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JCarlson2004 · 12-29-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sami

WOW!!

Are you guys serious. He hasnt even contacted the breeder yet. That would be step one. Small claims court is a last resort, enless you have a lot of free time on your hands. I hate court, its not fun. You have so many better options. getting a discount being a win-win situation.

Yes, I am quite serious. It's true that he has not as of yet contacted the breeder but there is NO harm at all in being prepared JUST IN CASE the breeder is not willing to work with him. I don't believe there are "better" options over contacting a lawyers FOR FREE. Some lawyers even do free PHONE consultations which would be ideal in this situation. How hard is it to pick up the phone, call a lawyer and ask a few questions? Not hard at all. You know the old saying ... I'd rather be safe then sorry!

JCarlson2004 · 12-29-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Biddy's Mom

I don't think either of these things are the breeder's fault. Baby teeth not falling out is VERY common with Yorkies - the vet can just pull them, this isn't a defect. Also, my breeder told me that yorkies's testicles can take up to a year to drop. I think maybe you're being a little too quick to blame the breeder - and a lawsuit?!?! I think that is absolutely ridiculous. JMHO...

I agree with you re: the baby teeth not falling out. When I had Codie neutered, he had 9 baby teeth removed. And when I had Katie spayed, she also had 9 baby teeth removed. I use to call Katie "sharp tooth" from the cartoon movie The Land Before Time because she had so many extra teeth before she was spayed!

BamaFan121s · 12-29-2005, 01:39 PM

Teeth can easily be pulled, if I am not mistaken. I would suggest talking to your breeder before doing anything else, but just to make you feel better, you can see from some of the suggestions here that you do have other options, should it come to that...hopefully it won't. I don't know what your intentions for this little guy are (as far as your breeding plan, nothing negative) if you are intent on breeding or if you would be happy as a pet, so I don't know what kind of outcome you would be willing to settle for as far as how to advise you. Definately talk to your vet first, I do know sometimes it take time for the testicles to drop, maybe he just isn't a "man" yet!

feminvstr · 12-29-2005, 01:41 PM

If you didnt receive or sign a contract stating the health and hereditary guarantee of this baby then you have no legal right.

Reputable breeders will NOT release a baby with out an adoptee/breeder agreement.

Most reputable breeders that may have been remiss will still stand behind their breeding but those who puprosely sell without a contact do so because they do not want to be bothered once the pup has been placed.

You would be hard pressed in any court not having a contract that protects you as a buyer in incidents such as this.

If I were you I would wait a couple more months, my little man "Ransom" didnt drop totally until after 8 months.

It's also my opinion you have nothing to bargin, because once again you have no written agreement.

sami · 12-29-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Biddy's Mom

I don't think either of these things are the breeder's fault. Baby teeth not falling out is VERY common with Yorkies - the vet can just pull them, this isn't a defect. Also, my breeder told me that yorkies's testicles can take up to a year to drop. I think maybe you're being a little too quick to blame the breeder - and a lawsuit?!?! I think that is absolutely ridiculous. JMHO...

sami · 12-29-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

Yes, I am quite serious. It's true that he has not as of yet contacted the breeder but there is NO harm at all in being prepared JUST IN CASE the breeder is not willing to work with him. I don't believe there are "better" options over contacting a lawyers FOR FREE. Some lawyers even do free PHONE consultations which would be ideal in this situation. How hard is it to pick up the phone, call a lawyer and ask a few questions? Not hard at all. You know the old saying ... I'd rather be safe then sorry!

Do you call a lawyer everytime the check engine light comes on in your car or do you take it to the dealership? Talk about jumping the gun.

JCarlson2004 · 12-29-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sami

Do you call a lawyer everytime the check engine light comes on in your car or do you take it to the dealership? Talk about jumping the gun.

Nope. Again, I don't see what the harm is in making a phone call. Call it jumping the gun or not ..... I could care less.

BamaFan121s · 12-29-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Biddy's Mom

I don't think either of these things are the breeder's fault. Baby teeth not falling out is VERY common with Yorkies - the vet can just pull them, this isn't a defect. Also, my breeder told me that yorkies's testicles can take up to a year to drop. I think maybe you're being a little too quick to blame the breeder - and a lawsuit?!?! I think that is absolutely ridiculous. JMHO...

Not to step on any toes (this time

)I would just like to say, in the defense of the poster, she(?) never said there was any intent on suing the breeder. She seems to just be asking for information from us. Also, in defense of those who brought up the lawyers, they never said, "hey, go sue the breeder." They were simply making suggesions...ANY suggestions on ways it could be handled IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT. But yes, Biddy's Mom, I do agree, I think it is waaaay to early to jump to conclusions yet, but if it is something of concern, there is no harm in mentioning it to the breeder? I would love to be kept up to date w/ every detail of the development of our pups.

livingdustmops · 12-29-2005, 01:51 PM

I am having trouble with this post

This is a couple who bought a dog for breeding, no contract (what quality of Yorkie did he buy without a contract), doesn't know about puppy teeth or the basic's of their physical being, now wants a female and you are telling him to go to a lawyer. Without a contract it is "Buyer Beware".

