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crystalsmom · 01-07-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

There are many people that has breed two dogs and say they are a breeder. To me a breeder is someone that has Studied and learned as much as they can and has had more then one litter. I have breed Boxers and Pittbulls for many many years but I have never had a litter of Yorkies. One can study and learn all they can and still forget a lot, I keep copy's of every thing I learn and have folders on it all, So I can go back and refresh my memory when needed.There is no way I can remember every thing. I think there are many people that have had one litter and consider their self's as breeders, to me they are not breeders.They are someone that is learning to breed.

That's not what the dictionary says, Debby. What you are is a GOOD breeder but too
many are breeding without even the basic information.

BamaFan121s · 01-07-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

There is so much to learn just as a yorkie owner much less a breeder. That is why this forum and others like it are so important as long as the info disseminated is accurate.

I totally agree with you here! I don't think it would be possible for anyone to learn every single little aspect about this or any other breed, no matter how long you've been around them! Everytime I'm on this website, I learn something or some trick or some suggestion that I never have learned before.

BamaFan121s · 01-07-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

That's not what the dictionary says, Debby. What you are is a GOOD breeder but too
many are breeding without even the basic information.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to get everyone to agree on this definition or to agree on their opinions and come up with an actual, final, official "answer" to the question at hand

I guess when it comes down to it, it is one person's opinion against another! I suppose the only safe, definate statement that can be made is that we all love our pooches and Yorkies in general...otherwise, none of us would be here (as in on this site).

yorkiemom1970 · 01-07-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I totally agree with you here! I don't think it would be possible for anyone to learn every single little aspect about this or any other breed, no matter how long you've been around them! Everytime I'm on this website, I learn something or some trick or some suggestion that I never have learned before.

Me too!

crystalsmom · 01-07-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I am finding the same thing and some of the topics that are raised and there are breeders who aren't even aware of the issue...it shocks me and it happens all the time. There is so much to learn just as a yorkie owner much less a breeder. That is why this forum and others like it are so important as long as the info disseminated is accurate.

EVEN VETS know very little most times and that is really scary!! If you can't trust or rely on your breeder or your vet....it's just YOU!!!

Very good points. When I first joined I was ambivalent about trusting when it came
to some of the health issues but you do get to know after a while who you can trust.

crystalsmom · 01-07-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to get everyone to agree on this definition or to agree on their opinions and come up with an actual, final, official "answer" to the question at hand

I guess when it comes down to it, it is one person's opinion against another! I suppose the only safe, definate statement that can be made is that we all love our pooches and Yorkies in general...otherwise, none of us would be here (as in on this site).

I should not have posted the last post and just left it as it was. Joan

YorkieShadow · 01-07-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

That's not what the dictionary says, Debby. What you are is a GOOD breeder but too
many are breeding without even the basic information.

This is true, There are many people putting a male and a female together and not knowing one thing about the breed or what they are breeding, The risk and everything else involved The word Breeder in the dictionary gives a definition of that word. not giving a person the title but giving you the meaning of the word Breeder
Breeder Def on the web.
means a person subject to the licensing requirements under part 2 and meeting the definition of a ``dealer'' (Sec. 1.1), and whose business involving animals consists only of animals that are bred and raised on the premises in a closed or stable colony and those animals acquired for the sole purpose of maintaining or enhancing the breeding colony.

feminvstr · 01-07-2006, 05:53 PM

It appears some didnt care for the definition posted. Here is a further explaination of the Wikipedia definition, I think it sums it up quite well "different types of breeders"

Dog breeding

At its best, breeding is a blend of science and art. The skilled breeder has at least general knowledge of genetics and health, and in-depth knowledge of the breed standard and conformation points of his chosen breed. Most breeders are fiercely loyal to their dogs, and are concerned about each individual animal.

At worst, breeding can be a slipshod enterprise in which the major concern is profit, with little regard to the health and welfare of the dogs involved. These often take the form of so-called ‘backyard breeders’ (the term for random or ignorant breeding conducted on a small scale), and ‘puppy mills’ or ‘puppy farms’ (larger businesses). It must be pointed out, however, that many excellent breeders run small-scale programs in their homes, barns, or back yards, and there are profitable large-scale operations run with knowledgeable staff and superlative veterinary care, so size and motive alone are not indicative of the quality of the breeding program.

YorkieShadow · 01-07-2006, 06:08 PM

yorkiemom1970 · 01-07-2006, 06:13 PM

This is directly from a book on my shelves "the complete book of dog breeding"

"By definition a breeder is "one who is engaged in the breeding or propagation of a specific organism."

