Where to order vaccines

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

This is alarming to me, as I said in another post on another thread somewhere there are a few schools of thought in this forum, of course there are those who will be on the same threads, we all belong here. We all have differences in our opinions and experiences and knowledge, there is nothing wrong in stating it.

What is alarming to me is there does seem to be a group who doesn't like it when they are questioned or when someone differs in their opinion.

Suddenly the bash word and gang word etc. , comes in to play...where in the world does this come from?

I know none of you in real life (i don't think) but my opinion won't change, my priority is the pups and I will forever advocate for them and if you don't like the school of thought I have, well thats just not something I can worry about...I will defend my statements, I will admit when I am wrong, I will share my knowledge and I will state my opinion. I will also tell you when I think your wrong, especially when I have said experience, or when its blatant. Everyone has a right to their own school of thought.

I stand by my statement, I think it is unethical that you use RN on your breeding program site, its could be misleading to some. I also don't like that you have a layaway plan for pups, am I wrong for feeling this way? I also don't like that you have a price plan, what would I get for my offer of $300 or my offer of $3000, quite frankly your the type of breeder I want to expose, am I wrong for feeling this way? Its my opinion, and I do believe I have a right to it.

I am offended by your statement. In fact; I am outraged by it, but its my opinion and my feeling and I will deal with it.

Sadly, this afternoon I received a pm from someone asking me if I was invited to join a gang on here, I'm shocked to think anyone would really do this, I am not upset at said pm'er I am upset that I think she felt this way because she did not like my school of thought....this is not right or perhaps she was her self pm'ed, I didn't know if I was being warned or informed or just an honest concern.

I am not a follower, and as I said to the pm'er, they don't call little old me Big Bertha for nothing.

Apparently I am being judged by "keeping company" with those in my school of thought (I went back and looked over alot of my threads) the funny thing all the same people are in my threads WHY because we have different schools of thought...eiyieyieyie, I don't know if this makes any sense. But I'm putting it out there.

This happens all the time on this forum. You have an opinion and BOOM your a bully. Get's old really quick.

Personally, I agree with your posts and your advocacy for the animals. I do not tolerate well those that cry like babies when they are questioned.

I can only imaging who might have PMed you and I find this a little concerning. But then again there seems to be a lot of behind the scenes action going on. Whatever, I could care less what one "crowd" thinks of me. I'm my own person and I stand behind what I believe. If others decide to stand with me it makes it all the better. That's not bullying as some like to cry but a common bond for something you feel strongly about.

I'm done and will not post to this thread any longer. Peace out!

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I've really enjoyed reading many of your posts and I think you have a lot to offer members of YorkieTalk. I'm very sorry for the way you have been attacked for the smallest of things. It's really shameful. We have lost so many good breeders and other members because of this type of ganging up behavior. While I understand that we all have different opinions on what's the best way to do things, I'm really sadden that there no longer seems to be respect for those who think differently then we do. I hope you continue to answer people questions, I think your posts were some of the most helpful. The bad thing is if you ever disagree with certain members, they'll never let it go. Welcome to Yorkietalk!

DITTO!

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Micah my love

I believe that you both are two of the kindest ladies here and i appreciate the knowledge that you share here

Thank you! You are too kind!

[kjc]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I absolutely think owners should discuss all aspects of their pets' health with their veterinarians, but my point was that I do not think that owners should have to discuss core annual vaccines with vets because those vets should not be doing core annual vaccines IMO. You didn't bump it up for any other reason other than to try to show a prior inconsistent statement, and there is no inconsistency. I don't discuss annual vaccines with my vet because we follow AAHA recommendations for core vaccination only.

This is all well and good. In many of the 'new owner Just went to the vet and got my puppy shots' threads, there is never any mention of 'core vaccines' being discussed with the vet, and many puppies get more than one vaccine at each vet appointment. This is what concerns me and has my passion, hence my decision to post about it. Owners need to have a good understanding of what vaccines their pups need, as many vets do not provide this info, they just give the vaccines and send the owners and pups home. Not all vets follow the AAHA recommendations, so the owners need to educate themselves, and choose their vet accordingly.

[lynzy420]

Do these things exist in the only the U.S.?

[kjc]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Do these things exist in the only the U.S.?

What things?

[concretegurl]

Kjc,

"Quite a few breeders are trained by their vets to perform these procedures. These are minor procedures compared to whelping the pups at home.... Vets offices have many dogs and cats coming in on a daily basis, many of which are sick. To bring unvaccinated puppies into this environment is always a risk, as viruses are airborne and can infect even if the vet's office is clean and immaculate. Even when the puppies are carried in, there is still a risk that the breeder could bring home something infectious on their clothes or shoes. Not only do they save money doing this.... they may also be saving the lives of their puppies."

