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01-21-2014, 08:59 AM | #1 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member | Pet Overpopulation...how can "we" help more? EDUCATION! It seems that every week there are more & more people deciding to breed. My heart breaks every time I read a thread here on YT from one of them. There seems to be no end. :-( My friend & I had a conversation yesterday about terms used to describe different types of breeders. You know, she told me that the term back yard breeder is not an acceptable term to describe a breeder who doesn't use due diligence in their program? She said that with several current court cases it was made clear that a breeder is a breeder. I think it has to do with the fact that no current state statute uses the terms back yard breeder or puppymill. I know I'll still think of certain types as BYB no matter what! Today, I came across a few interesting articles from Michigan State, here's the one that really hit home for me: Overview of Commercial Breeders Fact- only twenty-six states have laws implementing regulations on commercial kennels. This doesn't even take into account the thousands of Mom & Pop type operations that are scattered around the country! "The only uniform animal welfare law is the federal Animal Welfare Act (AWA), which includes regulations for living conditions of certain animals and penalties for violations. The law provides criminal penalties, civil penalties, and revocation of permits for violations of the AWA. Congress passed the AWA as a means of regulating animals in science and research, not animal cruelty. However, on the surface, parts of the law are applicable to certain companion animal breeders. For example, dogs and cats are listed as animals covered by the Act. However, this law is much more limited than the general public realizes. The Act exempts all retail pet stores, and someone who does not profit more than $500 from the sale of a dog, cat, or any wild animal.Thus, savvy breeders can maneuver around the license requirement if the breeders sell directly to the public or do not gross more than $500 per year."
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01-21-2014, 03:45 PM | #2 |
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| Great thread Norma! I always thought back yard breeders were average people that breeds their pet dogs. It's a term some people get very offensive over, IDK why...if you've bred your pet dog, you've contributed to the pet overpopulation problem here in the U.S. Hi, my name is Jenny & I am a back yard breeder. I bred my Mimi girl once & to this day, I regret it, wish I never did. If you're thinking of breeding your dog, don't do it. Go visit a shelter instead, you'll be glad you did.
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01-21-2014, 06:04 PM | #3 |
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| I'm not sure that overpopulation can be laid at the feet of breeders.....backyard or otherwise. It seems that most dogs in shelters down here are larger mixed breeds. I imagine most of these dogs got pregnant by being allowed to stay outside or just run loose. As was mentioned in the "marketing of shelters" thread, some areas have a shortage of dogs and are importing them. This networking between shelters is good for the dogs, but it does show that we have widely different circumstances in different areas. We have had a few notable puppy mill busts down here. After each one, folks would be lined up around the block to get one of these dogs. Interestingly, the first few busts were of mills with horrible conditions. We had one recently where the sheriff described the dogs as being in pretty good shape, however. That sort of thing makes me wonder if maybe the pendulum hasn't swung too far and some shelters may be using these breeders as a source for more desirable dogs. Overpopulation and substandard breeding are linked, but that link is more direct in some areas than others. The best solution I have seen that reduces the euthanasia rates is for shelters to adopt some of the practices The No Kill Advocacy Center promotes. They have shown to be effective, sometimes with dramatic results. I would encourage people to visit their site,see what they are promoting and compare that with your local shelter. If yours has a high kill rate, perhaps it is time to introduce that shelter to more effective practices. have to be attacked differently.
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01-21-2014, 06:13 PM | #4 |
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| Ignore the last line of my post above. I couldn't get it deleted in time.
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01-21-2014, 06:26 PM | #5 |
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| I had to take the dogs out for their walk & I kept feeling like there was something wrong or missing w/my post...it's Sherry, not Norma loll! There is a very bad epidemic of back yard breeders here. All the craigslist, kijiji, local newspapers, whatever ads are out there, filled w/puppies for sale. So many shelters are filled w/small dogs, dogs of all sizes, many Chi mixes, Shih Tzu mixes, Pitties, breeds that are popular here...
