Julie, yes there has been "white" Yorkies in every litter between this mom and dad. That is how I saw my first one and started my long 2+ year wait to get one-either sex. I have a female that carries the piebald gene but she and Remi produced standard color puppies with very little white on either of them. There was a stillborn in the litter....she was alive up til the last 1/2 hour before she was born... and she had tri-color but not parti markings..
And , yes, both parents would have to carry the piebald gene as a recessive to get the parti marked puppies..
And, thanx for the comments on my babies. I am totally kennel-blind when it comes to this litter, The third little guy is in his forever home and is happy as a clam..

Finally!!
 

Sue, Gayle said you are talking to the president of the IBC, Dagmar. Do you understand now what I was trying to point out this whole time? I never said Homer is not a Biewer. But to breed to a US Yorkie is not acceptable, I am sure you are already aware of that. Maybe we can put water under the bridge and work together now that we are on the same page. Aren't we?

I wanted to make this public so everyone knows that we are on the same page :)

This is wonderful news and I am certain it will give a lot more credibility to our U.S Biewer breeders goals. :D :D

We're gonna be parents
 

Well, I had used my doppler on both of my Biewer girls and heard 3 little heartbeats in the uterus of each mom. We went to the vet today for confirmation (she does allow me to say "second opinion!) and, faith and begorrie, we are gonna have 6 babies within the next 10 days. I can hardly contain myself. Cruise man has proven himself....he was da man and he performed his duty on both girls within 3 days. Go figger!!!!!
Now, I can compare his get with the parti/Biewer babies I kept from Remi and Skylar. OMG, I am so excited!!! Gonna hafta double up on my blood pressure meds...
Poor Villette is gonna wear her fingers to the bone when those babies get here..

Congratulations,Rini.....How very exciting ! Good Luck ! :D :D

There is so much to learn about this breed; and I hope that some day I will be able to contribute to the biewer line.

Without being flamed, I would like to see this breed, and its breeders work out a way to put the different opinions behind and use this forum and others to educate and inform others about these lovely little dogs. There is so much to learn and I for one want to learn as much as I can.

This breed of Yorkshire Terrier is so new that NO ONE is an expert. Some are farther ahead in their research and learning processes BUT experts we and they AIN'T! I love them so much that I can never imagine not having a standard color Yorkie as well as my darlings both partis and Biewers.
Having these litters has been a deeply moving and wonderful experience, and my learning about them will continue as long as I am associated with them.
I have been asked to register Remi, my parti male, in Germany, because they are so desperate for new blood.Apparently, AKC is recognized as legit by some orgs in Germany. I have given this great thought and will continue to consider it, but it will take a lot of info to make the decision about what to do..Alex and Marlee are the parti/Biewer mix puppies that I kept from the litter between Remi and Chrystel. Chrystel's current litter, just a few hours old, are with a TRUE Biewer and I cannot wait to compare the look, personality, coat and every other aspect of their lives..
Now, to try to settle down and wait for Ilsa's brood of 3....

I totally agree!! I have come here hoping to get help and knowledge. I was warned not to come out and say that I want to breed because of the negative feedback I might get. But, you don't get the help you need unless you ask for it, right? I hope this is a place that I can learn from all of you experienced breeders out there and not be discouraged from doing something I have dreamed of doing for so long. I have been studying book upon book, still I feel like I am missing the help I need. Will I find it here? I hope so. You all seem so knowledgable, but there seems to be some contention too. So far a couple of wonderful ladies have been helping me out. I don't always know all of the questions to ask, but as they come up it would be great to be able to come here and ask them. Sometimes emails can come across wrong and I hope this one hasn't. I am new here and hope I can learn as well as contribute.

Do you own a True Biewer ?

Do you own a True Biewer ?

Per Germany, they are a separate race meaning a breed of their own :)
I specifically asked this question to numerous breeders and the IBC. Is the Biewer a Yorkie or a Biewer. And I was told Biewer. So I go with that.

I can assure you I would not 'flame' you or anyone else. There is a huge debate controversy over what a Biewer is and how to breed it. The divide is Germany as well as the US. As you can see Rini and I do not agree. What i would suggest is hear both sides and do what you feel comfortable doing.
I can assure you I follow Germany and the club I am a member of. Some do not want 'a club to run their breeding program'. This is America so we are all free to do what we please. I do not get upset or offended with those that do not agree with me, however I do get backlash from those I dont agree with..go figure.

Anyway, feel free to ask questions. Just don't expect to get the same answer..lolol

Oh my gosh they are beautiful!

I agree, Irene....I consider my TRUE German Biewer to be a Biewer and not a Yorkie at all.

