Protecting lines

[Jan L.]

Thumbs up, Lorraine. Well said.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by CC's

I'm not so much worried about protecting lines. Good lines need shared to keep the breed going strong.

I worry only about protecting my pup I let go. I don't want them living in some kennel only getting attention when its time for breeding, or being dumped when they aren't good breeders any longer. I want them to be valued family members that are loved every day for their entire lives.

Your statement "Good lines need shared to keep the breed going strong" is absolutley right. However, I am very selective of where and how I would be willing to share my line. I do not want a stud service from my male to someone who just wants to breed their female for 'just one litter' as the female is a pet quality. I am not willing to share my line by selling a pup for breeding so someone can just sell puppies. That sort of breeding does not keep the breed going strong, does not protect the Yorkie as a purebred in any way and certainly does not protect my line. I have another responsibility within my line. You see, to develop my line I won the trust of other very good responsible breeders that trusted me to use their stud or get a bitch from them. My pedigrees of my dogs and puppies carry their kennel name as well as mine. My responsibility carries through my line back to theirs to make sure no ones kennel names end up where they shouldnt be. That's a big responsibility.
If someone has immersed themselves in the Yorkie and is seriously interested in improving their line or wants to get into Yorkies for the purpose of contributing to the betterment of the breed through showing their dogs, being willing to be mentored, I would certainly be more interested in sharing my line.
I also agree with protecting a pup that you do let go to a new home. Whether it be a pet for a pet home or a show dog for a show home, I want it treasured and valued as much as I treasure and value them here in my home.

[whispersmom2]

In the past few months we have read so many times about puppies and or moms dying as a result of an owner's decision to breed their family pet. Yes, we have seen misinformation and yes, we have shared in the joyous moments when all has gone well.
BUT, we have also been here to support a grieving owner when a whelping has gone badly and loss of our loved companion has occurred. We do tell the bad when it happens and hopefully, we learn from it!! Every experience can be a learning one and we need to look for that knowledge when we are discussing all phases of breeding. We do appreciate the breeders who are pros adding their input but we all have a lot to share. So, keep sharing your experiences and we will keep learning and sharing and caring.

[lily's mom]

Originally Posted by CC's

I worry only about protecting my pup I let go. I don't want them living in some kennel only getting attention when its time for breeding, or being dumped when they aren't good breeders any longer. I want them to be valued family members that are loved every day for their entire lives.

Of course good lines are extremely important but I think you hit the nail on the head!!! They need to be loved every single day of their little precious life. That would be my biggest fear if I were a breeder.

[BlumoonYorkies]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Is this the same thing as a mentoring contract??

I am not sure what a mentoring contract is. I meant with a strict contract selling for showing/breeding in order to protect my lines and guide the person starting out breeding in order to become a responbile breeder who cares about the breed NOT the MONEY! As all of us show breeders know we do NOT make money at this we go in the whole big time! This should be a hobby not a way to make money! Showing is expensive to say the least! But can be fun and rewarding as your able to start to take pride in what you are doing, knowing your actually helping to keep the breed healthy and obtaining true type that so many who do NOT show have no idea of what correct structure, type and texture are for this amazing breed! Since I started into showing I have learned so so much! Showing has helped me to become the breeder I am today!

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

I am not sure what a mentoring contract is. I meant with a strict contract selling for showing/breeding in order to protect my lines and guide the person starting out breeding in order to become a responbile breeder who cares about the breed NOT the MONEY! As all of us show breeders know we do NOT make money at this we go in the whole big time! This should be a hobby not a way to make money! Showing is expensive to say the least! But can be fun and rewarding as your able to start to take pride in what you are doing, knowing your actually helping to keep the breed healthy and obtaining true type that so many who do NOT show have no idea of what correct structure, type and texture are for this amazing breed! Since I started into showing I have learned so so much! Showing has helped me to become the breeder I am today!

Basically, from what I understand, a mentoring contract is what you have described above. Someone wanting to purchase an intact male or female and the show breeder would then stictly guide and mentor the buyer for showing and breeding.

[BlumoonYorkies]

[QUOTE=yorluvr]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

We reputable established show breeders have worked hard to have healthy lines not just Champions! So protecting them is my number one concern and making sure each and every puppy that leaves here is already spayed/nuetered.

Gigi, that is one thing I have not done in the past, but feel compeled to start. What age do you spay/ neuter? I have a beautiful male going to a pet home. He will be neutered before leaving but he is an older male. Many people who do not show do not understand the time and financial commitment the show breeders go through to establish a healthy line. Finding that one special show puppy in the litter is the icing.

