Royal teacup puppies

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

https://www.facebook.com/BanTeacupPuppyTraders <--I've been a member here for awhile.

I just joined...thanks1
this whole thing is just sick!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by caw

You used to charge people 5,000-6,000.00+ for one of your pet quality pups?? OUCH. I thought it was just the teacup breeders trying to make huge profits....good to know.

Originally Posted by caw

Concrete girl...are you talking to me?....Oh, I already knew breeders of teacups charged people huge sums of money for a pup.....I was referring to Yorkiemom1 and what sounded like her claim to having used to ask ,in the past, 5,000-6,000+ for one of her pet quality babies. (Before, I supose, the teacup breeders messed it all up for her..........that's how it sounds anyway) That's just WAAAAY. WAAAAY, WAAAAY too much.

That's how I read it and I agree. Even if I was lucky enough to get a yorkie from a show breeder, for pet quality, I would think $1200-1500 would be tops. Now that's many byb's going rate for a "standard" size baby, but that's how much the byb's game has messed up and inflated the prices. I would not pay $5000+ unless I was in the show game and only if that was gonna be a CH, even co owned I understand. But $5000+ for pet quality? no.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That's how I read it and I agree. Even if I was lucky enough to get a yorkie from a show breeder, for pet quality, I would think $1200-1500 would be tops. Now that's many byb's going rate for a "standard" size baby, but that's how much the byb's game has messed up and inflated the prices. I would not pay $5000+ unless I was in the show game and only if that was gonna be a CH, even co owned I understand. But $5000+ for pet quality? no.

Nooks you're in CA too maybe it's because I'm way up in Humboldt County but you can't really get one up here (and rarely from a show breeder) for under 3k prices average 3-5k...however I'd never get from any of the breeders within a 600 mile radius here either though.

Great posting, I think those prices are as such because people equate the price to the quality and are getting robbed by unscrupulous breeders-especially in purse puppy capital CA.

[capt_noonie]

In that perspective, I agree. If I was a nobody in the show world and wanted a "show dog" I guess that would be about the price I would guess. But realistically, the reputable show breeders have waiting lists of people that they've know for a long time. They have limited litters and even more limited people they trust.

I don't blame them.

BYB's are ruining it for everyone!

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

In that perspective, I agree. If I was a nobody in the show world and wanted a "show dog" I guess that would be about the price I would guess. But realistically, the reputable show breeders have waiting lists of people that they've know for a long time. They have limited litters and even more limited people they trust.

I don't blame them.

BYB's are ruining it for everyone!

Amen!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Isn't this the site we had a thread about last year where we decided the pix were photoshopped on top of the obvious rampant hydrocephalus? Those dogs and that site sure seems familiar. Same 4 - 5 week old dogs, huge heads with flat faces, bug eyes and no body to speak of. The dogs would walk tipping forward from those huge, heavy heads with no more body mass than those faked pictures show. I truly think some of them have been 'shop-layered with stuffed toys to enhance the toylike effect!

Horrible, tragic and pathetic greeder hard at work grinding out sad, sick little babies that probably have so many medical problems as to break the buyers' hearts and bank-balances quite soon after purchase.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Isn't this the site we had a thread about last year where we decided the pix were photoshopped on top of the obvious rampant hydrocephalus? Those dogs and that site sure seems familiar. Same 4 - 5 week old dogs, huge heads with flat faces, bug eyes and no body to speak of. The dogs would walk tipping forward from those huge, heavy heads with no more body mass than those faked pictures show. I truly think some of them have been 'shop-layered with stuffed toys to enhance the toylike effect!

Horrible, tragic and pathetic greeder hard at work grinding out sad, sick little babies that probably have so many medical problems as to break the buyers' hearts and bank-balances quite soon after purchase.

Sadly there are many like this. The one you are thinking of I called them to have an asian look. turned out they were form Korea. But there are just too many.. So sad.

And yes hydrocephalus to the max. Notice they put the "watermark" strategically over their eyes. If not this byb, then others.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Isn't this the site we had a thread about last year where we decided the pix were photoshopped on top of the obvious rampant hydrocephalus? Those dogs and that site sure seems familiar. Same 4 - 5 week old dogs, huge heads with flat faces, bug eyes and no body to speak of. The dogs would walk tipping forward from those huge, heavy heads with no more body mass than those faked pictures show. I truly think some of them have been 'shop-layered with stuffed toys to enhance the toylike effect!

Horrible, tragic and pathetic greeder hard at work grinding out sad, sick little babies that probably have so many medical problems as to break the buyers' hearts and bank-balances quite soon after purchase.

