Have u guys heard?
 

Have you guys heard or researched on www.yorkietpup.com ? The owner is Jeff Dane and http://www.firebrandyorkies.com ? I have heard good reviews about them....but I have not personally met them :)

Are you saying that www.yorkiepup.com and Jeff Dane are not reputable or that they are??

this is silly please anyone that wants to know about Jeff Dane or his multitude of websites do a YT topic search...then a google search...

THIS TOPIC as been discussed enough.

Chang you were a party to the other thread asking about him so why are you asking again!!!?????

JEFF DANE at his best with his AKA or little site helpers to get people to his sites DONT FALL FOR THESE LAST TWO POST, with the exception of Kimberley!!!

ENOUGH SAID!

Kimberly is right - Jeff Dane has a TERRIBLE rep and you can search the net or get on his site to see why - That man is a Breed for Profit greedy breeder who has sold many sick puppies in the few years I've been researching and posting about yorkies.

On the other side of the coin, there are people who rave and say good things about him so I would simply suggest that you not pay attention to forum rumors from people who have never been to his kennel or spoken to him personally and that everyone do their own research and call him and preferably go see his kennel and make up their own mind. There were rumors spread which are not true, and I have a couple of forum friends who got pups from him and were at his facility, met him in person and think he is the greatest.

I have never met him or seen his kennel and the things I read on the internet do not sound credible to me so my opinion is based on his website, some email communications and what my friends who have gotten puppies from him have said.

SO MUCH FOIR NOT DISCUSSING THIS KIM!

STOP !!!!

These are obviously shells!!! in yet another game of chess to get interest back to his site!

ADMIN would you please close this thread!

Kim..SOCAL...This thread is about BAD Breeder experiences - can we stay on that subject and not change the thread ?

I would hate to see a debate start here and it get closed - this thread has already helped many people.... and though I can't talk about it on the site yet - let's just say YORKIETALK should be proud of itself for keeping this thread up 1-1/2 YEARS and it's still being read.

You just have no idea Kim - let's not end it because you want to praise Jeff Dane......This thread is not about praising breeders - it's to WARN people to in Texas to watch out where they buy their puppies.

PLEASE ....we all know how you feel ...let's leave it at that.

sorry~
 

Sorry, I totally forgot about that, is just that one of my friend wanted to get a baby from there, and I didn't know what to say to her...so I asked ..

That's ok !! We sometimes get off subject - we all do it -

Help your friend by doing searches on the net - Type in Jeff Dane -

One thing about looking at websites ...we don't really get the whole image - look at the prices - look at the pictures - you will feel in your heart if you know it's a good site or bad - even better - visit in person....but try not to fall for the Hype of Jeff Dane - he is a master of Sales and has made alot of money by being so good - what people don't see is the broken hearts left in his wake. I used to know quite a few people who dealt with him - it's not good.

Is there anything we can do about it?
 

Is there anything we can do about these kind of breeders? ? ?
I feel so bad for the puppies...they have done nothing wrong...
They need to be stopped...and the puppies need to go to a good home.... :mad:

Hey, Candy here is your original post....
Thing's slip my mind also... I completey made my ___ late for the football game because I put his tickets up, and forgot where they were...He is at the game now...So no problem :thumbup:

The best thing to do is share personal experiences or share something you know to be true - pass the word along and try to enlighten people about the dangers of buying from unethical or really BAD breeders ...If you know of abuse or neglect - report it....it can't hurt that's for sure.

I posted THIS thread a long time ago about experiences I personally had.... and you'd be surprised at where it went in as far as people reading ...

people really can help each other & in turn - we can help the poor dogs in bad situations...or at least get people to take notice.

Mone't ...Where did you get that post by Candice and who is she referring to ? I missed that one !! Poor girl !! That sounds awful

Edited again - I found it - she went to Oklahoma and Candice - I WOULD report that.

Thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread!

