Not sure is Shy is preggers... (2 weeks-ish)

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by jaydoubledub

And again, no one has stepped up to help coach or mentor me. Sad, because there's a lot of bashing.

You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by jaydoubledub

Again, not helpful.

But truthful.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by jaydoubledub

Thanks theporkieyorkie.

It just goes to show, because, you post a lot doesn't mean you know everything. I appreciate your insight and finesse in the matter. I never said I was set on her having pups. I said I wanted it. People assume I blindly went in to this. I have looked into it prior to leaving. To be honest, I thought her cycle had passed before I went away for a month. I was actually leaning toward not breeding her. Of course I still kind of wanted to breed her, in all honesty, but, the health issue was/is a concern.

Lorraine, you too have been very helpful. You have given more perspective that I can appreciate and learn from.

And again, no one has stepped up to help coach or mentor me. Sad, because there's a lot of bashing. I've seen a few posts with helpful comments and they're appreciated. Luckily, I still find the site more helpful than not. However, I will probably just read others' posts and not ask anything. It doesn't seem constructive to ask people about breeding, because, it becomes more of a headache than helpful. I always give the benefit of the doubt to most people. Some just are expected to be who they are though. Oh well...

Between Shy's vet and forums such as YT and others, I believe I'll be able to make the right call for my girl, one way or the other.

A mentor is a reputable breeder in your area you can come to your house when Shy is whelping so you will need some one in your area. You can go to ytca.org and look for breeders in your area then call each one and explain the situation and help needed.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

You said what i was going to say and said it well i hope he follows the advice given

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

You got yourself and Shy into this predicament, but it sounds like you are blaming people on this forum for not stepping up to the plate when they had nothing to do with your decision. The responsibility is ALL yours.

I'm not sure what you think anybody here should be doing for you. They told you about several resources for good information, but it is up to you to look it up, read, and study, they can't do that for you.

Further, an online mentor just won't cut it. You need someone to be right there, physically, when your girl whelps. Perhaps your vet can recommend someone that is experienced in the whelping of toy breeds, and hopefully that person will have a litter on the way and you can participate and learn firsthand. There are so many things that can go wrong, and you need someone right there that is experienced enough to recognize if there is a problem.

I would rather see an emergency spay in this situation, but if you are bound and determined to put Shy through this you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You need to start studying NOW. You need to find a local mentor NOW. You need to start putting aside emergency and/or c-section funds NOW. You need to completely clear your schedule for her due date NOW. You need to get serious about this, because this isn't all lollipops and rainbows, this could end up a tragedy and Shy and her pups are depending on YOU (not the people on this forum).

Good post Girl!

[impish]

Originally Posted by gemy

Within the limited bounds of an on line forum you have received lots of advice and help. And yes you have had many posts warning not only you but future readers of this thread a more responsible way of going through with the whole breeding idea

You will need for the best safety of your gal Shy hands on help

There are no shortcuts to responsible breeding and there is are real financial outlays

If you do not have butterflies of real concern for the life of your Shy then you simply do not know enough of what can go wrong

I have given you what advice I can despite knowing the regrettable circumstances of how Shy came to be bred

[dollydoodle]

Let's see...You've been a member of this forum for a couple years & the only posts you've made have been asking for help. Well that is "NOT HELPFUL"!! Seems like you have expectations of members only helping you, & you won't accept other comments. You have not posted once in 2 years with any helpful advice or compliments for other members. Am I wrong?
I do feel so badly for poor Shy. I hope you do what's best for her.

[Verbena]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Here is the reality of breeding and yes just one litter on the way makes you a breeder.
Be prepared to take time off work within about a week of whelping which can happen 59-63 days after conception although can be early or late. Too early they are premature and increases the likelihood of losing the litter. There are still the ones that can be born dead for various reasons, you have to be ready to deal with that.
Someone has to be there during whelping and for about a week afterwards, perhaps longer if a new and especially inexperienced mom. Then there is what to do if one is a weakling how to get it nursing perhaps having to tube feed to help it then lose it anyway sometimes at 3, 7, 10 days of age.
At whelping, to know that all pups have been expelled and the placentas have come out. Does she need antibiotics? Most of the time they do a nd I always put them on for 7 days. I am lucky I have a knowledgable vet and always have them on hand. After whelping to be sure to watch for any complications on mom. You lose the mom you will be raising the puppies if they survive. That means 24 hour round the clock feeding of setting your alarm for every 60min to get up and feed and wiping bums etc to get them to potty.
Your responsibility continues through the weaning process as you have to feed and clean up after them. And watch for any health issues than can manifest now that they are no long supported by their moms system but their own kidney, heart liver etc. Sometimes things can go wrong you can lose a pup at weaning time or shortly after, hopefully before being sold so you deal with it not some brand new owner with their dear puppy. If that happens you reimburse the purchase price. You better have a contract outlining what you will cover as you could be liable for any vet fees they ran up in determining the problem. AS I read the posts on here, it came to light your bitch is fearful personality. Did you realize all her puppies likely will be. Attitude is very inheritable that’s a reason why breeders who know better would never keep one like that in a breeding program.
Then at 10 weeks first vaccs vet check. About 4 weeks later 2nd vaccs and vet check then they can go to a new home. Gee these are not out at the door at 8 weeks and you will be doing the cleaning up and care for them.
What about genetic diseases. Sire and dam can be carriers and not manifest a disease but their pups may. That’s one reason you need to know the pedigree, what dogs are in it and if anything has shown up in them or puppies produced. It is a tricky thing as carriers do not exhibit anything but pups can, sometimes a whole litter. One breeder I know of years ago produced a litter of 3 and 2 of the sibs came up with legge calves perthes. She was knowledgable about her line but it happened anyway. Such as it is in the breeding world..
I hope for your girls sake all goes well. Things can go terribly wrong even with a first litter. I have been doing this for about 18 years, have mentors, excellent Vets and let me tell you , no litter yet has been a walk in the park as I know what can go wrong, I know what has gone wrong.
Why do I do it? I have no idea it sure is NOT the money. I make nothing I don't break even I have to support us with my job I do. I have no vacations, income is chaotic as I chose to have my own business so I could take time off as needed. No paid holiday, no paid sick leave, no company pension plan no nothing. I am totally on my own with all that stuff.

