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concretegurl 05-22-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3926407)
Great answers Suncera - Good luck

I like my quote my brother gave me better:

"A fool never learns from their mistakes.

A smart person learns from their mistakes.

A wise person learns from the mistakes of others...

never having to make them themselves"

KendraE 05-22-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3926476)
I like my quote my brother gave me better:

"A fool never learns from their mistakes.

A smart person learns from their mistakes.

A wise person learns from the mistakes of others...

never having to make them themselves"

:thumbup:

Suncera 05-22-2012 11:12 AM

I have read the article that Mrs. Nancy posted for me, and everything you are saying is true from what I have read, I have also been contacted by this person that I take it been reading these post which I take it that they got my number off my website. OMG she says she has quality CKC dogs and that their is nothing wrong with that registry if you are honest and have your dogs DNA, tested and that everyone has their own opinion about registries. We did not stay on the phone long, because I had nothing to say or comment to her about being that all I could give her was the link that Mrs. Nancy gave me and she was not willing to except that, I don't think, I did tell her that my choice would be to follow AKC guidelines on my next Yorkie that I would get from one or both of my mentors when the time comes, and she said just don't be judgemental or discouraged about CKC registry. When we hung up all I could say is wow!!!!

Suncera 05-22-2012 11:15 AM

I like that concretegurl, that's using wisdom as well!!!

lynzy420 05-22-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3926476)
I like my quote my brother gave me better:

"A fool never learns from their mistakes.

A smart person learns from their mistakes.

A wise person learns from the mistakes of others...

never having to make them themselves"


Do you mean you like your brothers quote better than Suncera's? If not I don't know what your referring to?!!

mamaj 05-22-2012 11:51 AM

:thumbup:Way to go YT ers.

KimInMD 05-22-2012 12:19 PM

I'm glad you are here, Suncera. Yes, you are right, the Lord will guide you. In Genesis 1:26 the Lord says we are to "rule over the animals". The Hebrew translation is "Radah". Not Radah as in "dominate". God is clear about wrong radah where you only benefit the human at the expense of the animals. A perfect example of wrong radah is Ezekial 34:2-5 "Woe to the shepherds of Israel, who only take care of themselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled [radah] them harshly and brutally."
Note, God promises woe- misery and suffering to the shepherds for wrong radah. As you well know, when you hide His word in your heart, He WILL guide you. Yup, even in becoming a breeder. I smiled when I read your recent posts.

mamaj 05-22-2012 02:05 PM

Wow this breeding stuff is complicated. Glad I don`t want to be a breeder. My little girl will be spayed.

KimInMD 05-22-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mamaj (Post 3926669)
Wow this breeding stuff is complicated. Glad I don`t want to be a breeder. My little girl will be spayed.

:yelrotflm

gracielove 05-22-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3926474)
Continental Kennel Club is not respected by any breed clubs, nor does their lineage pedigrees mean squat in reality, I can produce the linage for pedigree of any of my dogs through their site, my AKC dogs from my home pc- I'm not even a breeder nor am I required to send them ANY proof of ANYTHING!- and send them money and they will create it and make it appear official when it's all a load of you know what so I wouldn't even wipe my bottom with CKC paperwork...you're better off saving your money instead of giving it them to prolong their ill financial gain in falsehoods, making a mockery of registries.

Wow. And that is legal??? A person can just make up their own their own line and then use whatever animals they have hanging around and pawn the puppies off on the public? That is sick. I thought it was bad enough the way they shuffle around AKC litter reg slips.:mad:

Suncera 05-22-2012 03:44 PM

Yes, Kim I can't do nothing without Christ, but I'm glad that I am here so that I can get on the right track, with knowledge that I get from here and the right sources I should be ok.

concretegurl 05-23-2012 12:39 AM

So at the end of yesterday and breaking of today what are you going to with the plus 10the dogs you currently have now and have previously bred?


No offense but after looming at your site do you really feel any of them are breeding quality now?

What will become of them?

This is what matters to me personally.

Suncera 05-23-2012 04:59 AM

I don't think what I just wrote posted

Suncera 05-23-2012 05:00 AM

I would have to post later have to go to a ceremony!

McheleM 05-23-2012 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3926474)
Continental Kennel Club is not respected by any breed clubs, nor does their lineage pedigrees mean squat in reality, I can produce the linage for pedigree of any of my dogs through their site, my AKC dogs from my home pc- I'm not even a breeder nor am I required to send them ANY proof of ANYTHING!- and send them money and they will create it and make it appear official when it's all a load of you know what so I wouldn't even wipe my bottom with CKC paperwork...you're better off saving your money instead of giving it them to prolong their ill financial gain in falsehoods, making a mockery of registries.

