My 4lb yorkie is pregnant by my 10lb yorkie! First timer.. Help! Hey everyone! First I'd like to introduce myself.. My name is Bryce, and I live in Portland, OR. This is my first time going through a dog pregnancy! I really hope you guys can help me through it til the end! I will use this thread for all my questions, updates, etc.. OK SO HERES WHATS GOING ON: My little girl yorkie has gotten pregnant by my bigger yorkie. FEMALE: Name: Ginger Weight: 4.2 lbs Age: 1.5 years (pregnant after 3rd heat) Breed: Purebred yorkie MALE: Name: Jerry Weight: 9.2 lbs Age: 7.5 years Breed: Mostly yorkie (3/4 yorkie, 1/4 chihuahua) SO TO SUMMARIZE: 4.2 lb FEMALE is pregnant by a 9.2 lb MALE INITIAL QUESTIONS: - What are the odds that there will be complications? Is it possible for her to give a natural birth without a C-section? Is the size difference a big deal, or just a minor thing? - We don't know the exact date of conception.. only within a week. What is the best way to judge when she will be giving birth? - As far as nutrition, would you guys recommend anything special? Vits? - What kind of special preparations should I make? I've done some research, but still would like more advice/info.. - Should I be concerned about my male dog? Like should I keep him separated, or anything special? THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP! THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME, SO IM EXTREMELY SCARED! I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY! THANKS AGAIN :) |
Hi Bryce, Your Yorkie female should not have been bred at all, she is under the recommended 5lbs. and yes one pound does make a difference. The fact that she bred with a male that large and that she is that small I would advise you to have an emergency spay. The risk to this pups life and is very high if you proceed. Many accidental breeders etc., here can tell you that it is difficult enough to go through this inexperienced but I don't ever recall such a weight difference here with any of these breeders.... I don't know how or why this all happened but obviously you weren't planning this, seek an emergency spay and neuter your boy for both their health's sake! I'm sure some other breeders will be around to give better information. But I have to tell you they will not be happy with this situation. This is a huge NONO to breed pups these sizes and a female that small.... I hope you do the right thing, please keep us posted. Good Luck p.s. More than likely she would need a csection if she could even carry them that long. |
Welcome:)..so sorry your first post has to be this one, please donīt take offense to the awnsers you may get ;) Quote:
I would seek the advice of your vet ASAP.The chances of her needing a C-section are high in this case scenario, and thatīs just asuming that she carries her pups to full term with no complications due to their size. Quote:
Dates are important even when the breeding is planned, so you can imagine how worrying your situation is.How far along (more or less) is Ginger? Quote:
Example - Take care of her after an emergency spay or prepare her for a possible c-section. I wouldent venture into this particular experience just with the advice a handful of people on a forum give you weather they are experienced breeders or not.You need someone to actually examine Ginger.You really need to get her to a vet and make a desicion based on what he tells you ;) Quote:
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Certain things you read will no doubt scare the bejesus out of you and when that happens, we tend to cover our eyes, so talking to someone you know face to face will be alot easier for you and youīll find it easier to make a decision. Good luck! :) |
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Hello and welcome! I am not a breeder but there are plenty on here. I'm "bumping" this for you I know someone will come along and be able to offer assistance |
There are vets out there, that have actually advised people on here, that a 3-4 lb Yorkie should have NO problems whelping a litter of puppies....so if I were you, I would listen to people that breed Yorkies for many, many years, and know the reality of breeding, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly. On a good day, this breeding you have, is a disaster looking for a place to happen. There are soooooo many really important dates that you have NO idea about......this is not acceptable or consucive to whelping a healthy litter and ending up with live puppies and a female that survives. You need to have this disaster of a breeding, emergently terminated, ASAP, before you loose the entire shooting match. You have a mix breed Yorkie....mixed with WHAT????? You may have German Shepherds behind that boy.....it is not so much the size of the male, as it is WHAT IS BEHIND HIM, AND THE FEMALE AS WELL, IN THEIR PEDIGREE!!!!!! If you care at all about your little girl, you will do this FOR HER!!!! She is too small to be bred safely in the first place....you have no idea what is behind those dogs, and if the babies are large, you will have to have a c-section, and if you are lucky, she will survive....You have NO experience in emergent care of orphaned puppies, so you will have a really hard time saving the babies as well..... |
Odds of complications: 100% Size difference: not a big deal, a MAJOR deal. Her size: even BIGGER deal! Natural birth vs c-section: this won't be an issue if you have her spayed. She shouldn't be pregnant in the first place, but small dog have a greater chance of c-section. This chance increases when then are bred to a larger male. I would say that you female has a 95% chance of having a c-section, or you losing her during birth. Special preparations: Have her spayed, save her life. |