Like I tried to elaborate on with my first post on this...just because you are a "breeder" doesnt mean you are a good one, a bad one, or whatever. There are many kinds. And yes, the best kind of breeder is one who researches and does their homework prior. But my view on what a breeder is , is the fact that it is a person who mates any two animals. It could be a one time experience, or something that takes place several times. The "kind" of breeder is a whole different story. But anyone who purposely mates animals is considered to be a breeder. We all eventually define which kind we we will be.

We have a "breeder" on our street. She raises hamsters and guniea pigs. Is she knowledgeable on what she's doing? Not really. She basically went to a pet store, bought her mating pair, and voila! But I still consider her "the hamster breeder down the street".

This has been an intersting thread and I've enjoyed everyone's input thus far.

crystalsmom · 01-07-2006, 06:23 PM

exactly

I would advise if you want a good laugh go over to the barking thread

YorkieRini · 01-07-2006, 06:35 PM

This is all very interesting. My personally feeling on what a 'breeder' is, is someone that has put the time and effeort and love in reproducing a pair of animials of what ever kind. I've always thought you had to be somene serious and dedicated to earn the title 'breeder'. Like many have mentioned on this thread, unfortunately that's not the case. I guess that's why we have certain classifications of different 'types' of breeders: Backyard Breeders, Hobby Breeders, Show Breeders. I am going to start another thread on the different types of breeders I am curious to see how others describe certan 'types' of breeders.

I really enjoyed reading all the views on this thread. I was actaully able to understand the points and opinions of others. It's nice when we can agree to disagree and just leave it at that!

01-07-2006, 05:53 PM	#38
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	It appears some didnt care for the definition posted. Here is a further explaination of the Wikipedia definition, I think it sums it up quite well "different types of breeders" Dog breeding At its best, breeding is a blend of science and art. The skilled breeder has at least general knowledge of genetics and health, and in-depth knowledge of the breed standard and conformation points of his chosen breed. Most breeders are fiercely loyal to their dogs, and are concerned about each individual animal. At worst, breeding can be a slipshod enterprise in which the major concern is profit, with little regard to the health and welfare of the dogs involved. These often take the form of so-called ‘backyard breeders’ (the term for random or ignorant breeding conducted on a small scale), and ‘puppy mills’ or ‘puppy farms’ (larger businesses). It must be pointed out, however, that many excellent breeders run small-scale programs in their homes, barns, or back yards, and there are profitable large-scale operations run with knowledgeable staff and superlative veterinary care, so size and motive alone are not indicative of the quality of the breeding program. __________________ Kimberly

01-07-2006, 06:13 PM	#40
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	This is directly from a book on my shelves "the complete book of dog breeding" "By definition a breeder is "one who is engaged in the breeding or propagation of a specific organism." Like I tried to elaborate on with my first post on this...just because you are a "breeder" doesnt mean you are a good one, a bad one, or whatever. There are many kinds. And yes, the best kind of breeder is one who researches and does their homework prior. But my view on what a breeder is , is the fact that it is a person who mates any two animals. It could be a one time experience, or something that takes place several times. The "kind" of breeder is a whole different story. But anyone who purposely mates animals is considered to be a breeder. We all eventually define which kind we we will be. We have a "breeder" on our street. She raises hamsters and guniea pigs. Is she knowledgeable on what she's doing? Not really. She basically went to a pet store, bought her mating pair, and voila! But I still consider her "the hamster breeder down the street". This has been an intersting thread and I've enjoyed everyone's input thus far. Last edited by yorkiemom1970; 01-07-2006 at 06:16 PM.

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crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	I so agree!! exactly I would advise if you want a good laugh go over to the barking thread __________________

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01-07-2006, 06:35 PM	#42
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	This is all very interesting. My personally feeling on what a 'breeder' is, is someone that has put the time and effeort and love in reproducing a pair of animials of what ever kind. I've always thought you had to be somene serious and dedicated to earn the title 'breeder'. Like many have mentioned on this thread, unfortunately that's not the case. I guess that's why we have certain classifications of different 'types' of breeders: Backyard Breeders, Hobby Breeders, Show Breeders. I am going to start another thread on the different types of breeders I am curious to see how others describe certan 'types' of breeders. I really enjoyed reading all the views on this thread. I was actaully able to understand the points and opinions of others. It's nice when we can agree to disagree and just leave it at that!