I am trying to not be disrespectful but please pick up a book on Yorkies as well as going through the YT site to understand the value of quality breeding in these dogs.

sami · 12-29-2005, 01:53 PM

okay the consensus here is

1.) call the breeder and a lawyer.

That seems to be pretty fair. This way you have all your bases covered. Good sound advice if you as me.

YorkieRose · 12-29-2005, 01:54 PM

It all comes down to what the contract states. If you bought a male for breeding and there are no testicles at 6 months, you should get a refund after you return the pup or the breeder should pay whatever extra cost to neuter and you keep your pet...retained testicle neutering runs more then a regular neutering.
The pups should not have been sold for breeding in the first place if the testicles could not be detected at the time of the sale.
As to the teeth..have them removed, a normal puppy expense for the pet owner..

PS..when the testicles remain the body cavity for months , they tend to aptophy and he would be the best stud potential anyway. These things are genetic recessive traits, so why buy another from the line who no doubt carries the genes?

BamaFan121s · 12-29-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sami

okay the consensus here is

1.) call the breeder and a lawyer.

That seems to be pretty fair. This way you have all your bases covered. Good sound advice if you as me.

Stitches29 · 12-29-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kjandb

I purchased a small yorkie for $1000 for my wife with intentions of breeding. He is now 6 months and his testicles have not dropped. His teeth are also doubled up (like a shark) and both (one layer of teeth and testicles) will have to be removed.

Should I ask for some money back? What sounds fair?

Should he have lost his teeth by now? And what about his testicles? Is it possible that they will still drop?

Thanks,

Kyle

Maggie didn't lose her double row of teeth until she was 8 months old. She still has two small upper canines. Hopefully they will fall out soon. The vet said to watch them. So far, I'm watching them everyday.

BamaFan121s · 12-29-2005, 01:57 PM

[QUOTE=livingdustmops]I am having trouble with this post

This is a couple who bought a dog for breeding, no contract[QUOTE]

Missed that part...then again...I was just trying to keep things civil, so I wasn't paying that much attention, I guess.

JCarlson2004 · 12-29-2005, 02:01 PM

[QUOTE=BamaFan121s]

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I am having trouble with this post

This is a couple who bought a dog for breeding, no contractQUOTE]

Missed that part...then again...I was just trying to keep things civil, so I wasn't paying that much attention, I guess.

Actually I did too! LOL

If there is not contract, then there is not much he can do legally.

But my question is ... why would someone purchase a dog for breeding and NOT have a contract of some sort?

12-29-2005, 01:51 PM	#24
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I am having trouble with this post This is a couple who bought a dog for breeding, no contract (what quality of Yorkie did he buy without a contract), doesn't know about puppy teeth or the basic's of their physical being, now wants a female and you are telling him to go to a lawyer. Without a contract it is "Buyer Beware". I am trying to not be disrespectful but please pick up a book on Yorkies as well as going through the YT site to understand the value of quality breeding in these dogs. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-29-2005, 01:54 PM	#26
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	puppy It all comes down to what the contract states. If you bought a male for breeding and there are no testicles at 6 months, you should get a refund after you return the pup or the breeder should pay whatever extra cost to neuter and you keep your pet...retained testicle neutering runs more then a regular neutering. The pups should not have been sold for breeding in the first place if the testicles could not be detected at the time of the sale. As to the teeth..have them removed, a normal puppy expense for the pet owner.. PS..when the testicles remain the body cavity for months , they tend to aptophy and he would be the best stud potential anyway. These things are genetic recessive traits, so why buy another from the line who no doubt carries the genes?

12-29-2005, 01:57 PM	#29
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	[QUOTE=livingdustmops]I am having trouble with this post This is a couple who bought a dog for breeding, no contract[QUOTE] Missed that part...then again...I was just trying to keep things civil, so I wasn't paying that much attention, I guess. Last edited by BamaFan121s; 12-29-2005 at 01:59 PM.

12-29-2005, 01:39 PM	#18
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Teeth can easily be pulled, if I am not mistaken. I would suggest talking to your breeder before doing anything else, but just to make you feel better, you can see from some of the suggestions here that you do have other options, should it come to that...hopefully it won't. I don't know what your intentions for this little guy are (as far as your breeding plan, nothing negative) if you are intent on breeding or if you would be happy as a pet, so I don't know what kind of outcome you would be willing to settle for as far as how to advise you. Definately talk to your vet first, I do know sometimes it take time for the testicles to drop, maybe he just isn't a "man" yet!

12-29-2005, 01:41 PM	#19
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	If you didnt receive or sign a contract stating the health and hereditary guarantee of this baby then you have no legal right. Reputable breeders will NOT release a baby with out an adoptee/breeder agreement. Most reputable breeders that may have been remiss will still stand behind their breeding but those who puprosely sell without a contact do so because they do not want to be bothered once the pup has been placed. You would be hard pressed in any court not having a contract that protects you as a buyer in incidents such as this. If I were you I would wait a couple more months, my little man "Ransom" didnt drop totally until after 8 months. It's also my opinion you have nothing to bargin, because once again you have no written agreement.

12-29-2005, 01:53 PM	#25
sami Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 47	okay the consensus here is 1.) call the breeder and a lawyer. That seems to be pretty fair. This way you have all your bases covered. Good sound advice if you as me.