Yes, some of their pics are photoshop, there are about 10 threads on this "breeder" who is actually a broker of multiple breeders in several countries, however the pups are deformed, starved to maintain a small size etc all the horrible things we can imagine-and no, they are NOT purebred either-they are all chi mixed and bred back to "pure"...the smallest ones tht survive are the most "optimal" according them them.
The pups do seem to suffer from numerous genetic disorders which are well documented by buyers who learned the hard way.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, you are right! Same baby beds, tricked out fake cozy rooms these poor dogs probably have only seen once when all the rented or borrowed pieces were brought in for the pix and then the babies go back to their stacks of cages in some shed, hopefully with a heater in it in winter to keep the smaller dogs from dying of exposure.

Wonder how big these dogs really are when they arrive at a purchaser's home. Lots of people say these "microdogs" they purchase online really weigh in at adulthood at regular breed weight or "tiny" weight but not "micro" weight, as the pictures are taken at such very young ages and 'shopped to enhance heads and eyes, bulge the head even more than the hydro has done, shrink the bodies, and overall shrink the size of the dog. That is cold comfort though, as even a "tiny" is way too small. But I like to think that the "micro's" are largely faked and hope that is true.

Even if the "micro's" are fakes and the dogs turn out to be just "tinies", I'll bet most of that site's buyers live to regret they were so taken in and wonder how many of those dogs in those pictures ever live a rich, full, healthy, normal dog's life.

[concretegurl]

She even keeps puppies in what she calls special incubation tanks....glass reptile and fish tanks so she can claim they are uncaged...
Sadly read the stats most of these dogs live to 5the years on average.

[yorkietalkjilly]

You know those awful "failure to thrive" experiments done on lab animals to see what keeps a regular animal from growing normally - they likely employ some of those same lab techniques on those puppies to retard normal growth, such as offering sweetened milk spiked with alcohol or cheap drugs over dog food. Puppies get a buzz while getting enough nutrients to live but not thrive and grow - and they have little appetite, they sleep all the time and don't require much care that way. And they sell them as young as possible before they get sick and die.

[concretegurl]

According to their own forum they put them on a korean vitamin water, nutrical like substance, sugar water and high protein milk supplement post poning actual food basically until they go to the buyer.

Like a 8 week old pup is still on supplement milk & vitamins only.

Follow their links...

[caw]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That's how I read it and I agree. Even if I was lucky enough to get a yorkie from a show breeder, for pet quality, I would think $1200-1500 would be tops. Now that's many byb's going rate for a "standard" size baby, but that's how much the byb's game has messed up and inflated the prices. I would not pay $5000+ unless I was in the show game and only if that was gonna be a CH, even co owned I understand. But $5000+ for pet quality? no.

Yes..1,200-1,500 sounds about right for a good quality pup from a reputable breeder. People who pay 5,000-6,000.00+ couldn't be regular Joe's and Jane's living the average life. They have to have some major bucks to drop. But us regular/average folk deserve to be able to buy and have a dog to love too. Besides, an intelligent person, thats in their right mind, isn't gonna drop 5,000+ on a dog anyway....even if they DO have the money. I would never pay such an outrageous price.....most people wouldn't and shouldn't.

[caw]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That's how I read it and I agree. Even if I was lucky enough to get a yorkie from a show breeder, for pet quality, I would think $1200-1500 would be tops. Now that's many byb's going rate for a "standard" size baby, but that's how much the byb's game has messed up and inflated the prices. I would not pay $5000+ unless I was in the show game and only if that was gonna be a CH, even co owned I understand. But $5000+ for pet quality? no.

You know...if I were truly a reputable breeder, what the unscrupulous breeders were charging for their tiny, sick pups wouldn't drive my prices up. That wouldn't. have any impact on what it costs me to breed quality animals nd take care of my pups. If I'm asking 6,000+ because I can find people vulnerable enough to price gouge...then.....I would no longer be a reputable breeder. A reputable breeder will continue to do the reputable things....researching their lines, having healthy, good quality pups and selling them for a fair price. Bad breeders don't impact what great breeders have always done (and continue to do) . Bottom line...reputable breeders will never charge anywhere near 5,000+ for one of their "pet quality" dogs.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by caw

You know...if I were truly a reputable breeder, what the unscrupulous breeders were charging for their tiny, sick pups wouldn't drive my prices up. That wouldn't. have any impact on what it costs me to breed quality animals nd take care of my pups. If I'm asking 6,000+ because I can find people vulnerable enough to price gouge...then.....I would no longer be a reputable breeder. A reputable breeder will continue to do the reputable things....researching their lines, having healthy, good quality pups and selling them for a fair price. Bad breeders don't impact what great breeders have always done (and continue to do) . Bottom line...reputable breeders will never charge anywhere near 5,000+ for one of their "pet quality" dogs.

Again in agreement with you.