Tinkerbell is in labor!!! - Page 4 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

rrosenberry · 12-30-2005, 08:26 AM

Aw, that is so sad,, that poor momma is heartbroken,, Ah,, I just wanna hold her for about a week,and console her..
Poor babies too..
This is so sad.

YorkieRini · 12-30-2005, 08:32 AM

What a hard lesson to learn. I feel bad for all those involved.

I think the advise of stuffed animals was a good one. Can't hurt anyway.

So far (knocking on wood) I had not lost an entire litter. BUT I had a mom that had a false pregnancy she went through the entire motions. She was a little out of sorts at first.

I am glad Tinkerbell is now spayed. Glad the farmer vet new enough to do the spay and the section successfully.

One think I noticed is how long Friend let momma stay in labor. If it's hard labor that's too long. But in this perticular case it didn't matter, pups were premature.

Hugs to you and friend and tinkerbelle!

Irene

YorkieRose · 12-30-2005, 11:02 AM

I am sorry if this breeder is a good friend of yours Kimberley, but I am going to say it...this is a perfect example of a breeder not putting the best interest of the animal first.
This poor bitch had demonstrated twice that she was incapable of carrying a litter to whelping time...but she was rebred for the third time. I will not ask why, because there is no legitimate reason. She could have been a world champion and the end of her line and the breeding should not have been done.
The bitch was allowed to labor far too long..why the wait? The only reason is, the possible prevention of the cost of C-section..there is no other legitimate reason to allow a bitch in obvious trouble to wait a few more hours..the sooner the section, the better. Each hours you wait, the poorer the bitches condition to undergo surgery.

This was a no win breeding from the start..and a breeder knew it, but did it anyway. I am angry, very angry.

YorkieRini · 12-30-2005, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I am sorry if this breeder is a good friend of yours Kimberley, but I am going to say it...this is a perfect example of a breeder not putting the best interest of the animal first.
This poor bitch had demonstrated twice that she was incapable of carrying a litter to whelping time...but she was rebred for the third time. I will not ask why, because there is no legitimate reason. She could have been a world champion and the end of her line and the breeding should not have been done.
The bitch was allowed to labor far too long..why the wait? The only reason is, the possible prevention of the cost of C-section..there is no other legitimate reason to allow a bitch in obvious trouble to wait a few more hours..the sooner the section, the better. Each hours you wait, the poorer the bitches condition to undergo surgery.

This was a no win breeding from the start..and a breeder knew it, but did it anyway. I am angry, very angry.

Thanks for saying it like it is Pat~

cajungal · 12-30-2005, 12:14 PM

Poor baby! Please give Tinkerbell extra hugs and kisses for me. For this poor baby to go through this 3 times is so sad. They do grieve just like a mother losing her baby. The breeder that we were going to go with, her yorkie did the same thing after all the puppies died. She kept crying and kept going from room to room looking for her babies. And her milk was still full so she was very uncomfortable.

BabyFidgette · 12-30-2005, 12:51 PM

Hi All,

I think this story and all of you have taught me a major lesson before anything was done. First of all, for those who don't know me yet I'm Nicole

I just got my first Yorkie...first dog for that matter...a little over a month ago. She's 3+ months now. Number one: (please don't yell at me

) I bought her in a pet store. I had NO NO NO idea what a puppy mill was, and never heard of it. I know, I didn't do my research first. My fault. Trust me, I know better now! I did TONS of research after the fact. Better late than never, right?

Number two: So far I have learned a lot on this site about how to take better care of my Baby, i.e. Lepto shots, biting, etc. And Number three: The big lesson learned here (besides the puppymills), I'm not going to allow my Baby to have babies. She's not a tiny/teacup/whatever cutsie wootsie name they give these puppies. So far she's 4.5lbs. The reason I wanted to "get her pregnant" was so that I can give her company without paying a fortune for another puppy. How selfish was that??? I'm not a breeder and don't want to have to go through any heartbreak like this...especially if I don't know what I'm doing. Then what about the other pups? I know myself, I probably wouldn't want to give any up! I must have been crazy! Thank God I read posts on here first. I've decided to spay her at 6 months and eventually get her a companion. So you should all be greatful you straighten my behind out!!