Very nicely said.

I want to say hello and welcome to YT. I just want to let you know that this group is one of the more active dog forums. Our group is a large, passionate, group that has a lot of love for the Yorkie. Please understand, some have been here for years. We have seen people come in with various and some deadly issues that these poor Yorkies have gone through. We have seen puppies and even their mothers die in birth. We have experienced the result of untested ties, with many of hereditary issues. Many have purchased or even rescued pups that 2-3 years or more down the line that has had major issues. That is why we promote getting a pup from a reputable breeder and always spay and neuter.

I am not here to bash you or put you down. We are here just to educate. Sometimes our emotions get the better and we get more passionate. Also understand that you need to find a mentor in your area. A reputable breeder that can help you. A lot of members here are not breeders or not in your area.
Thanks

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

He has been a member here since 2/2012. He has had plenty of time, and the resources available here at YT to do research on what goes in to breeding BEFORE he and his roommate got the bright idea to stick two dogs together.

That, IMO, makes what he is doing exceedingly irresponsible. You can't learn what you need to know about safely whelping on a website or by watching YouTube videos. You need a hands-on mentor who will be there with you during the whelp, and preferably had you assist with a whelping before your own dog does. There are so many things that can go wrong, before during and after a whelp, and it takes an experienced eye to know how to intervene or when an emergency vet is needed to prevent the loss of either a pup or the dam.

The OP describes himself as being in the medical field. Hopefully he will realize that his training doesn't cover this. I would also hope he would realize that it's both offensive and trivializing to refer to breeding as "preggers" and "knocked up".

[gemy]

Here is what I feel. You think you should get offers of free help for whelping?

Get real here! Would you ask an accountant for free tax advice or a lawyer?

You and only you made this decision

It is now your responsibility to do the best for your gal!

As a breeder I will select those folks I want to mentor this is a huge responsibility. For the breeder and a longterm commitment


There are. Quid pro quos. With mentoring. Not so much with whelping coaches. That is usually a pure financial contract

[Yorkiemom1]

I would advise you, STRICTLY for the safety of Shy, to get close and personal with your vet....hopefully, ytour vet has experience with small dogs, especially Yorkies, as small dogs/Yorkies have entirely different sets of complicated care issues. I advise you to get an ultra sound at 4 weeks following the breeding....hopefully, again, your vet is proficient at reading US, and can verify if your girl is pregnant. If she is NOT, I suggest you have her spayed. If she is, I would also suggest an emergency spay, but if you have an aversion to that, you will need to support this pregnancy with proper nutrition for your lady. I advise Royal Canin HT 42d, free fed until her 42nd day of pregnancy. I advise you to get on line and find the subbsequent formulas you need to feed her, thru whelping, and until the babies are weaned. I advise you to take this lady for an xray on day 58 of her pregnancy...that will clearly tell you how many babies she is carrying and you will be able to use calipers to measure heads and pelvic ring ratios. If it looks like Shy will not be able to pass these babies, make arrangerments for a c-section, BEFORE you get into trouble and it becomes an emergency. Then, I strongly suggest you either make arrangements with a knowledgable vet tech or a person you can contact that has extensive experience whelping Yorkies, to come when you call as Shy goes into labor. I would advise you to leave Shy with your vet in attendance, 24/7, so the vet will be present during the whelp. As a member of this forum for the length of time that you have been, I advise you to start thoroughly combing thru all the stickies in the breeder section and absorb everything you have not absorbed in the time you have already been a member, in the next two months....there are TONS of posts about supplies you will need, what you need to know to raise puppies, formulas, instructions on tube feedings, etc, etc, etc. NOW, go forth and invest YOUR time and effort and get a grasp on what is facing you and how to handle it.....and STOP responding that no one has done anything to help you! You have had many, many, many people take the time to try to direct you....you can NOT get this knowledge from us thru osmosis....get busy, your little lady is running out of time..................