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As for scaring the "bejeesus" out of someone, I respectfully disagree with you. Whether a person closes their eyes because they don't want to know the truth or whether they are opened is their personal choice. Not everyone covers their eyes!!! I have seen people change their minds on this forum so I believe it needs to be said and I am not about to critique the messengers. Breeding is not a simple thing and it becomes a disaster quickly in cases like this one that is being presented. Oh, sure, it is good to get the opinion of a vet...BUT I think that the wealth of knowledge that people on this forum have is worth a LOT when it comes to disaster breedings. |
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I am beggining to think alot of you are obsessed with every little word I write and that no matter what I say, itīs wrong.READ MY POST, and please, stop picking at every little word I write, because 1: I am not the idiot you think I am and 2: I am using common sense to awnser the OP and I havent contradicted ANY of you in what I wrote.Am I telling him/her to get to a vet before talking to a bunch of girls on a forum? YES! What is wrong with that? This person needs to see her vet, who will tell her what everyone else is saying, and he/she may be more comfortable hearing it from her vet than coming on here and reading a few posts..something that I think is good to do also, but not the way to go IN THIS CASE. I know that I LOVE reading forums, but there are certain things that I do like to go through with my vet before I do them.This is what I am saying. When something like this happens, I just think itīs way better (and faster) to get offline and down to vets office before doing anything else. |
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I owe YTers a ton of thanks and appreciation. Vets are surely a priority. But not all Vets have the entire bank of knowledge that the collective experience of YTers has on YORKIES and a good vet is open to suggestions and information and alternate forms of therapy. |
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Iīm not saying the info on here in useless (I have used alot of it for YEARS!) but when the dog in question could be in danger, I think a run to the vet first is VERY important. I also donīt want to scare this person away, again, this is why I am repeating that he/she might be more comfortable with her vet. Heck, I came here when I was in doubt about Bellas PLANNED pregnancy because my vet was on vacaction and I had to wait a little to see him, but once he came back, it was him I turned to and him I trusted because he is the one here with me and he is the one who knows my dog, has her records, ran the tests beforehand etc etc. I am not and never have pooped on anything any of you have said or suggested.I just see certain things a little differently ;) |
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Is she showing signs of pregnancy? Have you talked to a vet? We need more detail before we can give better advise. As for the dangers to your female, yes it can be very dangerous for her. You should not try to go this alone or just depend on internet help. If she is indeed pregnant you need guidance for a vet that is familiar with small breeds and it would be very helpful if you could find another breeder nearby that can help you. Ideally if your female is not very far along you should think seriously about getting her spayed. You would need to talk to your vet about that possibility. If she is pregnant she would need to be on a good quality dog food. I recommend a puppy food. The male will be okay to be around her until she has her pups but then he will need to be separated from her. Please keep us updated. |
Wow, Thank you all SOO much for your quick replies! I am completely overwhelmed by the number of responses. To answer the couple questions I saw: - She's somewhere between 3-4 week from conception. - YES there's signs, huge vulva, huge nipples, growing belly. Not to mention she's been more mellow and lovey-dovey. Of course I was excited, but scared as well, that's why I'm here. I saw a vet about weather she's prego like 2 weeks ago or less And they said their about 95% sure. But now I'm 100%.. Should've talked more about the size of the male. Surely ill be making another trip to get more info from them. It sounds like I need to terminate ASAP cuz I don't wanna lose her! Ugh im so scared/excited all at once. But I won't risk her life. |
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As for telling her/him to get to a vet ASAP instead of asking about "what to prepare" on a forum, yes, I said that too.Again, why did that not meet your criteria? Was it wrong? Should I have congratulated her? Told her to set up a whelping box and that everything would be fine? THAT would have been awful too...everything I say seems to be. Itīs very obvious at this point that WHATEVER I say will be critisized.Proof? Read my first post on this thread and then read this one by bjh waaay after mine: Quote:
So yes, you deffinately are just fixating on me and not on what I write. Obviously, no matter what, anything and everything I write will catch your attention imediately and you will take apart my posts and make it them into something awful. You arent even reading what I write, or we wouldent be having this conversation. |
This could be very dangerous for your female I think you should get to the vet and get an emergency spay done on your female. I will keep her in my prayers. Please come back and update us. We do care very much for your girl. |
