Where to order vaccines

[107barney]

Originally Posted by kjc

03-29-2011, 03:05 PM #160 107barney
Donating YT 500 Club Member


Update on Barney and Leptospirosis
Someone asked about Lepto today in diet and health so I thought I'd update my thread.

Barney was treated with doxycycline for two weeks for the leptospirosis infection. My vet and I discussed giving the vaccine and decided against it. She was playing phone tag with the laboratory and the specialist to obtain more information because she just had a hard time believing he had the infection and that his positive result was more likely due to a prior vaccine. ...

... I think their individual lifestyles do not support the vaccine and I am going to go with the recommendation of my regular vet over the specialist on this. I hope I don't make a mistake, but if I do, then it is certainly not because I did not give this a whole bunch of time and consideration and that is what I believe to be in my dogs' best interest at the end of the day.

I hope this thread helps others. Thank you all for your support.
__________________

Cathy & Barney Daisy and Teddy
T. BUMPKINS & CO. Washable Doggie Pee Pads & More Enter YTSAVE20 for 20% off
Custom pajamas/nighties & clothing upon request

There is nothing to be confused about. My post said I feel sorry for people who have to discuss annual vaccines with their vets. My vet follows AAHA standards and does not do annual vaccines. My post had nothing to do with the leptospirosis vaccination, or with Barney's case.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kjc

03-29-2011, 03:05 PM #160 107barney
Donating YT 500 Club Member


Update on Barney and Leptospirosis
Someone asked about Lepto today in diet and health so I thought I'd update my thread.

Barney was treated with doxycycline for two weeks for the leptospirosis infection. My vet and I discussed giving the vaccine and decided against it. She was playing phone tag with the laboratory and the specialist to obtain more information because she just had a hard time believing he had the infection and that his positive result was more likely due to a prior vaccine. ...

... I think their individual lifestyles do not support the vaccine and I am going to go with the recommendation of my regular vet over the specialist on this. I hope I don't make a mistake, but if I do, then it is certainly not because I did not give this a whole bunch of time and consideration and that is what I believe to be in my dogs' best interest at the end of the day.

I hope this thread helps others. Thank you all for your support.
__________________

Cathy & Barney Daisy and Teddy
T. BUMPKINS & CO. Washable Doggie Pee Pads & More Enter YTSAVE20 for 20% off
Custom pajamas/nighties & clothing upon request

What is your point? Why are you posting threads from OTHER areas of the board here? I can work the search button too

[107barney]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

What is your point? Why are you posting threads from OTHER areas of the board here? I can work the search button too

Not just bumping up other threads, but using threads I posted A YEAR AGO about my sick dog who had a possible exposure to a deadly disease to try to take my posts out of context for some unknown agenda.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Not just bumping up other threads, but using threads I posted A YEAR AGO about my sick dog who had a possible exposure to a deadly disease to try to take my posts out of context for some unknown agenda.

She has been following me around too. Here's an example that she admitted to me in a PM was her way of making fun of me.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3862065-post104.html

and what's this???? Taken from another thread too

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3865965-post18.html

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by kjc

Very good practice...



I think the Rabies vaccine is the only one required by law in the USA.




Rabies is required and can only be given by a vet in the USA because of it's zoonotic properties (infectious to humans). Giving the Rabies vaccine is no different than giving other vaccines, but care must be taken to not inject oneself or get stuck by the needle, and proper disposal/destruction of the needle, syringe, and vaccine container must be done as these also are a route of infection.



There are no 'specialty' singles for small dogs. All vaccines made for dogs are strong enough to vaccinate a dog weighing up to 100 pounds. This is where the problem of 'overvaccinate' originates, and why Dr Dodds recommends only one vaccine per vet visit and one month between vaccines for dogs.



Good breeders work closely with their own vets. My vet has a 'Breeder call List' to inform those who breed of any changes in practices, meds and/or recalls.



Quite a few breeders are trained by their vets to perform these procedures. These are minor procedures compared to whelping the pups at home.... Vets offices have many dogs and cats coming in on a daily basis, many of which are sick. To bring unvaccinated puppies into this environment is always a risk, as viruses are airborne and can infect even if the vet's office is clean and immaculate. Even when the puppies are carried in, there is still a risk that the breeder could bring home something infectious on their clothes or shoes. Not only do they save money doing this.... they may also be saving the lives of their puppies.



IMHO, it is a big lump.

All human medicine and more is tested on Horseshoecrab blood before it ever goes into production.

Horseshoe Crabs - The Useful Horseshoe Crab

The Veterinary Profession is always looking to human medicine/procedures to find ways to better treat our pets.

The Vet ER I worked at 20 years ago had all kinds of equipment donated from local hospitals, from infant incubators for small critical patients, to EKG machines and Pulse Oximeters, Endoscopes, IV supplies and pumps, etc., which now is fairly commonplace (or should be) at many vet practices/clinics.

Stem Cell therapy is becoming an available treatment for our pets also. Funny though as it was first tested on animals before being used in human medicine, and now it's coming back to be utilized in the Vet Med field.

9/11 Search and Rescue Dog Receives Stem Cell Therapy at Va. Clinic

Burke Vet Performs Stem Cell Therapy on Dogs with Hip, Knee Problems - Burke, VA Patch


To 'draw a line' between human and animal medicine would be severely limiting to both fields.