Thanks for your points. I like your informativeness here. I really do appreciate it. I totally get the pups exposure that's why I said I'd hope they'd find a vet who'd come to them to do vacs etc in a proper environment-like a sterilized area.


I really get why many breeders would do a lot of 'vet' type care themselves-many breeders are in fact breed experts "out knowledge" many vets about their specific breeds, again it's just my humble opinion, a breed would leave vacs, dew claws and tail docking (ear cropping where and when necessicary) to a vet, I'm sure there are many qualified reputable breeders-unfortunately there are too many unqualified greeders out there with sewing sheers and pliers...once the door is open without regulation it cannot be closed.

This is a major reason it was made illegal throughout most of Europe, at first it was to be done by vets only to control the procedure making it medical and not cruelty-I feel Europeans went a bit overboard. I do personally see the reasoning for tail docking, dew claw removal and ear cropping...sorry getting O.T. here, 'whole 'nother' can of worms'.

I'd also like to pint out should there be an issue with a vaccine (anyone can buy them and administer) however, I was under the impression should a vaccine cause reaction etc the drug company will not be held liable unless it was administered by a lic. vet-anyone know otherwise-it's from what I've read online before I replied to this thread.

Again everything here is just my personal opinion (no reflection on anyone I know or am assumed to know) and of course my opinion is always subject to change based on new information or understanding.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by kjc

At the very bottom of the Health Certificate that you linked to, there is a place for the owner to sign... therefore she is not "practicing Veterinary Medicine without a license" when she states that she signs her puppies' Health Certificates.

ok, I see this but what you fail to see is that a health Cert must be signed by and obtained from a Vet. I have flown many miles within the US and Internationally with my Yorkies my last one was from Italy....and have always had to obtain a health Cert from a vet...then once I reach my destination they have me sign in front of them the owner section.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm confused about all this talk about telling your vet what to do? As a pet owner, I told my vet I did not want yearly booster shots, I preferred to get titers. I also told him I didn't want the lepo shot on the advice of my breeder. Since when are giving shots some medical procedure? Diabetics give shots and little training is needed. Certainly an RN is qualified to give a shot and understand the dosage recommendations and need for quality control. All these things are legal as well. The only reason the rabies shot can’t be given by anyone other than a vet is because any time some disease effects the human population, special precautions have to be made to insure it’s done properly. Again, not saying that most breeders should give shots, but this wouldn’t affect my judgment on the breeder’s qualification as a good breeder one way or the other.

You say you prefer titers.... I don't think you can do that yourself can you? So if you can't do your own titers then how do you know when to vaccinate when its needed? Also when did YTCA start allowing people who breed/sell parti carriers to be on the Breeder referral list? You have that link in your sig line. Just wondering???

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

You say you prefer titers.... I don't think you can do that yourself can you? So if you can't do your own titers then how do you know when to vaccinate when its needed? Also when did YTCA start allowing people who breed/sell parti carriers to be on the Breeder referral list? You have that link in your sig line. Just wondering???

I didn't mean I prefer titers, over the shots if shots were needed. I said Joey got them last time instead of getting a shot. My vet thinks each case should be decided individually, and he knows we live by a lake and have many dog paths around our property. However, even titers, don’t give the full story. I wish I could be as certain as so many of you that a dog doesn’t ever need a shot again. When I was talking about inoculations, I was only talking about the puppy shots that the dog gets the first few months. Joey’s breeder gave the shots and I believe her to be very capable, my vet did accept her shots and recorded the dates and times on Joeys record. This does not mean, that I think most breeders should give shots, I don’t even think most breeders should breed.

I have no connection with the YTCA, I did learn about it on Yorkietalk and found my breeder through them. I think many good breeders belong to the mother club, and since I firmly believe that a person should visit a breeders home in person, this allows many people to find a reputable breeder who is within driving distance. So that's why it's in my signature, just to give others more options when choosing a pup. There are lots of other good breeders who are not members though, and probably some poor ones who are members. Again, it's not as black and white as some would think, but what is? Regarding your question about allowing people who breed/sell parti carriers, I seriously have no idea what you mean.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

You say you prefer titers.... I don't think you can do that yourself can you? So if you can't do your own titers then how do you know when to vaccinate when its needed? Also when did YTCA start allowing people who breed/sell parti carriers to be on the Breeder referral list? You have that link in your sig line. Just wondering???

Biting my own tongue.