Your Biewers are just beautiful!!!! I think they Cute tooooo! I would also wish to own one some day. Good Luck with them! I know you are so proud! :thumbup:

Yes, I do. She is the sweetest little thing! I got her from Michele at BellaCane. She came form Germany and she has descendants (spelling?) from the Freidheck line. She is absolutely wonderful and beautiful. If I can figure out how to post pics here (or in other words get my hubby to do it) I will put a picture of her up.

Did Mr. Biewer originate the Freidheck line or does his line have a different name/pedigree? I am just beginning to learn this breed.

Next question: Why is there so much conflict here? I see everyone saying they want this breed, biewers, to be the best and reflect/trace back to the original origin. Am I missing something here?

Or is the name of the breed "true biewer" like cairn terrier; and german could be substituted for "true". IMHO this would be a more accurate name.

Again, no flaming would be appreciated. I am trying to understand this.

Hi,

I just sent you a message and didn't see this before. I am with you, still learning. All I know is that someone here said that if you could trace your Biewer to the Freidheck line it was a "true" biewer. No, I don't think that "true" biewer is a name like cairn terrier. I don't know why there is such controversy over what makes a Biewer authentic and what dosen't. As a new "greenie" here, it all seems silly to me. All I know is that I consider Zoe to be a ''true" biewer.

I guess you and I can learn together. Let me know when you have it all figured out! LOL

Isn't the purpose of the forum is to get, give, share information? (Besides getting to see the great pictures of everyone's furbabies.)

(Was it a requirement to have a puppy to discuss Biewers?) Did I miss this?

Biewers are sure beautiful.......really.........but they are not yorkies.

They are a different breed.They originated in Germany and who doesnt love them but they originated there. What is the hurry to accept them here?
The American yorkie has a parti yorkie, who had a heck of a time being accepted into the standard AKC yorkie breed for many years.. These dogs were bred here, and were considered a mutant of the breed for a long time. Some breeders destroyed them because they were not standard, sad but true.
People of the United States of America stick together like glue.

Is anyone loyal anymore? ABOLUTELY!
Your country is being sold to the highest bidder. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE IT>
UNITED WE STAND.

All I can say is that on 5 different registries that I have seen used for the Biewers each and every one of them says:

Biewer Yorkshire Terrier :confused:

I'm not quite sure that I understand this post? :confused: I have been interested in the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier since I first found out they existed. Since then, I have been doing a lot of reading and "semi-researching" to understand the breed a little better. Thus, I have been reading all the "Biewer" threads and trying to suck up any knowledge that I can. I realize that they "originated" in Germany -- and I also know they "originated" from a Yorkshire Terrier. The name from the German Registries and Clubs I have found call them "Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala pom pon." So, to me, it seems like they are Yorkshire Terriers that have acquired their color characteristics through recessive gene breeding. Research tells me that in Germany, they are considered their own breed -- and do not compete in the Yorkshire Terrier breed class until they go up against other breeds in the "Toy" class. When, and if the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier gets accepted into the AKC, I would assume this to be the case here as well. I hope that I am not going to "stir things up" again, as that doesn't seem to be productive in helping people learn about these dogs. I am not trying to re-start any debates -- just trying to understand a little better.

I just didn't understanding the part regarding "your country is being sold to the highest bidder." Unfortunately, our country is based on capitalism, and the only time that I see problems with introducing this wonderful Biewer Yorkshire Terrier breed to this country, is with the unethical breeders who are only "in it" for the money, and refuse to research ALL aspects of the breed, be it the genetics, color and health issues or problems that may come out "after" the unethical breeder has been paid, and spent the money -- and we have yet more doggies with genetic problems.

Sorry this post is so long -- I'm just trying to learn as much as I can!

:wavey:

Very true. They have evolved and now are a breed of their own. IF they were just a Yorkie they would be competeting as a Yorkie. The problem is the name "Yorkshire Terrier" is attached even though the breed is separate. It's a new breed, things will be ever changing for a while.

But to breed them to Yorkies now doesnt' make sense. Some have said you need to do this for color and health reasons. But that would only hide those issues. How about if a Yorkie line has LS or bad stiffles? My goal is to eliminate those issues. I run a tight program with my Yorkie I will run an even tighter one with my Biewers. I will not sell anything for breeding until I have produced several generations of healthy pure Biewers. If I ever come across something that requires in my program, 'breeding to a Yorkie' as some say, the ethical thing to do is eliminate it from my program by spaying and neutering the parents(s) that produce them.

What will happen is that I will lose money and start over but I am prepared for that. Be it my Yorkie program or my Biewer program.

I hear all this concern about health but the guarantees I've seen are only good for a year. Hmmm....