I am surprised as well in that the OP said it is a specialist. But..hey what do I know?

I would never breed a yorkie. People all have the same story about how their pups are never going to be homeless....I have yet to meet a breeder say there is a risk of his/her pups being homeless. OP you are a breeder now, so this includes you. All I can say to that is that I am never without foster pups and there are sadly so many more yorkies who we are unable to assist....on a daily basis. They ALL came from breeders....you know, the ones whose pups would never end up homeless. :rolleyes:

Is this specialist board certified with? Animal Reproduction. American College of Theriogenologists This is the American specialty organization which certifies vets for this specialty.

At roughly just past mid point in the pregnancy, I don't truly understand how the e spay would present more dangers than bringing to term 3 pups from un-known heritage.

I don't understand how a spay would be more dangerous than this birth? Who knows how big those babies are. She is way too tiny and young :(. I am praying for this little girl...

Thank you for the update! I'm happy that you consulted with a vet(s)/specialist(s) and they were able to tell you what would be best for your girl and provided you with options. I hope everything goes well with her pregnancy and if you don't mind keep the updates coming as well. Sending good vibes and prayers that this will go as smoothly as possible your way.

I can see where it is going to be dangerous for her either way. Is she already scheduled for a c-section? Have they checked the size of the pups and her pelvic ring? I am not a vet but to my laymans mind I would think a spay now while they are small would be safer.

There is always a risk in that the pups I have bred, despite stringent contract obligations, might be sent to a shelter without notifying me. So it is all not all one way or one-sided.

I do wonder, how many of the foster pups you get in, you contact their breeders, if that information is available to you when you rescue these pups? Do you even try to search for the breeder of the rescued pup? Look at microchip information that just may have the breeders name as second contact? Do you look up the AKC registered name of the pup, which should have the breeders name on both the sire and the dam?

When a family/person voluntarily surrenders their dog to you at 5 or 7 or 9 years down the road, do you try to find out from the family the breeders name, addy, and phone number? Do you ask that family what their contract provides, if indeed they have one with the breeder?

Just wondering how rescues go about researching the history of the dog they agree to take in.

If a pup is chipped, we absolutely contact the owner....and breeder if the breeder's name is on it. No, I personally do not go on a hunting expedition to find a breeder...if they care and have their pups chipped, then I will contact them. I have contacted a few breeders over the years and they have always just had us place the pup.

As for owner surrenders, they usually are not very forthcoming about where they obtained their pups....we do encourage them to contact their breeders and/or the rescue if that is applicable. I have to say though, that in most cases I am shocked at the people who have the pups and wonder who the heck would sell a pup to them. So....no, not really caring too much to find that person so they can sell the poor thing to another person who will do the same. Now, of course, we do get some owner surrenders who really do care...and often they have already reached out to the breeder.

It is strange your vet wouldnt spay because of too much risk when a spay neuter clinic i have weeent to will spay at any point in pregnancy

There is a much higher risk of excessive bleeding when spaying a pregnant dog, the surgery itself takes longer and the incision itself is larger.

Best wishes to the OP and the momma.

I just wanted to say I wish you and your little girl luck and will be thinking about her in your time of need. And keep us updated with her progress.

First I want to thank you for giving us an update. I don't agree with the vets decision that a spay would be more dangerous than continuing with the pregnancy. So lets just focus on the fact that you are letting her continue with her pregnancy. Have you ever whelped a litter of puppies? There is so much to learn and it is very important for the sake of your pregnant girl that you learn as much as possible. Is someone always home with your girl? It is very important that she is not left alone when it is near time for her to have her pups. What are you feeding her? Is she eating good? It is very important that she eats a good quality food. Once she has her pups you will need to add a calcium supplement to her diet. You need to ask your vet about that.

Once your girl has had her pups you will still have so much to do. You need to have a separate area for her away from other dogs so she can have some privacy. If she is used to sleeping with you then you will have an x-pen or some place to confine her so she does not try to move the pups to your bed. I recommend an x-pen because you can put her whelping box at one end and then have her pee pad, food and water in the x-pen. You can drape a sheet over top and sides of the x-pen over the whelping box and that will give her more privacy.

Please give us updates whenever possible. I will be praying for you little girl.

This is the second thread I've read about accidental breedings of girls under 5#. I guess until someone looses their girl no one will understand why posters get upset. Or, until one these posters has to hand feed puppies every 2 hours for a month, because their girl died, are we going to make a connection.

I don't believe that a reproductive vet would agree to continuing the pregnancy. I have known of pregnancies aborted with medication--pups either absorbed or whelped early when their is no chance of whelps surviving.

I hope the op comes back with updates, even if the end result is traumatic. We hope to teach and learn on this forum. I hope someone learns not to let their pups breed unless it is planned, researched, etc.