General rule of thumb when it comes to breeding is (not in any particular order): 1. NEVER breed a 4# or less female. 2. NEVER breed to a bigger male. But there's more to it than this, you NEED to know what's behind both their lines from generations back. 3. ONLY breed a female on her 2nd heat or when she reaches 2 years old. This is so she's prepared mentally & physically to whelp & raise her pups. More so that her pelvic bones are fully grown to handle pushing out those puppies on her own. 4. You NEED to research 1st b4 you breed. You have lots of reading, learning & preparing to do. Glad you found us & hope you'll learn loads, your girl's life depends on it! 5. You NEED to find a mentor. Someone with experience to help guide you through the whelping. If not, seek help from an experienced vet tech. You also need to be prepared for an emergency c-section if needed. Esp IN your case, since your male is bigger & the bigger gene is in him. 6. A typical person breeding their pet dogs are called Back Yard Breeders. YOU are a BYB'er now...know that you are contributing to the overpopulation of unwanted homeless pets & for every pup you produce, you're sending hundreds more to their deaths everyday. It's up to you now to either become an advocate for these poor souls w/out voices or continue being a BYB'er. 7. Leave breeding to the professionals. The ones who do it right, doing all the available health & genetic testings, the ones that do it to improve the breed. They know their pedigree, the genetics, the temperament, generations back. They are the ethical reputable breeders, Kudos to them. This is a public online forum, you WILL get all kinds of opinions & answers, more so towards the side of dogs/ Yorkies. What you do w/that info is what matters bc your girl's life is IN your hands. |
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Gina we've danced this dance before, I was a proofreader for 7 years...your the same person you were a few months ago, and your coming after me was so familiar that I've even said it before to others that this is someone I've dealt with before....your verbage gives you away and then the whole 9 years ago....thing...whatever I know several members here where we have had twisted and turned and argued, fought, and made up and started all over again. I don't know why you left in February or why you've come back as someone else only to argue with the same people as before, it wasn't really that deep....we have different beliefs and opinions and clearly you really don't like that....I am especially upset that you once again choose the same respected members, especially Linda who is open to difference of opinion to go after, I don't get it. What really is the point? We were at a disadvantage the whole time and other people got hurt in this process on the other thread...Questions. Wow. I save threads in my favorites sometimes...I saved our last thread together...I am really sad here. You didn't forget your old user name cuz you signed on it in September that was easy enough to see, I don't understand the point at all. Also some of the things you said before really don't jive with what you say now. I've wasted my time as have others, credibility in my eyes is 0. |
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Itīs like kindergarden in here.I havent contradicted anyone and still you are coming back with ways to critisize my EVERY word now matter what I say. I am not the one making snarky comebacks, but Iīm not the YT doormat either.When someone quotes ME in a post, I am entitled to defend myself. When you stop quoting me, I wont have to keep doing this. |
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Yes, I was here nine years ago, with members like Villette, GypsyRose (her dog was gypsy rose and Gizzy) Roxy, Deedee (her dog was called Flea) Judge Pepper who sadly died etc etc The list goes on and you can actually get in touch with those members (I think V came back a few weeks ago?). I was an active member and ended up leaving after one of my dogs died (Jess).Then I lurked and read and just hung about until we got Milo and Bella. Want to find those old members? Ask someone whoīs been around that long and they will remember them and then those members will remember me.Its as simple as that ;) |
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Look who's acting like a kindergartener...I'm not quoting or asking a question, so maybe you wont respond this time. You said: "please donīt take offense to the awnsers you may get" & "Again, please donīt take offense to any of the awnsers" YOU put YOURSELF in the spotlight! You HAVE "contradicted & criticized" all the "CLIQUEY" members here...YOUR words, not mine. |
STOP - TAKE THIS SOMEPLACE ELSE. FOR GODS SAKE. TO the OP. I know it's hard to discern who the breeders are but go to the YTCA website and find a few names and give the breeders a call. There are also three breeders who have replied to this thread and are absolutely correct - your situation is a disaster waiting to happen. We care about yorkies and about your girl. I'm in Portland. PM me with your contact info and I'll give you call and we can talk. I know some names of people you could call too. Ultimately they will probably suggest you have an emergency spay. Risk wise it's the safest thing. Money wise it's the smartest thing too. One posted said vets won't always know the best thing regarding Yorkies and this is true. Make sure you go to a Breeder's vet. A vet who serves a Yorkie breeder. Very important. Good luck for your girl. |
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I dont even have the same e-mail address I had back then (9 years ago), so getting back into my old account was impossible.I dont know the password and I canīt remember what my name was (I have tried the names I used to use and they didnt work). Maybe you should stop looking for terrorists on a DOG FORUM...what on earth is the matter with you??? :confused: I am seriously waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out and scream "Punkd" :rolleyes: |
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Excellent advice from an EXPERIENCED breeder. |
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