PS. Once again...sorry about Tinkerbell and her babies.

cajungal · 12-30-2005, 12:58 PM

I am not going to yell at you. My Lacey was purchased at a local pet store and she was the best dog ever. We did not have a clue that it was bad to buy from pet stores because most get their dogs from puppy mills. I was only 15 when I got Lacey. My parents surprized me with her. Lacey did not have any health problems at all until she got kidney failure at age 13. Not every puppy bought at a pet store has a healty pet like mine. You live and learn. In fact, I did not think too much about it until I came here. Yorkie Talk has taught me a lot. I know I might not agree on everyone's opinions, but I just can't stay away. I have been hooked. I still can't get little Tinkerbell out of my head. I still can't stop thinking of that poor baby looking for her puppies. I wish I lived closer so I could give her a big hug and lots of attention. But, I am sure her owner is really comforting Tinkerbell right now. She needs all the love and attention she can get to help her through such a difficult time. My heart just breaks for her.

red98vett · 12-30-2005, 01:47 PM

Nicole...I LOVED your post -

I remember back in the days I didn't know what a Puppy Mill was either - matter of fact - my husband got his first 2 cockers and we got Tessa together from what I now consider a mill - she is 10 years old but I STILL remember that awful place....It took me another 5 years before I was on the computer learning about them -

So many of us talk over and over about certain subjects...I know it gets very repeatative sometimes - What's nice to know is that someone actually listened and learned & may re-think some things based on the information they've read -

I applaud your post because it sounds like you really have made some good decisions based on your new knowledge. I too used to think I wanted "just one litter"....even my own vet encouraged me to breed Chanel - but based on the wealth of information on sites like this - I totally changed my tune also. I still love the idea of breeding but so far.... I leave it to the pros.

and I can't get Tinkerbell out of my head either - Kimberley - how is that poor baby doing ? I sure wish I could come hug her too - it's heartbreaking knowing she's missing her babies so much...do you think she'll ever be the same after this ?

YorkieRini · 12-30-2005, 02:39 PM

How about this. I used to work at a mall pet store when I was 17. I didn't know any better either. I remember the pups did come shipped in crates and some were sick and had health issues. Now I won't even walk into one that sells pups and kittens. It bothers me to death that I worked and sold pups to people in that environment. Now I'm the opposite!

Don't feel bad, we aren't born knowing. Most importantly, you learned and know better now. YOu can educate someone else now..spread the word girl!!

Yorkieluv · 12-30-2005, 03:05 PM

Kim, this is such devastating news...I am so sorry for your friend, but more importantly Tinkerbell

I know she is suffering a great deal over this, and I hope that she recovers from this soon. Like mentioned earlier, this furbaby deserves a life of pampering and spoiling, especially after this...Our prayers are with Tinkerbell.

txshopper73 · 12-30-2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I am sorry if this breeder is a good friend of yours Kimberley, but I am going to say it...this is a perfect example of a breeder not putting the best interest of the animal first.
This poor bitch had demonstrated twice that she was incapable of carrying a litter to whelping time...but she was rebred for the third time. I will not ask why, because there is no legitimate reason. She could have been a world champion and the end of her line and the breeding should not have been done.
The bitch was allowed to labor far too long..why the wait? The only reason is, the possible prevention of the cost of C-section..there is no other legitimate reason to allow a bitch in obvious trouble to wait a few more hours..the sooner the section, the better. Each hours you wait, the poorer the bitches condition to undergo surgery.

This was a no win breeding from the start..and a breeder knew it, but did it anyway. I am angry, very angry.

Thanks, Pat! A good friend, not really but we do talk about once a month.

I agree...I would not have bred her this time, either with her history. Nor would I have allowed her to go as long as she did...I would have done it after 1 1/2 hours.

I understand your frustration. Tinkerbell went 4 hours from start of hard labor to c-section prep and start of surgery.

troubletb · 12-30-2005, 04:59 PM

All I can say is Wow! Its sad, Hope that Tinkerbell will be OK.I think I'm numb!! I'm usually not for a loss of words!!??!!