Here's an update on the Wizard of Claws in Florida:
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March 12, 2005
Picket signs go up at pet store
Dog lovers protested a Pembroke Pines

With a frisky Chihuahua at her feet, Vanessa Bosse and about a dozen others picketed a Pembroke Pines store Saturday, accusing its owners of tricking customers into buying sick puppies.

Even though Nacho, Bosse's dog, came with a certificate of health, he had diarrhea the day she took him home from the Wizard of Claws store, she said. Nacho was also coughing and scratching his ears, said Bosse, 44, who lives in Sunny Isles Beach and Monte Carlo.

''We would really like to educate people so they will not be fooled like we were fooled,'' said Bosse, who filed a lawsuit against Wizard of Claws in Broward Circuit Court late last year. ``You don't have to buy a dog when you can adopt one.''

Protesters said they want to encourage others not to buy from the store at 9113 Taft St.

A SEPARATE LAWSUIT

Last month, the national Humane Society joined a separate lawsuit in Broward Circuit Court against the store on behalf of five customers in Cooper City, Miami, Texas and California.

Originally filed in 2003, the lawsuit asks the court to find the store in violation of the Florida Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act, and to order the store to repay customers for the purchase price and veterinarian expenses.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist also opened an investigation on Feb. 15, looking into claims against Wizard of Claws, said Crist's spokeswoman JoAnn Carrin.

A call to the store from The Miami Herald was not returned Friday. The doors were locked Saturday, and employees in the store would not open the door. One employee said Jim Anderson, whose wife, Gilda owns the store, was out of town.

Anderson previously told The Miami Herald that he doesn't knowingly sell sick puppies: ``They leave here apparently looking healthy.''

Bosse, who paid more than $5,000 for Nacho, a fawn and white Chihuahua, took him home Jan. 29. A few days later, her veterinarian diagnosed Nacho with kennel cough, ear mites and giardia, a parasite living in the small intestines, she said.

Bosse became suspicious. She said she tracked down her breeder in Oklahoma with the help of the stopwizardofclaws.com web site.

Bosse's veterinarian, another breeder and an official from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services confirmed that Nacho was the result of breeding within the same family of dogs, which can lead to health problems, Bosse said.

''It broke my heart,'' said Bosse ``I was devastated.''

PUPPY MILLS

Saturday's protesters, including at least one member of a South Florida rescue group, stood on Taft Street holding picket signs. They claim Wizard of Claws buys dogs from ''puppy mills,'' or massive out-of-state commercial breeding operations.

Breeders in ''puppy mills'' do not take into account the dogs' pedigree or genetics, said Judi McKissick, a board member of the Bulldog Club of South Florida.

''They are not breeding for the betterment of the breed,'' she said. ``They are breeding purely for profit. It's a horrendous problem.''

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...y/14078146.htm

YES !!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I just read that whole article and thank you for posting that ....I think it's great that people are taking action and going after that Awful Pet Store...no one should have the heartache of buying a sick puppy...or worse...having their puppies die.

The information about them getting the Pet Store puppies from Mills hopefully is an eye opener for anyone considering a Pet Store to purchase their new dogs...Stay Away !!

I know I owe you a personal Thanks Fasteddie.....You have let people share what they know on this site without fear of anyone 'coming after' you...

This post I did so long ago did cause you some grief...I know the Kennel made threats about what I said....but you stood up to it and I want to thank you for that.

THIS comment io bold was pathetic by the WIZ of Claws:

A call to the store from The Miami Herald was not returned Friday. The doors were locked Saturday, and employees in the store would not open the door. One employee said Jim Anderson, whose wife, Gilda owns the store, was out of town.

Anderson previously told The Miami Herald that he doesn't knowingly sell sick puppies: ``They leave here apparently looking healthy.''

YEAH...Right. I'm sure people believe him.