2 words about CKC.......

Coffee Table.

Suncera 05-23-2012 06:14 AM

My last post was quite lengthy and didn't post so I will make this brief. We had three mini schnauzers that I regimes to friends and family. We have had several Shih Tzu's that were rehomed to family and friends one of which we still have and spayed, she resides in our second home office. Yorkie poos, poodle, and two of the Yorkies on
My site are not mine advertising and sold for a friend, maltese is being rehomed, all of these were CKC other than Shih Tzu, CKC yorkie is possibly a present to family. Current poodle is being spayed. AKC Yorkies female looking to rehome, male yorkie keeping to breed when I'm ready, Sasha and blue ivy being spayed. Our American Bullies are my husbands show dogs in which he handles. Again he has told me that we are well off and respectful people that I need to explain our lives and business with no one, but I'm different, I care for others feelings and opinions. If you want to talk to me like Kendre did you can, my number is on my website. Also some of my last post can be read as well. Friends are always good to have. It's not right to have enemies!!!

KendraE 05-23-2012 06:44 AM

I really do believe Suncera has learned a great deal and is REALLY trying to make changes. She is open to our opinions and I believe is taking them all in and truly thinking about each and every one of them. I am very proud of her and the changes she has already made. I feel she is also going to do the very best she can for "Blue Ivy" too. So, Suncera...I'm proud of you!

chachi 05-23-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KendraE (Post 3927308)
I really do believe Suncera has learned a great deal and is REALLY trying to make changes. She is open to our opinions and I believe is taking them all in and truly thinking about each and every one of them. I am very proud of her and the changes she has already made. I feel she is also going to do the very best she can for "Blue Ivy" too. So, Suncera...I'm proud of you!

I agree!

navillusc 05-23-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Suncera (Post 3927280)
...Friends are always good to have. It's not right to have enemies!!!


:thumbup::thumbup:

Knowledge is good to possess and put to work for you. You cannot undo the past, in this case for certain, but you are not doomed to repeat it either! Congratulations on everything you have done so far to make your breeding ambitions meet the needs of the pups you hope to bring into existence. I hope everything works out well for Blue Ivy, too...it certainly sounds like you recognize that it could be a 'trying' experience caring for her. {{{Hugs}}}

concretegurl 05-23-2012 07:35 AM

I dont mean my poat offensively. I always am about the reaolution more than the problem or issue ...ans am self admittedly nosey.

Again no offense but I come from just to my perapective I have 3 dogs and 3baby kids Id love more of each but even with a lot of people on here that have manu yorkie pets I wonder how thwu have time for each of them, and let alone the cost, then again all of mine have issues requiring meds special ddiets and are spoiled.

In some ways once you post here you are opening up to being judged. So in all fairness my post was allowing for that. The last breeder in a similar situation as you just sold her dogs to other breeders to be bred...it seemed so wrong considering she knew they should become just pets and put the choice of altering or continuing to breed them on the buyers.

Thats really wonderful that both you and your husband share the passion for showing.

Teegy 05-23-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 3908584)
You have to start from the beginning. Find a breeder willing to mentor you so you can learn as much as possible about the breed standard, showing, learn pedigrees lines etc. No one repuatble is going to sell you a male and a female for you to go at it. If you are approaching breeders to just buy a couple of puppies telling them you want to show, they will turn you down flat.
IF you are lucky, you may find a breeder willing to CO own one with you usually a male. You can start there and it will give you something to show. YOu also will not be getting a 3 months old if the breeder is reputable. A puppy can be potential at 3 or 4 months but a show dog is not easily determined until at least 7 or 8 months old and then it can still go 'off'.
For showing, you have to learn grooming the show Yorkie, handlng the show yorkie in the ring if you want to show it yourself.
Many many approach show breeders, say they want to show and want to buy a puppy for that purpose to eventually breed. What has happened most of the time is puppy is raised, bred over and over, puppies sold as 'champion lines' and the dog has never seen the show rings and buyer never shows up at a dog show again if they managed to gettheir hands on a puppy.
There is not much a show breeder hasn't experienced or heard before, what catches their attention more is what you do and what you are willing to agree to in their terms for a show dog.