I have no problem selling to a newcomer. But, again, they must be close by so I can attend shows with them, teach them how to wrap coats, etc. I would rather neuter my dogs and place in a loving pet home than take a chance they or their get end up in a puppy mill.
Julie
Jo-Nel, Reg'd
http://www.jonelyorkies.com

Julie,
I was very unsure of early spay/nueter as alot are. I worked very close with my vet and now I cannot even think about allowing a pet to leave not already altered! I have heard of many people getting one from a reputable show breeder not spaying/nuetering them per the contract and taking and registering them in other registries just to breed and have them registered with a registry as some people believe those other registries are as reputable as the AKC tries to be with DNA testing and inhome inspections. Now I am not saying they don't have room for improvement as they do but they do try more than other's, and are the best one out there. Most puppy mills have left AKC because of the newer giuidelines. But Julie give it a try with your males first as mine do not even get a stitch they are glued down there. The surgery is less invasive. And once you feel comfy with the males getting altered it will be time to try it with your females. I have a friend who started this way. She was apprehensive in the begining as well. And now she is more at ease with it. You are never truly comfy but you do learn to trust your vet in doing the procedure. And ALL pet buyers love that I am taking the risk and not them and are thrilled to get it behind them and just have to worry about the loving on them part! There is also an early spay/nuetering thread going on uo here as well.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

knowing your actually helping to keep the breed healthy and obtaining true type that so many who do NOT show have no idea of what correct structure, type and texture are for this amazing breed! Since I started into showing I have learned so so much! Showing has helped me to become the breeder I am today!

Gigi, I like how you explained this. I feel the passion in your post. When I started out with my Yorkies I felt the same passion from other breeders I've talked. I will admit, I didn't take them as passions, I thought the breeders were being snotty and stingey (sorry being honest here) with their lines.

After learning some hard and costly lessons dealing with breeders that would sell me something, no questions ask. I now realize the importance of protecting the lines and how to translate your words into passion to keep what you so hard for worked for close to home.

I see my posts coming off the same manner regarding the Biewers, speaking for myself, some times words in bold/caps are misinterpreted. I speak of passion and excitement that all the questions I had have been answered just recently. Nothing more. I take your posts as such; nothing personal.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

knowing your actually helping to keep the breed healthy and obtaining true type that so many who do NOT show have no idea of what correct structure, type and texture are for this amazing breed! Since I started into showing I have learned so so much! Showing has helped me to become the breeder I am today!

Maybe I've got the rose colored glasses on but I'd like knowing that there are show breeders out there that will take serious people under their wings and teach them all that they know. I've been fortunate to know some very sweet people that are willing to educate us and hold nothing back.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Maybe I've got the rose colored glasses on but I'd like knowing that there are show breeders out there that will take serious people under their wings and teach them all that they know. I've been fortunate to know some very sweet people that are willing to educate us and hold nothing back.

Kimberley~ I couldn't agree with you more! I've been reading all this info on Biewers because I find it interesting. But I am starting to get a feeling of imposed inferiority? for lack of better term.
I am now, more than ever, thankful that I had and still have the opportunity to work with such a wonderful breeder in all my studying who respected my goals and steered me in the right direction.
I don't claim to be even closed to the most experienced all-knowing breeder on this forum, but from time to time I tend to get the feeling that those of us who breed but don't show are not considered "equal" to those who do. I don't show because I choose not to. Does that mean that I don't know what quality of Yorkie should be bred? No, it does not. Does that mean that my goal and concern is not "to better the breed?" No, it does not. Does that mean I am irresponsible and in it just for the money? No, it does not. It just means that at this time in my life, stepping in the ring is not something I care to pursue. However, I don't think that neccessarily makes those of us who do breed without showing any less dedicated to what we do. I feel like sometimes its looked at like "If you are not going to step in a ring and do NOTHING but this, you are not worthy of breeding at all."
No one or no one comment in particular, just snips of things here and there. Just kind of disheartening is all. I know how hard I work at what I do and to see it discredited and so easily dismissed because I don't step in a ring is very upsetting is all.

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Maybe I've got the rose colored glasses on but I'd like knowing that there are show breeders out there that will take serious people under their wings and teach them all that they know. I've been fortunate to know some very sweet people that are willing to educate us and hold nothing back.

I must totally agree with you kimberly. I have been breeding for 10 yrs, I've got that part down pat, have established healthy lines, and am just getting to a place in my life where I am ready to show. My hard work and dedication over the years is something that most people would never understand. I have met a couple show breeders who are willing to help me along the way and I'm very thankful for that. I respect them for what they've accomplished and they respect me for being a serious breeder/fancier without judging me!! I've always enjoyed yt and all the people and friends I've met. But sometimes we always seem to fall back into that same thing: certain folks being "catergorized" due to not showing exclusively. I can only hope that the show breeders have enough of an open mind to tell the difference between serious hobby breeders and byb's. Thanks.