So....We have The Wizard of Claws....action taken against them
Brushy Creek Kennels in Texas.....Pending action against them
Jeff Dane in Texas....NEEDING someone to talk action against him

LLovers Yorkies
 

WOW! I have a pair of Yorkies from Llovers Yorkies, and I was shocked to see what you wrote. My female is 15 years old and doing great. As far as hair cuts, this is Texas and a summer cut can be very nice for a dog that isn't going to a show, but she doesn't even cut all her dogs as you said. As far as keeping her dogs outside full time, that's not even close to being right. She has a covered porch that she lets her puppies play on if the weather is nice, but she also has a very nice dog house with AC/Heat that she keeps her dogs in as well. All I can say is that our two Yorkies are perfect in every way, and have been a joy to our family. I also understand that your very first Yorkie came from Llovers Yorkies, so why did you buy from her? Sorry if I seem upset with your comments, but I know for a fact that LLovers Yorkies are nothing like you say, and if you ever need a long list of people that are happy with their dogs from her, I would be more than happy to get you one. I would even bet that you love the Yorkie you bought from her as well, should I ad your name to that list? Sorry, but thats just not right!

[QUOTE=red98vett]I was so mad about my 2 experiences that I wrote a long letter detailing everything - posted it on forums, emailed it to anywhere I could find...wrote the AKC, and am still looking for the SPCA in Hockley TX !

Call the Houston SPCA. They handle on the areas in Houston and the surrounding areas.

TxBlueJoe ...sorry - I POSTED MY experience not yours.

Everything I said is true. I also know others who've bought puppies from her. Chanel came from Llovers Yorkies and my other yorkie came from a breeder in Pearland. I have only purchased ONE yorkie from Betty but that was an awful experience 4 years ago.

She and a woman (possibly her sister) named Sandy run SCAMS on people. IF one doesn't sell a puppy - the other will. BELIEVE me ...I JUST SPOKE to someone who bought a puppy just a few weeks ago. Nothing has changed....Both women were involved in this sale yet they CLAIM to not have anything to do with each other. Yeah right. They play off each other so when someone is wishy washy about buying from one ...the other steps up and says she has better puppies. It's a SCAM.

She sells puppies at 6 WEEKS old - Moms ARE shaved down and do have an outdoor 'house'. She only brings the puppies inside when showing them....You can say what you want ....but I shared My experience.

After getting Chanel ...she almost died the first week... she became Very sick. OF course I called her breeder to ask why she was so sick and not eating. She told me it was STRESS. IT was NOT Stress.

After the trip in the middle of the night to the ER....I was told Chanel had Coccidia. She weighed 16 OINCES at the time so this was very scary. (remember I said she was only 6 weeks old)

I left a message for the breeder again - She NEVER returned my calls - not once. IF SHE CARED ABOUT THE PUPPIES SHE SELLS SHE WOULD HAVE RETURNED MY CALL ! I was a nervous wreck back then. This was my first small breed dog.

Chances are since MY puppy had it - there were other infected puppies. Her attitude was TERRIBLE. All Betty had to do was help educate me as I had never heard of coccidia and Chanel had it.

Was I upset with the breeder ? No - not at first...but I WAS Scared for my yorkie. I DID get upset when I realized she didn't care if Chanel lived or died. Oh yes - I was upset and still am. She could have done so much to help educate me and couldn't be bothered.

A friend has a yorkie from her who endured 2 surgeries before she turned a year old her knees were THAT bad. She doesn't give a hoot about those puppies once they leave her premises. Once that cash is handed over - she's done with you....and MOST puppies are sold way too early - 6 WEEKS.

and since this is your FIRST post here....I won't ramble on anymore - we are ALL entitled to our opinions. I've done alot of research on this particular breeder and she is NOT ETHICAL AT ALL. I would never have posted about her if she was....I have other people that can back up everything I've said.

OF Course a breeder is going to be nice when they are TAKING your money - but don't expect any follow up or her to care once the puppies leave her - she doesn't care at all. She's already selling another one.

I ADORE my Chanel but I don't have any respect for her breeder and her ethics....SO. I'm happy you had a good experience - but please don't imply I am a liar - I'm NOT.

by the way - do you happen to be a friend of hers ? Anything I've said here I can back up and will be happy to supply you all with documents and vet bills AND others who have been to her place in Richmond.

Wow Villette! I wasn't a YT member yet when you originally posted about this back in March :eek: ...what was the outcome?