I have kept up to reading all in this post. As I have NO experience in whelping or the like, so I will keep my opinion, however ignorant it is, to myself. Since the beginning of being a member myself, I have noticed that everyone in this YT community is passionate about YT'ers, who care sooo much about these little angels:) I have, and will continue to, wish the best for this little lady and hope for the best outcome. Please keep us updated on your little lady... we all care!! Sending positives thoughts your way.:) Cheers!:aimeeyork

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This is the bottom line...."unknown heritage" from the father.....halfway thru the pregnancy.....no way the risks to termination out weigh the risk of allowing this to continue. The vet is looking at a wonderful price for an emergency c-section, plus medical care for the female and the babies post whelp..... Hoping the OP is spending quality time with her precious little lady, whose life has been put into jeopardy thru negligence on the part of the OP.....while THIS pregnancy may not have been planned, this is clearly someone that wanted to become "a breeder", or this little lady would have already been spayed.....so "now she are one"! She will go through all the heartbreak and anxiety and suffer the possible loss of puppies AND her momma.....one of which was already reabsorbed.....but for what??????? For a litter of mix breed pups that she can not even register.....sooooooooooo sad for momma and babies. Hopefully, she will at least be responsible and ETHICAL enough to sell these babies, if they survive, on a spay neuter contract, and also have a provision in her contract that the puppies MUST be returned to her in the event these friends or whoever, can not keep these puppies. But realistically, I seriously doubt there is even going to be consideration for the LONG TERM future of these babies, as so little concern is evident for their momma, with whom the OP has "bonded and loves".........my heart breaks.......

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I've gotten the bio of the vet Bryce went to.

I too have seen too many ACCIDENTS over the years here but am realizing that often times that is how some members end up here...they make a careless mistake that is "unforgivable" but still a careless mistake...ya know? I'm probably more concerned with the folks who never show up here, who don't care enough to even right their errors....the ones who dump their pregnant girls off at the pound, the ones who don't seek any help and end up with dead pups and moms...

I wasn't always the best pet owner, I too have had unplanned litters 30 years ago and have made many mistakes along the way. I suppose its kind of like motherhood for me because I love my fur kids as much as I do my real kids...I wasn't a perfect mother, still am not....I wasn't a perfect pet owner, still am not...I second guess my decisions all the time and although I've learned so much along the way and there are so many mistakes I will never make again...I'm still not perect....I question everyday if I've made the right decisions with Mia...secretly wishing I could make her better...last night was the first night that she was in tremendous discomfort....I wonder have I done enough?

Bryce does seem as though he is learning from us and went so far as to see a specialist, I don't condone what he has happened with this pup, ya all know I don't but I think he, unlike so many others, is trying to do the right thing now....hoping I'm not wrong. I give him some credit for researching and finding us etc...etc....etc....

Without further ado, this is the bio of the Vet he took his pup too:

Dr. (name removed) received a MS in reproductive physiology from The Ohio State University and she graduated from the same university with her DVM.

She completed a residency in comparative theriogenology (reproduction) at Purdue University and became board certified in the same year. She has worked in a variety of practice settings including general mixed practice, referral practice and academia. She believes very strongly in providing client education and speaks at breed group meetings regularly. She also speaks at many veterinary conferences and has written many journal articles on a variety of reproductive topics.

I hope you continue to research here Bryce and I hope you do get her spayed when this is all over, and give her the wonderful life she deserves....

Take care.

I had already looked this vet up because I wanted to see if there really was one in Portland. I was shocked that it was approved of, so just wanted to see.....

I am still surprised....and I do hope all goes well for this pup.

I understand mistakes happen but I do hope you get her spayed after this and you keep us updated. I am praying for your little girl and the pups.

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Let's just pray that all will be well with mom and pups.

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But for the life of me, I STILL don't get it.

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Now we are questioning specialists! I am done, all reason has left this thread in my view. Still praying all will go well.

First of all, I don't know for a FACT that the OP went there. I am saying that I simply don't get it and I really DO NOT get it. I have never ever understood why people continue to breed tiny pups like they do. So what if I say that? Does not mean I am questioning a specialist. I too will pray for this pup, but it does not mean I have to sit here and act like I think it is a good thing that she is being put through. :rolleyes:

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It is an unwise move in my view to question the specialist'a decision if you do not know that the one you stated WAS the specialist in this case.
Now I pray for the specialist as well as the mom and pups!
If you were not sure, why risk publishing in an open forum!!!! I really am done now, sorry for the additional comments.

Huh?? Do tell me where you see this? All I did was post a link to the subject matter in another post. Pretty easy to find. It is who someone else says is the specialist who was seen. Someone else asked why not name the specialist and I still did not...I merely linked a site that the wording from the other post came from.

I did not question this particular specialist. AGAIN I don't even know if this person WAS consulted at all. I do question judgement here but not that of a vet.......I cannot imagine allowing a 4 pound intact yorkie to be around an intact male of ANY size. OK??? I disapprove of such breeding. So what? It's my story and I am sticking with it.

IF a specialist was consulted I am sure the risks of pregnancy were explained as well as the risks of aborting/spaying. They are both risky and it makes me sick this poor pup is in this position.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: My suspicion is that there have been a lot but we don't hear about them. I personally witnessed a puppy dying one night in the Emergency Clinic and the owner refused a C-section to save the other puppy. I posted it somewhere on this forum, but people really just don't believe it will happen to them.

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No secrets here, I asked for the vet, I got it...he explained why he didn't want it posted...I respected it per our pm conversation. Anyone, as Ladyjane did, could google the area for said specialists.

None of us know if he did or didn't go there, we can only take his word. I too can't understand why ANY vet, let alone a specialist would recommend going through with this pregnancy either. But going through with it he is, I pray for the pup and hope that Bryce continues to seek the professionals with this.........

To think that people could care so little....ugggghhhhhhh