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01-21-2014, 06:37 PM | #6 |
YT Addict | Over breeding. Any time you buy a dog where you can not see the parents you are buying a puppy mill dog. People say there are no yorkies in shelters. I am with a yorkie rescue and I can assure you there are yorkies in shelters. A great deal of rescues are breed or breed mix specific. This is why it is mostly mixed breed dogs you see in shelters. There is no one to pull them. If people would adopt instead of shop that would force the breeders to slow down because there would be no demand. I have to laugh when people balk about paying a few hundred dollars for a fully vetted rescue and then will pay a thousand for a puppy mill baby with no vetting. But believe me most of the time the vetting will come because they are not always a healthy lot. |
01-21-2014, 08:09 PM | #7 |
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| In my area there isn't much of a small breed problem, the shelters are full of large dogs, especially bully breeds, and cats. The yorkie rescues mostly have older (usually 8-10yrs) and bigger yorkies. A lot of them have crazy standards too, such as telling a couple they were ineligable because their 10yr old grandkid visits once a year. They also have wait lists. A lot of the puppy ads you see are scams, I was surprised by how many. "O I suddenly don't have time for my 10 week and 12 week old puppies, I'll give them to you for free, just pay $1000 to ship it." I know a lot of people, including myself, who tried to adopt a small dog and couldn't find one. We ended up driving about 3 hours to get our dogs because there weren't any locally. I bought Lola from a couple with 2 pet yorkies, her parents are beautiful and super sweet. My neighbor got her mixed dog from a lancaster puppy mill, and doesn't know it. (Dirty house, tons of different mixed breeds running around, tried to raise the price when she got there) In my area the following needs to happen: 1. Spay/neuter large dogs and cats 2. People need to stop getting rid of old dogs, or because they had a baby 3. Stop the puppy mills 4. Ship small dogs to our shelters |
01-21-2014, 09:29 PM | #8 | |
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01-22-2014, 09:24 AM | #9 |
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| What can "we" do to help shut down puppy mills? "We" can stop buying puppies from pet shops. "We" can stop buying puppies at garage sales. "We" can stop buying puppies at flea markets. "We" can stop buying puppies from ebay. "We" can stop buying puppies from the side of the road. "We" can stop buying puppies from the grocery store parking lot. "We" can pick up a book and do a little research on the breed. "We" can get involved with breed clubs and dog shows, where we can get to know people that are responsible, knowledgable, and accountable for their dogs. "We" as adults and consumers, can assume the responsibility to become informed and educated about exactly what a puppy mill is and where they peddle their pups. "We" can learn that being a responsible, ethical, accountable, knowledgable, "breeder" is NOT synonomous with animal abuse, puppy mill, puppy proliferator, or law breaker. "We' need to know the difference between people throwing two dogs together in order to get puppies to sell or even give away to friends and family, and dedicated people that have devoted their lives to breeding dogs that exemplify the breed standard and carry on all the marvelous lines and pedigrees that have been established as a template of what the breed should be. "We" must realize exactly why we have so many unwanted dogs, where they came from, and why they ended up in rescues or the pound. I dare say there are very, very few unwanted dogs running loose or in pounds or rescues, that came from responsible breeders that notoriously screen their buyers so thoroughly and are very cautious and concerned about where their babies go. People that have sat on a breeders waiting list for 6 months to a couple of years I can guarantee you, are people that will NOT be kicking their puppy to the curb. They will be in close contact with their breeder, who will either insist the puppy be returned to them, or the breeder will be assisting the owner find an appropriate home. "We" have to recognize the hallmarks of what makes a responsible breeder, with ethics and accountablity. "We" can not paint the word "breeder" with a filthy brush, because then "we" are among the grossly misinformed and do not realize what the crux of the problem is or how to best deal with it. You can not legislate morality....you can not regulate and strangle people that are not the problem, in the name of trying to wipe out puppy mills. Put teeth and enforce animal aboue laws that are already on the books. Make conviction of animal abuse HURT. Hit puppy mills in the pocket book....outlaw selling live animals in pet stores, flea markets, side of the road, etc.... "We" must get educated about exactly WHAT the problem is, WHY it occured, and then, how best to try to get a handle on it. "Adopt rather than shop" is like giving someone that is vomiting, a bucket to vomit in....you may be preventing a mess, but you have NOT done a thing to correct the problem that got that person vomiting. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 01-22-2014 at 09:27 AM. |
01-22-2014, 09:48 AM | #10 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member | Judy, I hope some day our paths cross because I owe you a bear hug! God Bless you. I started this thread hoping to really hear how our community might be able to share thoughts on a huge problem. Thank you everyone.
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01-22-2014, 12:15 PM | #11 |
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01-22-2014, 12:34 PM | #12 |
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