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01-25-2006, 06:19 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario
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| Blue Yorkies?? Can anyone point out a picture of someone with what you call a blue yorkie! I phoned a lady today and she has some blue yorkies being born in Feb. and I was wondering what the difference is from the black and tan ones. Hoping maybe to get another one at that time. |
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01-25-2006, 06:57 PM | #2 |
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| How does she know what color they are if they have not been born yet? Hmmm...I am assuming she means blue as in steel blue. |
01-25-2006, 07:39 PM | #3 |
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| Carol, are they AKC registered? I thought blue Yorks are not purebred. Might be wrong though. |
01-25-2006, 08:12 PM | #4 |
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| I have pics of an adult blue born Yorkie. They might and probably are purebred but are often afflicted with unusual conditions. They are not desirable and any breeder who breeds for blues intentionally (and I don't know what colors you would breed to gether to get blue!) is irresonsible and I would run NOT walk from them as far as buying a puppy is concerned. There is a site on the puter that goes into detail about these blues. That breeder should read it.. |
01-25-2006, 08:49 PM | #5 |
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| Standard colors are Blue and Gold, Blue and Tan, Black and Gold, Black and Tan. I am assuming since they are as yet unborn, she was referring to blue and gold/tan....and not, heaven forbid, blue born pups. Rini is the resident expert on the health problems associated with the blue born pups, but I don't think it is possible to breed FOR this genetic anomaly and I would hope no one would ever try.
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01-25-2006, 08:51 PM | #6 |
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| ooops forgot you asked for a pic This is blue...sorry for the same old pic of Ber...it's just easy for me to find and post...
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01-25-2006, 08:55 PM | #7 |
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| Yorkie pups should be black and tan at birth. Blue born are a problem and I would be surprised if they can reproduce. I would assume they are recessive gene meaning each parent would have to be a carrier for them to appear. A blue born is usually a lot of health problems especially allergy/skin problems and often do not have longevity. Certainly not something desireable or that you would breed for. For a puppy born black and tan, one can only wish that they will mature to a nice blue and tan/gold shaded furnishings but this cannot be predicted even at birth even from nice colour parents. |
01-26-2006, 07:45 AM | #8 |
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| Now I am going to have to stick up for these misfits (blue born pups). I have had 2 one has a full coat is almost 3 to this date and has no health problems. The other had sparce hair but is healthy to this date also. Everyone seems to knock them down and I see them no different than the reds and choc everyone seems to want. I would like to see some results on just how ill and what they seem to have for health problems, for I have not seen much difference in these blues and choc and reds and black ones myself? I think it depends on if they carry the gene that causes them to loose hair health problems etc.. They are no different than Chocolates and Reds that people are breeding with and should not. They may have a few more health problems which I have not seen but non the less a misfit just like the chocolates and reds. None of these off colored pups should be used for breeding and I know alot that do! They are just putting them back in the gene pool. Everyone seems to oo and ahh over these reds and chocolates but not the blues no different all, except maybe a few health problems and I am thinking maybe some of these reds and choc have health problems also just not talked about much. Here is a pic of our blue baby and he was adorable. I thank god for our blue baby for he has given us alot of knowledge, and brought us together with a very special person we love and adore, so without him we would of never met this lady. I do belive we had him just to cross paths with this special lady I do not know what we would do without. Hugs and kissesd to ya Grandma Teddy. I do know a person that has bred blue pups and they have no problem concieving and reproducing. And the litter produced all black pups, not a blue pup in the group. So desirerable maybe not but none of the off colored pups should be desirerable. And there seems so be a outpoouring of people who want the odd colored pups.IMO |
01-26-2006, 07:55 AM | #9 |
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| I was under the impression..blue pups are born blue..from the pic..you little guy looks like a black and tan pup. Do you have an adult pic? Oh I think it's great that you feel comfortable to post...we just may have different views |
01-26-2006, 07:56 AM | #10 |
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| What is the difference between a red and a chocolate? I just thought they were the same... |
01-26-2006, 08:06 AM | #11 |
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| Cher's site www.goldenrayyorkies.com has a terrific info sheet on genetics and explains why the blue born are a different genetic problem than the red/chocolate. As far as I'm aware, the red/choc/parti etc...recessives do not link genetically to the alopecia tendency of the blue born which is just the tip of the iceberg for health issues. Shame on the person who knowingly bred a blue born dog... People like that who knowingly perpetuate a problem just make me tired.
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01-26-2006, 09:36 AM | #12 |
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| Sylvan I would have to agree on that one. For there is alot of them that breed these blue and reds. If you get one by mistake that is fine but to breed for it is very wrong. Here is a pic of what they look like when born and cooper as an adult which he lost his grey hair and it came in black and has a full coat. He is over 3 years old and has not been to the vet for anything but shots. My husband works with the guy we sold him too so I have been kept up to date on him. I still worry about them for future health risks and I do not own them.I have told them both you do not want them they come back to me. We had one with no alopecia in him for he has a full coat and no health problems . The other was loosing his hair when he was 12 weeks old at 16 weeks he looked good but I could tell his coat was different more wirey I guess, but adorable non the less. Cannot find the pic of cooper full grown but I have put it on here before I belive. If you go to blue pups a thread there will a pic of him I will keep looking I have it somewhere |
01-26-2006, 09:49 AM | #13 | |
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I am not saying I think it is either right or wrong to breed a non-standard color-that is a different topic altogether and not the point of this thread. What I am saying is that there is a difference in breeding for a non-standard, otherwise healthy dog like the red/choc and breeding w/ blue genes w/ higher health problems. | |
01-26-2006, 09:52 AM | #14 |
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| If you go too help my friend has blue pups you will find the pic of him as an adult he is really grey in the face and his ears are down they clipped them and they came right up. He is a very good boy I seen him about 4 months ago nice coat, very silky and soft, I checked him over well and he looked healthy and all to me and no vet visits except for shots. So all are not health ridden and have problems. |
01-26-2006, 10:13 AM | #15 |
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| Now I would have to disagree you should not breed for anything but the correct color. To breed for reds and choc is not a good thing imo. The choc do not have the greatest coats either they can be wirey also and not grow as long as the normal black coat ,reds I do not know that much about I know they can have sparce hair also and not grow as long, hair is thinner on the legs etc. And with the blue it is if they carry the alopecia gene or not some do and some do not. So for me I guess I would be too afraid that something would go wrong or have unhealthy pups with any of the 3 colors, and there is nothing worse than worring about pups will they be healthy etc. I would never take the chance my self. We had 2 blues and I never want to ever see another color besides black and brown in my whelpiing box. So I would have to say those that are breeding for this color (red or choc or blue) do not care much about breeding the best yorkies they can. I feel they are messing up the gene pool and dont some people do that enough? Let alone for us knowledgable breeders to do that!!!!!IMO |
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