YorkieRose · 12-30-2005, 06:10 PM

Yorkies are the hardiest toy breed I am told..lets hope Tinkerbell bounces back very fast and can live a long happy life of a pet.

txshopper73 · 12-30-2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Yorkies are the hardiest toy breed I am told..lets hope Tinkerbell bounces back very fast and can live a long happy life of a pet.

I agree. I called her again this evening but haven't heard back from her. I'm worried but I'm sure that she's been busy.

starleneo · 12-30-2005, 06:47 PM

That poor poor baby. I feel so sad for her. The stuff animals will be a great help though. My bigger baby would have false pregencies every time she came into season. She would carry her stuffed babies everywhere with her. We got her spayed when she was 2 yrs old. She still steals Taffy's stuffed toys from her and hides them her. Baby treats them are real babys. I hope Tinkerbell does well.

12-30-2005, 08:26 AM	#46
rrosenberry & Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,164	Aw, that is so sad,, that poor momma is heartbroken,, Ah,, I just wanna hold her for about a week,and console her.. Poor babies too.. This is so sad. __________________ Rhonda, Bailey, Josie and my angel Bella Rue' "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France~

12-30-2005, 11:02 AM	#48
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeder I am sorry if this breeder is a good friend of yours Kimberley, but I am going to say it...this is a perfect example of a breeder not putting the best interest of the animal first. This poor bitch had demonstrated twice that she was incapable of carrying a litter to whelping time...but she was rebred for the third time. I will not ask why, because there is no legitimate reason. She could have been a world champion and the end of her line and the breeding should not have been done. The bitch was allowed to labor far too long..why the wait? The only reason is, the possible prevention of the cost of C-section..there is no other legitimate reason to allow a bitch in obvious trouble to wait a few more hours..the sooner the section, the better. Each hours you wait, the poorer the bitches condition to undergo surgery. This was a no win breeding from the start..and a breeder knew it, but did it anyway. I am angry, very angry.

12-30-2005, 12:14 PM	#50
cajungal YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Schriever, Louisiana Posts: 404	Poor baby! Please give Tinkerbell extra hugs and kisses for me. For this poor baby to go through this 3 times is so sad. They do grieve just like a mother losing her baby. The breeder that we were going to go with, her yorkie did the same thing after all the puppies died. She kept crying and kept going from room to room looking for her babies. And her milk was still full so she was very uncomfortable. __________________ Rest in Peace, Lacey I LOVE YOU. January 11,1992-June 30, 2005 Proud new mommy to Chloe Cheyenne born Dec 28, 2005

12-30-2005, 12:51 PM	#51
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	Lesson Learned Hi All, I think this story and all of you have taught me a major lesson before anything was done. First of all, for those who don't know me yet I'm Nicole I just got my first Yorkie...first dog for that matter...a little over a month ago. She's 3+ months now. Number one: (please don't yell at me ) I bought her in a pet store. I had NO NO NO idea what a puppy mill was, and never heard of it. I know, I didn't do my research first. My fault. Trust me, I know better now! I did TONS of research after the fact. Better late than never, right? Number two: So far I have learned a lot on this site about how to take better care of my Baby, i.e. Lepto shots, biting, etc. And Number three: The big lesson learned here (besides the puppymills), I'm not going to allow my Baby to have babies. She's not a tiny/teacup/whatever cutsie wootsie name they give these puppies. So far she's 4.5lbs. The reason I wanted to "get her pregnant" was so that I can give her company without paying a fortune for another puppy. How selfish was that??? I'm not a breeder and don't want to have to go through any heartbreak like this...especially if I don't know what I'm doing. Then what about the other pups? I know myself, I probably wouldn't want to give any up! I must have been crazy! Thank God I read posts on here first. I've decided to spay her at 6 months and eventually get her a companion. So you should all be greatful you straighten my behind out!! PS. Once again...sorry about Tinkerbell and her babies. __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"