I think it's an "oops" one dog with an "issue" is allowed just not that sort of breeding is allowed.

I wonder if at some point they will have breed club rules about testing for these genes prior to breeding-within the YTCA in attempts to fully exclude partis-I know it is encouraged breeders do this but not required. (my understanding is just based on my own readings)

I read that YTCA breeders do sometimes find they have a parti carrier, and they of course have AKC registered dogs, however they will not allow a parti in the ring...I'd assume (perhaps safety) they are acknowledging existence but not the quality of for show.

Like the idea is to breed them out or cull the herd two carriers should not be bread together but breeding a carrier to a non-carrier producing YTCA standard dogs is okay.

Again sorry to post off topic on this thread but that's my understanding of this.

To the OP,

I hope my posts haven't made you feel attacked. I always just post my opinions and perspectives on each thread I reply to here. I hope you take each opinion as food for thought in whatever choices made.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Biting my own tongue.

I think it's an "oops" one dog with an "issue" is allowed just not that sort of breeding is allowed.

I wonder if at some point they will have breed club rules about testing for these genes prior to breeding-within the YTCA in attempts to fully exclude partis-I know it is encouraged breeders do this but not required. (my understanding is just based on my own readings)

I read that YTCA breeders do sometimes find they have a parti carrier, and they of course have AKC registered dogs, however they will not allow a parti in the ring...I'd assume (perhaps safety) they are acknowledging existence but not the quality of for show.

Like the idea is to breed them out or cull the herd two carriers should not be bread together but breeding a carrier to a non-carrier producing YTCA standard dogs is okay.

Again sorry to post off topic on this thread but that's my understanding of this.

To the OP,

I hope my posts haven't made you feel attacked. I always just post my opinions and perspectives on each thread I reply to here. I hope you take each opinion as food for thought in whatever choices made.

Yes, good catch, I wasn't thinking, I believe the YTCA stance is that you don't purposefully breed a Parti and offspring should be placed in a pet home. Last I heard, there was no marker, but that sure would help end some of problems. I have heard of some YTCA breeders who are breeding the Biewer, for they consider this a separate, but closely related dog, and from my knowledge they aren’t breeding them back to Yorkies.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I didn't mean I prefer titers, over the shots if shots were needed. I said Joey got them last time instead of getting a shot. My vet thinks each case should be decided individually, and he knows we live by a lake and have many dog paths around our property. However, even titers, don’t give the full story. I wish I could be as certain as so many of you that a dog doesn’t ever need a shot again. When I was talking about inoculations, I was only talking about the puppy shots that the dog gets the first few months. Joey’s breeder gave the shots and I believe her to be very capable, my vet did accept her shots and recorded the dates and times on Joeys record. This does not mean, that I think most breeders should give shots, I don’t even think most breeders should breed.

I have no connection with the YTCA, I did learn about it on Yorkietalk and found my breeder through them. I think many good breeders belong to the mother club, and since I firmly believe that a person should visit a breeders home in person, this allows many people to find a reputable breeder who is within driving distance. So that's why it's in my signature, just to give others more options when choosing a pup. There are lots of other good breeders who are not members though, and probably some poor ones who are members. Again, it's not as black and white as some would think, but what is? Regarding your question about allowing people who breed/sell parti carriers, I seriously have no idea what you mean.

My definition of a Parti.....JMO
Just another version of a "Designer Yorkie" Bred for no reason other than to dupe the unsuspecting public into spending ridiculous amounts of money on a Yorkie that they can't even show or register. It is not a color that is recognized under the Yorkie standard. Kind of like in the category of a "Tea cup" or Chocolate Yorkie.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

My definition of a Parti.....JMO
Just another version of a "Designer Yorkie" Bred for no reason other than to dupe the unsuspecting public into spending ridiculous amounts of money on a Yorkie that they can't even show or register. It is not a color that is recognized under the Yorkie standard. Kind of like in the category of a "Tea cup" or Chocolate Yorkie.

AKC has accepted Partis for registration as of last year.

[xxmxaxrxyxx]

Originally Posted by Yorkiexpress

My definition of a Parti.....JMO
Just another version of a "Designer Yorkie" Bred for no reason other than to dupe the unsuspecting public into spending ridiculous amounts of money on a Yorkie that they can't even show or register. It is not a color that is recognized under the Yorkie standard. Kind of like in the category of a "Tea cup" or Chocolate Yorkie.

i believe Parti color yorkies can be registered it is now an option on the AKC registration form for the puppy. they just can't be shown because the parti color is deem as a color fault which would disqualify them in the show ring.