[impish]

Nice advice!

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I would advise you, STRICTLY for the safety of Shy, to get close and personal with your vet....hopefully, ytour vet has experience with small dogs, especially Yorkies, as small dogs/Yorkies have entirely different sets of complicated care issues. I advise you to get an ultra sound at 4 weeks following the breeding....hopefully, again, your vet is proficient at reading US, and can verify if your girl is pregnant. If she is NOT, I suggest you have her spayed. If she is, I would also suggest an emergency spay, but if you have an aversion to that, you will need to support this pregnancy with proper nutrition for your lady. I advise Royal Canin HT 42d, free fed until her 42nd day of pregnancy. I advise you to get on line and find the subbsequent formulas you need to feed her, thru whelping, and until the babies are weaned. I advise you to take this lady for an xray on day 58 of her pregnancy...that will clearly tell you how many babies she is carrying and you will be able to use calipers to measure heads and pelvic ring ratios. If it looks like Shy will not be able to pass these babies, make arrangerments for a c-section, BEFORE you get into trouble and it becomes an emergency. Then, I strongly suggest you either make arrangements with a knowledgable vet tech or a person you can contact that has extensive experience whelping Yorkies, to come when you call as Shy goes into labor. I would advise you to leave Shy with your vet in attendance, 24/7, so the vet will be present during the whelp. As a member of this forum for the length of time that you have been, I advise you to start thoroughly combing thru all the stickies in the breeder section and absorb everything you have not absorbed in the time you have already been a member, in the next two months....there are TONS of posts about supplies you will need, what you need to know to raise puppies, formulas, instructions on tube feedings, etc, etc, etc. NOW, go forth and invest YOUR time and effort and get a grasp on what is facing you and how to handle it.....and STOP responding that no one has done anything to help you! You have had many, many, many people take the time to try to direct you....you can NOT get this knowledge from us thru osmosis....get busy, your little lady is running out of time..................

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I would advise you, STRICTLY for the safety of Shy, to get close and personal with your vet....hopefully, ytour vet has experience with small dogs, especially Yorkies, as small dogs/Yorkies have entirely different sets of complicated care issues. I advise you to get an ultra sound at 4 weeks following the breeding....hopefully, again, your vet is proficient at reading US, and can verify if your girl is pregnant. If she is NOT, I suggest you have her spayed. If she is, I would also suggest an emergency spay, but if you have an aversion to that, you will need to support this pregnancy with proper nutrition for your lady. I advise Royal Canin HT 42d, free fed until her 42nd day of pregnancy. I advise you to get on line and find the subbsequent formulas you need to feed her, thru whelping, and until the babies are weaned. I advise you to take this lady for an xray on day 58 of her pregnancy...that will clearly tell you how many babies she is carrying and you will be able to use calipers to measure heads and pelvic ring ratios. If it looks like Shy will not be able to pass these babies, make arrangerments for a c-section, BEFORE you get into trouble and it becomes an emergency. Then, I strongly suggest you either make arrangements with a knowledgable vet tech or a person you can contact that has extensive experience whelping Yorkies, to come when you call as Shy goes into labor. I would advise you to leave Shy with your vet in attendance, 24/7, so the vet will be present during the whelp. As a member of this forum for the length of time that you have been, I advise you to start thoroughly combing thru all the stickies in the breeder section and absorb everything you have not absorbed in the time you have already been a member, in the next two months....there are TONS of posts about supplies you will need, what you need to know to raise puppies, formulas, instructions on tube feedings, etc, etc, etc. NOW, go forth and invest YOUR time and effort and get a grasp on what is facing you and how to handle it.....and STOP responding that no one has done anything to help you! You have had many, many, many people take the time to try to direct you....you can NOT get this knowledge from us thru osmosis....get busy, your little lady is running out of time..................

There you have it, My favorite Keyboard Warrior has spoken...we all want what is best for your pup...we actually care little about you right now but definitely we care about your pup

[theporkieyorkie]

That is some solid advice from Yorkiemom1!!

If it were me, I would definitely find a breeder/mentor in the area. Even if it's not a "yorkie" breeder, it's better than going through the whelping alone.

I am wondering if it's possible to set up a c-section/spay at the same time?!? Not sure if a c-section is more stressful on the pups or the bitch if it's planned....but it may be an option to make sure there are no birthing complications and it will prevent further pregnancies. If the OP is going to go through and have the puppies and then spay her afterwards anyways, it would save her from the danger of having to go under anesthesia twice...maybe something to ask the vet about?!?

I'd also urge the OP to talk to his roommate about neutering the little male...for a few reasons. Generally, neutered males make better pets because they don't have massive amounts of testosterone running through their body that cause them to misbehave...and also because there are more health risks when you leave a male in tact.

~~My friend just neutered his male that we adopted 2 weeks ago from the shelter and we are hoping he will stop getting friendly will pillows, peoples legs and everything else he finds attractive...and we are hoping he will settle down when he sees other dogs as well. I know to a lot of guys, it seems cruel...like you're taking their manhood away or something, but being neutered is truly better for the dog all around.