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|01-18-2014, 03:35 PM||#1|
Join Date: Oct 2013
Breeding Yorkies question...
First off, if this cannot be talked about then please delete. I understand and I hope this is the right section.
I want to start off by saying that I love Yorkies with all my heart. My grandfather had a Yorkie, my mom had 2, and now I've had 2. I currently only have one Yorkie. I am thinking about getting into breeding them but I am very unsure. and I want to make it very clear, again, that I love Yorkies and I would love to "better the breed". I really only want to do traditional Yorkies because of the coloring. So, my question is: is breeding Yorkies profitable? Even if it's not I would still like to breed them as a hobby and maybe just show them. I am only 18 and have never worked at a company. I pay my bills by selling stuff here and there on ebay. So I am wanting to still be able to stay at home with my Yorkie and make money. That's why I thought breeding Yorkies would be a good choice but maybe I am wrong. I have a great breeder now and can learn a lot from her so I think it would be a great opportunity for me but if it's not very profitable then I don't think I will be able to afford to do it full time but I still want to do it on the side with whatever else it is I decide to do for income.
Thanks in advance
|01-18-2014, 04:08 PM||#2|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
No, unless you have extremely good stock, show them and produce a lot of Champions. Problem whelpings can be very costly, emergency C sections, loss of the Dam and loss of the babies (one or sometimes all). I would strongly suggest you work with your breeder, see if she can mentor you and learn for a few years before even attempting breeding. Go to shows and learn as much as you can. Learn about different bloodlines and genetics. Lots of work to be done! Most breeders say they're lucky to break even.
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Last edited by kjc; 01-18-2014 at 04:10 PM.
|01-18-2014, 04:40 PM||#3|
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
First of all, I don't breed. It is my understanding that that breeding to "better the breed" is expensive. You have to first find a mentor, which it sounds like you have. Then, after learning all you can about reading pedigrees, knowing genetics, having assisted in whelps so that you can know what to do when you finally do breed, you find your breeders, usually with the help of your mentor. Now that you have your breeding potentials, you gotta make sure they conform to the standard and are the best of the best right? (All of this in order to better the breed) that's where dog showing comes in. Your pups get evaluated, and championed if they're good examples of the breed. The pups need to be vet checked, and I'm not talking general wellness exams. There are specific exams that need to be done. I forget the names, but the show breeders here can tell you.
Taking into consideration all if the above, the showing the traveling, the vetting, it all costs money. Most breeders break even after all is said and done. I know a lot of people come on here and say "you gotta start somewhere" when it comes to breeding. The above is the right way to start because you'll be doing right by the breed we all love. I'm sure one of the great breeders here will come on and correct or give you a ballpark figure when it comes to cost and whatnot.
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|01-18-2014, 05:20 PM||#4|
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston Texas
The only way you could breed for profit is to find you two cheap yorkies, breed them, pray nothing goes wrong during the pregnancy or whelping that is going to cost you either the momma or a second mortgage on your home to save the female and the litter.....then you do NOTHING that reputable breeders do, like health checks, vaccinations, worming, socializing, and you throw them all in a box when they are 6 weeks old, head for a flea market or a parking lot someplace to peddle them off....you may make a couple of dollars.....of course, you cant do THIS because this is NOT bettering the breed, etc. Breeding Yorkies is no way profitable....you MAY break even, but usually, you are in the hole....Showing dogs is for the wealthy...it cost a fortune to campaign a dog, pay a trainer, pay a handler, travel and ship your dog all over the country, etc.....so even if you show a dog and end up with a Grand Champion, if you can find someone that will sell you a retired Champion to use as a stud, you are looking at $4000.00-$8000.00+ purchase price.....and you will never sell his puppies for that amount of money. You will make more money learning to sew and sell dog clothes on ebay.....where you can save your money, get an associates degree in some field you like, go to work and then get a BS and then a masters. As far as a "hobby breeder", the USDA is about to shut that all down.....they have already passed legislation that will make it financially prohibitive to do hobby breeding.... Get you a Yorkie pet, love that baby and devote your time and effort and finances to some kind of education that will assure you a source of income...anything in the health care field or mortuary business will provide you ample opportunities for work.
|01-21-2014, 06:46 PM||#5|
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|01-22-2014, 01:08 PM||#6|
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No - you cannot make money breeding Yorkies. Oh not saying you cannot buy an inexpensive pet Yorkie, breed it once (and not have any problems such as C-section) and sell all the pups and make some money. But to say it is a way to supplement your income - wrong! I have been breeding Yorkies for 30 years this March and in those years, I have made money one year, broken even 2 years and lost money all the rest. Although Yorkies are my passion, I do not do it to make money, but to have fun! I love the breed and love to watch puppies develop.
