the information posted is very helpful and I think that those of you with mentors from germany are truly lucky.....I look forward to learning & hearing about what you've all learned. I realize the passion involved and the differences in opinion....but my bottom line is learning the most I can about the breed and learning how to produce the healthiest puppies & I think the input from established/experienced German breeders has got to be the most important factor!
I think all of your Biewers on your posts are beautiful and the Yorkies....I would love to have them all!...lol!
I hope to post pics when I figure out how! :cool:

ps.sorry for the delayed post.....I'm at work & jumpin back and forth!

OMG!!!!!..where do you work at 3 o'clock in the morning???

I work at a 24 hr. call center! crazy, huh??

Yeah, we have a thread started for all Biewer owners to sign in a place to share our pretty babies at, stories and things of that nature. Here is the link:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...er+owners+sign

Oh, thank you for the link! I will attempt that picture posting at home...sometime this week hopefully! That little guy on your 'avatar' is adorable...he is from your first litter? how old is he? I love his little face...so sweet!

Yes, he is from my first litter.
His name is Magnolia's Snow Prince Arlo "Chance of a Lifetime"

He will be 14 weeks today!!! Look at the time will you...it is already tomorrow...lol.

I will be keeping him. He was very sick at about 5 weeks I think it was he had pneumonia and I was told he wouldn't survive... He bet the odds, the little fighter...

Hoping he will get big enough to show he is only a 1 pound 2 ounces.. :( But it was this week he gained the 2 ounces so hopefully he is on a growing spurt.

What a little peanut! He must just have you wrapped around his widdle paw! I hope you are able to show him too & with that growing spurt he's having...heeeeheeee, he may just make it to 2lbs bfore ya know it! If you change your mind about keeping him, I'd take him in a heartbeat! How many puppies in his litter?

There was 5 in the litter. Maevie (his mother) was bred in Germay to a awesome stud World winner 2004 & 2005. Then she was shipped to me and whelped here.

I think he should stay right here....lol Nice try though!! :D

Welcome Yorkiedreamer it is nice to see another Biewer fan :)

Sue you must make him a tuxedo :D

You can go to this link to see his progress from birth to now:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29664

But for now I am off to bed... Nite everyone... :p

Thanks! your little biewer puppy looks adorable too! girl? boy? and what is the name?