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08-27-2013, 11:21 AM | #1 |
YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: dearborn heights
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| Breeding Certification Question... So...I learned a lot from a great post recently, about all of the certification/genetic testing that is available(hips, LP, elbows BAT, Eyes etc etc). I am wondering how much does it cost, on average to get a dog all of the certifications necessary to breed?? Also, do most dogs pass ALL of the tests?? It seems like there are a lot of tests to pass. I can see how it could get expensive...if you get a dog who you think is going to be a great brood bitch or stud and then you start on the testing only to find out it failed a test. Then you have to start all over, finding another dog...paying to test that dog....etc etc Do you have an idea of whether a dog will pass certain things or not before you take them in(like hips, LP, elbows)? Also...Are there tests that a dog can fail where it might still be considered for breeding?? I am also wondering, do you do these tests before you invest the time, energy and money into putting your dog out there as a champion?? ( I can't remember the specific name for when your dog is already a champion, but you are still showing it in BOB...and you are promoting it/advertising it...in hopes that it will become one of the top dogs in it's breed) My initial reasoning for asking this question is because it seems like a lot of people fail to realize how expensive it is to breed. I had an idea as far as the medical expenses...but when I started looking at all of the Certs you need...and how it could get expensive just trying to find a dog who passes everything, it made me wonder approx. how much the health cert stuff does cost. I am guessing it's got to be over $1000 per dog.... |
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08-27-2013, 11:40 AM | #2 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | First yes it is expensive not only to buy a show potential but to show and do the tests. If a breeder avails themself of the health clinics often run at major shows, the cost can be contained to somewhere around $500-$750. Dependent upon how much you test for and the area of the country you are in. Let me give you a for instance; at a show that has a CERF clinic I pay approx. $60 for a CERF but if I were to do that in the city I live in and see an individual opthamologist it would cost around $185. Do you have an idea or a hope based on health testing that the pup you take into show will pass? Of course you do. For those of us passionate about health we insist on certain tests from the breeding pair being done, and they passing them. But for many conditions this only means the parents do not have this or that disease. This is why genetic markers, genetic tests are so important to find and to fund the research for same. WE do play Russian Roulette in one way, we hope our pup(s) will pass all the stringent health tests, but for many things we truly do not know if they will, we kind of gamble on it, not stupidly we have investigated the lines as well as we can, and we hope along with the breeder this gal or male will pass. And the key of a breeder is if they will pull from their breeding program ones that don't pass or pass now at 2yrs old but at 5 or 6yrs old fail. And yes we swallow those costs. It is why it is so very very expensive to breed responsibly. And btw health tests are only one part of the equation; temperament is so very important, as well as coat, color, bite and other qualities.
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08-27-2013, 01:01 PM | #3 |
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| I'm not a breeder, so when I got my Cali (who was being very successfully shown but the breeder thought she might end up being too small to breed) gave me copies of all the tests that had been run on this pup was was astounded. I bought a proven show quality dog and paid formthat, but frankly the cost of the tests the training and showing I seriously believe they made any money on her. Of course, she is perfect for me, but was an expensive deal for the breeder - and indeed Cali did not "make weight" as the breeder/show person had suspected, which to her was 5 pounds. Real eye opener for me - but boy do I have a healthy dog with a great disposition and confirmation - of course her show dog mama is aghast at the squirrel chasing thing
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08-29-2013, 07:00 PM | #4 | |
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Wow...that's pretty cool that they offer certifications at shows!! Is that common place now?? I think that's really neat by making it readily available at shows, for a cheaper price because it encourages breeders to get the health checks and it makes it convenient for them to do it, since they are already there. Do you have to enter your dog in the show to get your dog looked at/certified?? Or can people bring other dogs from their kennels to get certified?? Do they offer different certs at different shows?? Why someone wouldn't want to do this is mind boggling!?! With all of the expensive and deadly genetic problems these little guys are prone to(liver shunts, LPs etc), it would be worth it to try to eliminate them by testing breeding pairs...because it would save the breeder $$ in the long run if they are producing sound dogs. Inevitably, they are going to keep their own puppies in their line and it will ='s less vet bills for both them AND the people who are buying puppies from them....which ='s happier customers!! Knowing what I know now, I don't think I'd ever purchase a pup from a breeder unless they did testing on the parents. Last edited by theporkieyorkie; 08-29-2013 at 07:01 PM. | |
08-30-2013, 05:55 AM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Usually the health clinics are open to any-one to book in their dog(s). But you often need to pre-register for the health clinic. Not always but often. Health clinics happen in a number of different ways, a) the hosting club for the show might organize one or more health clinics b) one of the National Clubs that is holding their National Specialty at that show might organize and host the health clinic. I have been to major shows where health clinics were run all three days of the show. Eye Cerfs are pretty common, BAER (hearing tests), Heart, sometimes Xray ie Offa (I've only seen that twice), never seen BATS offered(yet), but there are a few tests you can get done. Temperament testing is offered infrequently, but I love it when it is!
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