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SoCalyorkiLvr 01-06-2006 06:13 PM
WHEN is a breeder a breeder?
 
This may sound like a wierd question and I hope no one is offended by it as that is not my intent (I COME IN PEACE...lol), but I noticed on the Breeder Facts thread that some of you say you have been breeding yorkies longer than you have been having litters, some by as much as 3 years.

As a lay person I just assumed that you weren't a breeder until you had a litter or until you had a pregnant female.

When is a breeder a breeder? When they start researching it? When they decide they are going to breed? When they buy their first breeding dog? When they have their first litter? or something else?

txshopper73 01-06-2006 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
This may sound like a wierd question and I hope no one is offended by it as that is not my intent (I COME IN PEACE...lol), but I noticed on the Breeder Facts thread that some of you say you have been breeding yorkies longer than you have been having litters, some by as much as 3 years.

As a lay person I just assumed that you weren't a breeder until you had a litter or until you had a pregnant female.

When is a breeder a breeder? When they start researching it? When they decide they are going to breed? When they buy their first breeding dog? When they have their first litter? or something else?
Interesting question. IMO, a hopeful breeder starts with research. That dream comes one step further when they purchase their first dam all the way up until they have their first litter. Even after they've had a litter, some people may not consider themselves a breeder. It could have been a one time affair. If they are serious about it, they will continue to breed the best to the standard as they can. All of this is JMO and some may see it completely different.

yorkiemom1970 01-06-2006 06:44 PM
Here's my opinion...
Once a person intentionally puts two animals together and creates new life, they are a breeder. It can be a GOOD one, a BAD one, or one WITH or WITHOUT knowledge, doesn't really matter when describing the term "breeder". This could go for dogs, cats, rabbits, cows, horses, whatever. If a person intentionally creates life among living creatures, I would have to say they are a breeder.

Gracy 01-06-2006 06:51 PM
You are a Breeder, when you breed (Mate a female with a Male ) and whelp a Litter. Plus most Breeders raise and place the pups to.
Then the cycle goes on and on.

YorkieRose 01-06-2006 06:55 PM
question
 
I can buy a violin, I can look at it, handle it, listen to violin music, talk to other violinists, go to concerts..but until I learn to play it, I am not a violinist, right?

The word "breeder" is one who reproduces animals...not reading, studying, learning..but doing it. Putting into practice. IMO
BUT...the preparation will determine how good a breeder a person will be..and anyone who prepares well is to be commended..most do not.

shyorkies 01-06-2006 07:08 PM
Breeder
 
In my opinion (for what it is worth) a breeder becomes a breeder when they actually breed.. I spent two years researching the yorkshire terrier breed and the lines, before I actually ever bred for a litter of puppies.. I wanted to know the aspects to breeding/showing as well.. I also went to many many conformation shows, before I even went into a show ring.. I did research on the genetic defects of the yorkshire terrier and what lines I wanted to be a part of my program along with the lines I wanted nothing to do with..

Honestly what makes me sick to my stomach is when people just throw two dogs together for breeding and NEVER do any of the necessary homework to make sure they are breeding for healthy pups above all else! It amazes me how many so-called breeders cannot even tell you what is in their dogs pedigree, if they even know what a pedigree is! :mad:

feminvstr 01-06-2006 07:29 PM
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I can buy a violin, I can look at it, handle it, listen to violin music, talk to other violinists, go to concerts..but until I learn to play it, I am not a violinist, right?
Great analogy, Pat :thumbup:

A breeder is a person who practices the vocation of mating carefully selected specimens of the same breed to reproduce specific, consistently replicable qualities and characteristics.

on the breeder facts thread
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27267

I have four yorkies that are just for lovin' at the present time.

Do you intend in breeding your kids in the future "at the present time" are your words, which implies perhaps youre considering it in the future.

txshopper73 01-06-2006 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr
Great analogy, Pat :thumbup:

A breeder is a person who practices the vocation of mating carefully selected specimens of the same breed to reproduce specific, consistently replicable qualities and characteristics.

on the breeder facts thread
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27267
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I agree! I love Pat's analogy, too!

Kimberly, I love the definition that you posted...everyone should follow this!

BamaFan121s 01-06-2006 07:36 PM
I would agree, IMO, you would be classified as a breeder when you can consider the litter "your own," if that makes any sense at all. I guess my answer on the other thread was not a clear one and somewhat confusing. (It seemed so to me when I re-read it.) I would have to say that technically, I have been a breeder since August, but I studied and whelped under other breeders/mentors beforehand...which IMO is a neccessity and very important to experience first hand before proceeding on your own. :thumbup: But hey, we all gotta start somewhere, right! :D

txshopper73 01-06-2006 07:38 PM
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But hey, we all gotta start somewhere, right! :D
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

crystalsmom 01-06-2006 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970
Here's my opinion...
Once a person intentionally puts two animals together and creates new life, they are a breeder. It can be a GOOD one, a BAD one, or one WITH or WITHOUT knowledge, doesn't really matter when describing the term "breeder". This could go for dogs, cats, rabbits, cows, horses, whatever. If a person intentionally creates life among living creatures, I would have to say they are a breeder.
I agree Robbie with what you call a breeder; it's a matter of mating two animals
Now if it was "good breeder" it would be something else.

YorkieRini 01-06-2006 07:53 PM
Maybe mine was confusing...

I do agree with everyone..but I don't explain it the same way. I usually say I've been a breeder for 5 yrs but only had pups the past 3. Doesn't really make sense now that Pat used the Violin analogy. I guess I've only been an active breeder for 3 yrs..lolol. Ok..

SoCalyorkiLvr 01-06-2006 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr
Great analogy, Pat :thumbup:

A breeder is a person who practices the vocation of mating carefully selected specimens of the same breed to reproduce specific, consistently replicable qualities and characteristics.

on the breeder facts thread
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27267

I have four yorkies that are just for lovin' at the present time.

Do you intend in breeding your kids in the future "at the present time" are your words, which implies perhaps youre considering it in the future.
HaHa....don't think I am cut out for it.....too much work and too much risk....No...not considering it at this time.....unless things change and it becomes less of a risk for the female, I cannot see myself breeding. Plus, how could i part with those darling babies...I would become too attached, I know it.

Really though the reason I started the thread was that several breeders on here say thay have been "breeding yorkies" for longer than they have had litters.

I like the defintition too...where is it from?

BamaFan121s 01-06-2006 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
Maybe mine was confusing...

I do agree with everyone..but I don't explain it the same way. I usually say I've been a breeder for 5 yrs but only had pups the past 3. Doesn't really make sense now that Pat used the Violin analogy. I guess I've only been an active breeder for 3 yrs..lolol. Ok..
Don't feel bad :D mine was worded the same way as yours...they were both equally misleading when I read them the second time. After I reworded mine to offer more explanation, I figured you probably meant the same thing. :) Hopefully I made it more clear and it is more understandable now. :thumbup:

YorkieRini 01-06-2006 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s
Don't feel bad :D mine was worded the same way as yours...they were both equally misleading when I read them the second time. After I reworded mine to offer more explanation, I figured you probably meant the same thing. :) Hopefully I made it more clear and it is more understandable now. :thumbup:
Uh!! Us newbies..when will we get it straight?..lolol.


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