Villette, I just read some of what you wrote. Doesn't Jeff Dane post on here occasionally and if so, has anybody on Yt had experiences with him?

Oh and one more thing...since you seem to know Chanel's breeder so well - I'm sure you heard the 'Fire' story she's told for about 4-5 years ? I havent asked the latest person who just purchased a puppy from her recently if she heard it also ....but it goes like this.

Betty sells BIG yorkies. She claims to have small to average sizes. When you visit the home - she tells potential clients that she lost ALL her yorkies to a fire and these are the new moms she's breeding.

I don't KNOW if a fire occured - but when she told ME about it ....she made it sound like it had JUST HAPPENED and she was just getting 'over' it.....

She implies it just happened recently....actually mentions going on vacation and coming back to her OUTSIDE area being burned down and all the yorkies were killed. (looking back - why were all her yorkies alone to begin with... and WHY were they outside) ? :confused:

You feel SO bad hearing it that you just want a puppy from her no matter what. I know I did ...Well..she told that SAME story to a friend of mine over 6 YEARS ago when she purchased HER yorkie.

Oh yes - she may act like she loves her yorkies - but she doesn't care about them once she makes a sale. She's a very good saleswoman.

I know Brushy Creek is in trouble - many people have filed complaints against them - MANY. They are pretty much classified as a puppy mill IMO

as far as Chanel's breeder...I never did report her... but I sure don't refer her and if I do...it comes with a big warning.

Also, why do people always pop up out of the woodwork for comments about a bad breeders. The people that support these breeders always seem to be newbies with few posts.

Yes they do. Funny how that thread got pulled out of the ARCHIVES lol...

it's cool - I stand by everything I said.

I don't know about here - but I've seen him post. Not pretty.

A member here did have a good experience...and there's others that did NOT. I've spoken to someone that's been to his place and they had nothing good to say about him at all ..but they didn't get a puppy. I have seen alot of people post that were extremely unhappy with him as a breeder/broker

Oh man Villette, I just read your post above about the breeders and I had no idea! Thanks for sharing that.

I'm back again..hee hee
I can't get over the coccidia part with Chanel... I have had 2 litters in the past to come down with it. And I am talking about pups who had never been out doors other than in a crate going to the vet. Mom's and Dad's who live only in my house and were current on anything and everything they needed. I caught the cocci very early and immediately treated. No Way would I have let any pup leave without a final fecal done to determine if they were all clear. That breeder who let Chanel go must have really not cared one way or the other if the pups were infected because as sick as you say she was the next week, you can bet it had been there a while. It doesn't do much to them at all in the early stage. Once it's been there and IF NOT TREATED it will manifest into diareaha, dehydration, vomiting, weight loss, many many problems that can result in death. I'm sorry Chanel had to go through that. :mad:

This thread is from the YEAR 2004 and my feelings are still the same.

Brushy Creek Kennels are evil people. They sell sick dogs consistently and I had personal emails to back that up. People with broken hearts who had dogs die... or be so ill they had mountains of vet bills wrote me ...and it was just horrible to see how many people they ripped off - not to mention the poor dogs. :( People like that have a special place waiting for them.

With Chanel's breeder - I back up my post 100%. She has no ethics at all.

Thank you Robbie. I know it's a very common problem - but breeders like YOU would take care of it immediately. I know if you knew a puppy was sold with this ...you'd be in constant touch with the new mom/dad ...and would do all it takes to clear it up and ensure it doesn't happen anymore.

All Chanel's Breeder did was add a CLAUSE to her contract removing herself from any responsiblility. She must have a HUGE problem with it to have to cover her a** with a rewritten contract a YEAR or so after I got Chanel ...

When I saw that new revised contract I KNEW she is still selling sick puppies. I sure never asked her for money - I just wanted help with my brand new puppy and she kicked us both to the curb.

THAT's the difference with having ethics and not having them.