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Kimberley~ I couldn't agree with you more! I've been reading all this info on Biewers because I find it interesting. But I am starting to get a feeling of imposed inferiority? for lack of better term.
I am now, more than ever, thankful that I had and still have the opportunity to work with such a wonderful breeder in all my studying who respected my goals and steered me in the right direction.
I don't claim to be even closed to the most experienced all-knowing breeder on this forum, but from time to time I tend to get the feeling that those of us who breed but don't show are not considered "equal" to those who do. I don't show because I choose not to. Does that mean that I don't know what quality of Yorkie should be bred? No, it does not. Does that mean that my goal and concern is not "to better the breed?" No, it does not. Does that mean I am irresponsible and in it just for the money? No, it does not. It just means that at this time in my life, stepping in the ring is not something I care to pursue. However, I don't think that neccessarily makes those of us who do breed without showing any less dedicated to what we do. I feel like sometimes its looked at like "If you are not going to step in a ring and do NOTHING but this, you are not worthy of breeding at all."
No one or no one comment in particular, just snips of things here and there. Just kind of disheartening is all. I know how hard I work at what I do and to see it discredited and so easily dismissed because I don't step in a ring is very upsetting is all.

Tricia, you read my mind! Where's that boom boom tree??

[red98vett]

This is to the breeders I've come to know on this site.

While I'M NOT a Breeder - I truly respect what you do and know how much love and sweat you have put into your breeding programs. If I were ever looking to get another puppy - I would only look at the BREEDER ....and the word "Show" would have no bearing on my decision.

While I think it's great that people are show breeders - I also think it's great that there are breeders who don't show.

There are very wonderful breeders here and in MY opinion - one doesn't have to show to achieve respect.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't show because I choose not to. Does that mean that I don't know what quality of Yorkie should be bred? No, it does not. Does that mean that my goal and concern is not "to better the breed?" No, it does not. Does that mean I am irresponsible and in it just for the money? No, it does not. It just means that at this time in my life, stepping in the ring is not something I care to pursue. However, I don't think that neccessarily makes those of us who do breed without showing any less dedicated to what we do. I feel like sometimes its looked at like "If you are not going to step in a ring and do NOTHING but this, you are not worthy of breeding at all."
No one or no one comment in particular, just snips of things here and there. Just kind of disheartening is all. I know how hard I work at what I do and to see it discredited and so easily dismissed because I don't step in a ring is very upsetting is all.

I had this same converstation with a 'show breeder' on the phone. I had the same objections as to why I shouldn't have to show to prove to others or be accepted. Pah! I am not signing a co-ownership it's my dog!..I've said it all.

After a while, she realized she wasn't getting through to me, and finally said. "That's NOT why you show, you show to measure your breeding program". The light bulb turned on and I thought she's got point. From that conversation forward, I view showing or exhibiting in a different light.
Did she sell me a puppy? Nope. Now that she said that, my plan is to work with what I have. And measure my progress by showing, then improve when neccessary.

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

I had this same converstation with a 'show breeder' on the phone. I had the same objections as to why I shouldn't have to show to prove to others or be accepted. Pah! I am not signing a co-ownership it's my dog!..I've said it all.

After a while, she realized she wasn't getting through to me, and finally said. "That's NOT why you show, you show to measure your breeding program". The light bulb turned on and I thought she's got point. From that conversation forward, I view showing or exhibiting in a different light.
Did she sell me a puppy? Nope. Now that she said that, my plan is to work with what I have. And measure my progress by showing, then improve when neccessary.

I agree to an extent, but while at the same time I would be careful to try to "measure" a breeding program against anyone's , show or not. I understand that when you show you are trying to "show" the qualtity of the dog's you have produced compared to the standard. This is very sensible to me and always has been. At the same time, I have no quirks with any caring, dedicated breeder of any breed who raises babies for the general public to love. My experience has been that there are show breeders and hobby breeders who are in very different catergorys according to my standards of how a breed program should be conducted. I have met a show breeder of a different breed than our beloved yorkies that had a horrible in-home atmosphere for their dogs, but kicked ass in the ring. I have also met hobby breeders who have never nor do they ever intend to step foot in a show ring that have gorgeous, healthy babies that I would take in a heart beat. I'm really tired of GOOD breeders, show or hobby being put up against each other.
In the end, it would mean nothing to me. The practices that a breeder displays is everything to me.