Best of luck to you.
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|01-22-2014, 03:55 PM||#7|
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Location: Maui, Hawaii
kirbybirby, I love Yorkies, just as you do, and I have 4 fur girls (1 Yorkie and 3 Morkies), who are truly my babies. I personally could never do anything that would put them at risk, and especially not for making money or for a hobby.
I do hope you love your Yorkie that much too, and you will enjoy your Yorkie as a pet, and not a business venture.
Here are links to some info that is in the Yorkie Talk Library, that may be helpful in opening your eyes to the very complicated world of breeding:
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|01-24-2014, 03:58 PM||#8|
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Houston TX
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I see yorkies everywhere now and they look mixed or just 'off'. I'm sure they are wonderful great doggies but too many yorkies these days just do NOT look like the beautiful spunky Yorkie we all fall in love with before getting. Too many are in rescue now and the population of yorkies has exploded - it's never a good thing when too many people decide to breed unless they are very serious about it.
Plus like MauiGirl said -things CAN go wrong. Someone wanted to breed with my oldest when she was young and no way was I going to take a chance with her...I'm just not brave and always think of the things that 'could' happen
Good luck to you!
ps...working from home full time can get really tedious - I miss going to a real job and being challanged...then I also love the days I don't have to
|01-24-2014, 06:33 PM||#9|
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The candidness of your post is refreshing. What a large world ahead of you, you have.
Let me say what many have said on this thread; you have already begun on the right path, by getting an experienced breeder/mentor; well done! There are many, many things you need to study, need to practice, and need to observe, through the whole spectrum of breeding to improve the breed.
In terms of this as a Money Making proposition. THat is quite frankly slim to none, if you do it the right way. That means spending all the $$$ to health test, specific health tests for the breed, championing your dog (s), training, feeding the best quality food for your dog, and the list goes on.
Let me share with you, real facts, very pertinent as I have just imported a show 'promise" gal from Russia. And yes this is not a Yorkshire Terrier but the analogy applies. After the dust settled, custom duties, pre genetic screening on the litter I was interested in, shipping, the cost of my darling is upwards of $4000+. Now there is no guarantee, that she will mature into her promise, and or that she will actually make a good brood bitch. So this is only the start.
She is and will be on very high quality food. Training of her annually that is obedience and show training will be upwards of $2500. I will send her to a handler for showing and for getting her championship if and only if, she still looks to mature to be a great representative of the breed.
As a puppy I will groom her, but already her first professional grooming is in 2 wks. Why? Because she needs to get used to her Show groomer and her table and her way of grooming. Each show groom for my large breed is upwards of $150 per groom. She will be show groomed once a month, until I retire her from showing. For major and big shows, I might have the pro show groomer come to the show, at my expense, to do touch ups for the ring.
Now at 6mths old I will do PennHip, which is an Xray, and a diagnostic tool to see if this gal will develop hip dysplasia. The cost will be somewhere in the neighbourhood of $160. Cheap if it is unfavourable, because that means you don't go to all the following steps.
6mths + Start showing as a puppy in puppy classes at AKC and CKC. A pro handler for puppies is about $65 per show. BTW you do this with a large breed, to get them used to the ring and the environs.
1 yr old - first prelim expanded Thryoid test cost $100 or so. You pass good to go. You are still keeping your puppy in the ring every 6-8wks or so to make sure they continue to be exposed to the show environment.
15 mths old - Temperament Test. Very important for our breed. It tells us how stable this dog is, and also gives some indication of arena of work the dog is suited for. Cost about $110.
15-18 mths old. Remember the training? This is where you start competing with your dog for their obedience title - first is Canine Good Neighbour, then is CD, and thenis CDX. Entry fees are minimal say $30 per trial. You need 175 out of 200 to pass and you need two trials that show marks above 175 secure your CD title.
Now your do Heart tests, Hearing tests, repeat Thyroid Panel, at a Health Clinic at a show, you might get away with $300 for these tests.
Finally at 2yrs old you do the OFFA certifications, Cerf's etc, for another cost of $300 or more. Hopefully by then your gal has secured her Ch's and then you are good to go for a well thought out breeding...
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|01-28-2014, 09:11 PM||#10|
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What a great post. Admin should make it a sticky.
I couldn't even begin to write all that.
I would include the cost of whelping supplies, vet visits, ultrasound, X-rays and a possible c-section when the girl is bred. Also brucellosis testing, DNA, and a stud fee.
Hopefully this gets everyone thinking this is not a money-making hobby.
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