I really am so sorry for the problems you had with your puppy. I know how much I love my two Yorkies, and I sure understand how worried I would have been if I had anything happen to them. I wasn't trying to imply that you are a liar, more that, I didn't agree with you when it comes to this breeder. If everytime someone disagrees with someone, it makes them a liar, then the shoe would fit us all. As I have stated, I have been to her house many times and didn't see all the shaved dogs, dogs kept outside full time, and most of all, I didn't meet a person that doesn't care about her dogs or the people she sells them to. I met a very caring person that really loves her dogs and does her best to make sure they go to good homes. As far as her house burning down, it burnt down on Christmas Day while her, her three young boys and her husband were out visiting with family for Christmas. If all the dogs had been kept outside then she wouldn't have lost all her dogs. The fact is she lost her dogs, her home, and her Christmas for her family. If you bought your dog right after this happened, then I would not be shocked at all if she was a little off. I am sure it was awful to worry like that about your baby yorkie, but if she was not there for you as much as you needed, I would only guess that she really was off due to her loss of home and everything she owned and loved. It sounds like she tried to explain her hard times in attempt to reach out to someone with her pain, and you took it as a scam. All you had to do, and still could do, is call the fire dept there and ask if her home and dogs burnt down to the ground on Christmas Day. Then to top it off, some man that nobody seemed to know came in and took her puppies during the fire and put them in his car for safe keeping, never to be seen again. They came home later that night to find their home gone and her dogs gone. I am not saying that this makes what happened to you any less stressful, but I will say that maybe, just maybe you didn't catch her at a great moment??? I know her well enough to know that she would have made you some kind of offer to make things right. As far as your puppy being sick, she does have all her animals vet checked, so I would think that you got those papers at the same time you picked up your puppy. I am not here to debate what happened, because I don't know what happened to you. I do know that Betty is a very caring person. Sorry that you didn't get to meet the real Betty, but she isn't anything like you said. I am not calling you a liar, but maybe if you lost your home, all your dogs, and had to see the faces of your children coming home to a burnt out Christmas, then maybe you might see how she could be a little off when you needed her, but don't be to sure thats who she is, until you meet her on fair grounds. I am not sure who this Sandy person is, but Betty doesn't have a partner in crime as you seem to think. Betty has her own dogs and I can only guess if she sent you to someone else, it was in an attmept to help you find what you were looking for. Yes, I would consider Betty a friend of mine. If I bought an animal from you I would also want you to be my friend as well, it helps to know your breeder. Once again, I am sorry for the problems you had, but the " house burning down story" wasn't a scam, it was a very sad day for that family, and all you had to do is make a phone call to find out the truth about that. You still seem to have a lot of anger about Betty, and I would love to know if you ever tried to talk it out with her? She really is a cool person, and I bet you are too. Maybe if you took the time to check out her "house story" and looked into yourself to see how you would have been during that time, then maybe you might see that she really isn't the demon you think you met. It was funny, because she has a picture of you, and your dog that you bought from her on her wall. I really think she loved how lovely you and your dog looked together. Sounds like she did care and maybe with bad timing things went wrong? Like I said, I don't know what really happened to you, I just want others to know that their are two sides to every story. I do wish you the best with any and all your babies. I hope I didn't upset you, but it was upsetting to hear something about someone like Betty who I know is a very good person with a great love for people and her dogs. You seem to love your dogs very deeply, to still feel the pain that you feel. I only ask that maybe by taking a deeper look into things, maybe you may even see things in a better light. As for anyone that thinks they can breed dogs and never have a problem, all I can say is, you have never bred any kind of animals. Sometimes a vet may miss something. Sometimes even a breeder may miss something. Next I guess is where you either have to have faith in others or not. If something goes wrong, is it because the person is bad, or is it because there was a mistake? I can't answer how you feel, but I know many vets and breeders have had those opps moments, and the Betty I know would have tried to work something out with you. Maybe I am all wrong? Maybe she has faked a friendship with my family for the last 15 years? If she is a fake, she should stop selling dogs and go into acting, lol... I do hope you the best, really my heart goes out to both of you. Any bad times in this life only rob us of a great moment. Best wishes to you all :)