12-30-2005, 12:58 PM	#52
cajungal YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Schriever, Louisiana Posts: 404	I am not going to yell at you. My Lacey was purchased at a local pet store and she was the best dog ever. We did not have a clue that it was bad to buy from pet stores because most get their dogs from puppy mills. I was only 15 when I got Lacey. My parents surprized me with her. Lacey did not have any health problems at all until she got kidney failure at age 13. Not every puppy bought at a pet store has a healty pet like mine. You live and learn. In fact, I did not think too much about it until I came here. Yorkie Talk has taught me a lot. I know I might not agree on everyone's opinions, but I just can't stay away. I have been hooked. I still can't get little Tinkerbell out of my head. I still can't stop thinking of that poor baby looking for her puppies. I wish I lived closer so I could give her a big hug and lots of attention. But, I am sure her owner is really comforting Tinkerbell right now. She needs all the love and attention she can get to help her through such a difficult time. My heart just breaks for her. __________________ Rest in Peace, Lacey I LOVE YOU. January 11,1992-June 30, 2005 Proud new mommy to Chloe Cheyenne born Dec 28, 2005

12-30-2005, 08:32 AM	#47
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	What a hard lesson to learn. I feel bad for all those involved. I think the advise of stuffed animals was a good one. Can't hurt anyway. So far (knocking on wood) I had not lost an entire litter. BUT I had a mom that had a false pregnancy she went through the entire motions. She was a little out of sorts at first. I am glad Tinkerbell is now spayed. Glad the farmer vet new enough to do the spay and the section successfully. One think I noticed is how long Friend let momma stay in labor. If it's hard labor that's too long. But in this perticular case it didn't matter, pups were premature. Hugs to you and friend and tinkerbelle! Irene

12-30-2005, 01:47 PM	#53
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Nicole...I LOVED your post - I remember back in the days I didn't know what a Puppy Mill was either - matter of fact - my husband got his first 2 cockers and we got Tessa together from what I now consider a mill - she is 10 years old but I STILL remember that awful place....It took me another 5 years before I was on the computer learning about them - So many of us talk over and over about certain subjects...I know it gets very repeatative sometimes - What's nice to know is that someone actually listened and learned & may re-think some things based on the information they've read - I applaud your post because it sounds like you really have made some good decisions based on your new knowledge. I too used to think I wanted "just one litter"....even my own vet encouraged me to breed Chanel - but based on the wealth of information on sites like this - I totally changed my tune also. I still love the idea of breeding but so far.... I leave it to the pros. and I can't get Tinkerbell out of my head either - Kimberley - how is that poor baby doing ? I sure wish I could come hug her too - it's heartbreaking knowing she's missing her babies so much...do you think she'll ever be the same after this ? __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-30-2005, 02:39 PM	#54
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	How about this. I used to work at a mall pet store when I was 17. I didn't know any better either. I remember the pups did come shipped in crates and some were sick and had health issues. Now I won't even walk into one that sells pups and kittens. It bothers me to death that I worked and sold pups to people in that environment. Now I'm the opposite! Don't feel bad, we aren't born knowing. Most importantly, you learned and know better now. YOu can educate someone else now..spread the word girl!!

12-30-2005, 03:05 PM	#55
Yorkieluv Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7,178	Kim, this is such devastating news...I am so sorry for your friend, but more importantly Tinkerbell I know she is suffering a great deal over this, and I hope that she recovers from this soon. Like mentioned earlier, this furbaby deserves a life of pampering and spoiling, especially after this...Our prayers are with Tinkerbell. __________________ Miko 's his Mommy

12-30-2005, 04:59 PM	#57
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	All I can say is Wow! Its sad, Hope that Tinkerbell will be OK.I think I'm numb!! I'm usually not for a loss of words!!??!! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

12-30-2005, 06:10 PM	#58
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeding Yorkies are the hardiest toy breed I am told..lets hope Tinkerbell bounces back very fast and can live a long happy life of a pet.

12-30-2005, 06:47 PM	#60
starleneo YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: central Illinois Posts: 322	That poor poor baby. I feel so sad for her. The stuff animals will be a great help though. My bigger baby would have false pregencies every time she came into season. She would carry her stuffed babies everywhere with her. We got her spayed when she was 2 yrs old. She still steals Taffy's stuffed toys from her and hides them her. Baby treats them are real babys. I hope Tinkerbell does well.