Sounds like some solid information, I have nothing to add but wanted to see what kind of feedback you received on this completely out of curiosity. My dogs are strictly pets for me to love and care for to the best of my ability.

Teegy 05-23-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3926044)
FYI: Breeders are NOT eligible for pet insurance on their dogs. Uless things have changed, that is what I learned when I wanted to purchase insurance for my dogs.

I didn't know this, well I wouldn't know this, what reasons do they give Yorkie1mom?

Lorraine 05-23-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 3927513)
Sounds like some solid information, I have nothing to add but wanted to see what kind of feedback you received on this completely out of curiosity. My dogs are strictly pets for me to love and care for to the best of my ability.

I haven't seen any comment especially from the OP about what is required from a reputable show breeder to ever hope to get a dog from someone on open papers to show.
The show world is worldwide. But it is also very small. Now with computers it is very easy to check out a prospective buyer wanting a show dog or a pet. It doesn't matter if the person is involved somewhere int he dog world, even showing a different breed. they will still be checked out by someone reputable before they will agree to mentor or work with someone new to the Yorkie.

Yorkiemom1 05-23-2012 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 3927526)
I didn't know this, well I wouldn't know this, what reasons do they give Yorkie1mom?

Inherant risks of the profession! Yorkies are notoriously difficult breeders, fraught with difficult whelps...nothing an insurance company wants to be responsible for.

Suncera 05-23-2012 11:34 AM

Thanks guys, blue ivy has all of my attention towards her and three insurance companies have said that they can not insure her, I guess me telling them the situation I am inow dealing with. I still have along ways to go and I am willing to do what is required. My husband says to just hire and pay a handler to show for me, and might consider when that times comes. But right now I'm going to spoil and love the pets that I have and care for Blue Ivy, time to shop for more clothes and bows. I blushed today because my Daughter graduated the 9th grade with honors and when she walked across the stage when I called her name, Bandit started to bark ass well with his werf werf little bark. So of course all attention fell on him at the end of the ceremony. They want him to come back for tonight's pep rally. So headed to find school colors for him.

Suncera 05-23-2012 12:16 PM

Thanks guys, blue ivy has all of my attention towards her and three insurance companies have said that they can not insure her, I guess me telling them the situation I am inow dealing with. I still have along ways to go and I am willing to do what is required. My husband says to just hire and pay a handler to show for me, and might consider when that times comes. But right now I'm going to spoil and love the pets that I have and care for Blue Ivy, time to shop for more clothes and bows. I blushed today because my Daughter graduated the 9th grade with honors and when she walked across the stage when I called her name, Bandit started to bark ass well with his werf werf little bark. So of course all attention fell on him at the end of the ceremony. They want him to come back for tonight's pep rally. So headed to find school colors for him.

Suncera 05-23-2012 12:30 PM

The handlers we know and the two mentors that I know, know that I am not ready educationally, financially yes, grooming almost, but they feel I need more and have a good ways to go. I've had offers of buying as a pet and even co. But I myself have a lot more to learn, oh how I won't to jump right in, but know it doesn't work like that. Every day I learn something different. Everyone tells me to just go in with your husband and show your American bullies, but I feel that's manly stuff, it's a bunch of men, some women and half naked girls that be at the shows, I still enjoy all the beautiful bullies, but not for me. I can and will be patient.

concretegurl 05-23-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Suncera (Post 3927757)
The handlers we know and the two mentors that I know, know that I am not ready educationally, financially yes, grooming almost, but they feel I need more and have a good ways to go. I've had offers of buying as a pet and even co. But I myself have a lot more to learn, oh how I won't to jump right in, but know it doesn't work like that. Every day I learn something different. Everyone tells me to just go in with your husband and show your American bullies, but I feel that's manly stuff, it's a bunch of men, some women and half naked girls that be at the shows, I still enjoy all the beautiful bullies, but not for me. I can and will be patient.

There isn't one reputable show I've ever seen with a half naked female unless she was a bitch-literally.

What shows is he participating in-I have a friend who was once very involved with the showing of bully dogs until he turned his efforts into rehabbing and specific training for pit due to the negative image they have-and over breeding.

Maybe we are somewhat connected through that circle?

Suncera 05-23-2012 02:27 PM

The naked is a figure of speech, they are models very pretty girls that models with the dogs. The are American Stafford Terriers, which the call is American bullies. So no they aren't literally naked, very professional group of ladies and sponsors.

Shelby Jewell 05-23-2012 02:39 PM

I looked at your site and you have BEAUTIFUL dogs :)


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