Also, when I worked at the human hospital, I remember hearing countless stories of nurses intervening in patients treatment, usually involved an error in medication or amounts in the charts.... takes a sharp nurse to catch and verify those kinds of errors.

Thank you for stepping into what appears to have taken on a complete blood bath and feeding frenzy against me. I appreciate your points, well made-point by point, as they are, of course, true, but a select few of these people on this site attack, condem, judge, and convict people that have done absolutely NOTHING wrong. Then, to crucify me and my breeding program, and even my site because I sign my name with my RN.....OMG.....I had joined this site years ago, and all the petty bickering and unfounded attacks I witnessed, conducted by members who seem to "travel in packs" and relentlessly attack and try to destroy other members, so appalled me, I chose not to associate with this venue. When we were in high school, some of the "mean girls" had spiral notebooks, called appropriately, "B--ch Books", where they all got together and tore into individuals they detested for WHATEVER reason they could dream up. This is exactly what this forum reminds me of.....these people do not know me, they do not know what kind of nurse I am, they do not know my reputation, they have never bought a puppy of mine, they have never done any business with me, or they would realize they could NEVER justify their attacks against me. They have accused me of everything from overstepping my place as an RN (I have always been a patient advocate and have routinely intervened on my patient's behalf) to practicing vet medicine, to deliberately using my RN as a shameless sales ploy on my website. This is really grabbing at straws in order to tear someone apart, all based on nothing but their conjecture. I hope all the new people out there that are reading these posts, can see this visciousness being spewed by what closely resembles a pack of ravenous wolves, going frantically after blood. They gang up, pile on, and begin to rip and tear apart. Such a shame, because there really are sincere, caring, honest people out here that are educated and knowledgable in a number of different areas, that can offer so much valuable information to people seeking answers and help, with not only their pets, but their medical issues with loved ones too. And all such knowledge and information, is shared NOT with the intent to sell dogs, or blackball vets, or out practice vets, or challenge doctors, or impress anyone by boasting, but simply to answer questions and offer help and solutions. What a shame to attack and try to discredit members just because you dont agree with what they have said. Again, thank you for explaning points that I could never have defended on my own, as these people have become hell bent on criticizing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I say.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Nancy, I think that you missed what I was pointing out in my original post. So I will clarify further my observation and why I still hold the same opinion.

Below is the part of the original post that I took issue with and it was not regarding an RN giving vaccines. My issue is with the bold RED sentence.



Anyone can go to the local tractor supply and pick up a variety of vaccines to be used on their domesticated pets. But the part that is overstepping her scope as a nurse and that I take issue with is the part in RED. A vaccination record and a Veterinary Health Certificate are two totally different things. The VHC is to be signed by a Licensed Veterinarian and certified the HEALTH of a puppy.

Here is a link so that you can see what I am referring:

Health Certificate for US Pet Travel

Why is a CICU nurse stepping into the scope of practicing Veterinary Medicine. I don't care how well regarded you are on the floor of the CICU it's still practicing Veterinary Medicine without a license.

I am also taken aback by her website, where she once again uses her RN signature to promote the sale of her puppies. What does this have to do with breeding? It's a marketing ploy as far as I am concerned.

RoseHillYorkies

Judy Wright, RN
Owner of RoseHill Yorkies
Houston, Texas

At the very bottom of the Health Certificate that you linked to, there is a place for the owner to sign... therefore she is not "practicing Veterinary Medicine without a license" when she states that she signs her puppies' Health Certificates.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by 107barney

There is nothing to be confused about. My post said I feel sorry for people who have to discuss annual vaccines with their vets. My vet follows AAHA standards and does not do annual vaccines. My post had nothing to do with the leptospirosis vaccination, or with Barney's case.

See the highlighted part in your quote (in my earlier post). I was just verifying that you do (or did) discuss annual vaccines with your vet, as Lepto is an annual vaccine.

I only commented because your post may make owners feel like they shouldn't discuss vaccines with their vets, period, and I don't think that's a good thing.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kjc

At the very bottom of the Health Certificate that you linked to, there is a place for the owner to sign... therefore she is not "practicing Veterinary Medicine without a license" when she states that she signs her puppies' Health Certificates.

http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/cvi/Publ...hange-2011.pdf

[xxmxaxrxyxx]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Thank you for stepping into what appears to have taken on a complete blood bath and feeding frenzy against me. I appreciate your points, well made-point by point, as they are, of course, true, but a select few of these people on this site attack, condem, judge, and convict people that have done absolutely NOTHING wrong. Then, to crucify me and my breeding program, and even my site because I sign my name with my RN.....OMG.....I had joined this site years ago, and all the petty bickering and unfounded attacks I witnessed, conducted by members who seem to "travel in packs" and relentlessly attack and try to destroy other members, so appalled me, I chose not to associate with this venue. When we were in high school, some of the "mean girls" had spiral notebooks, called appropriately, "B--ch Books", where they all got together and tore into individuals they detested for WHATEVER reason they could dream up. This is exactly what this forum reminds me of.....these people do not know me, they do not know what kind of nurse I am, they do not know my reputation, they have never bought a puppy of mine, they have never done any business with me, or they would realize they could NEVER justify their attacks against me. They have accused me of everything from overstepping my place as an RN (I have always been a patient advocate and have routinely intervened on my patient's behalf) to practicing vet medicine, to deliberately using my RN as a shameless sales ploy on my website. This is really grabbing at straws in order to tear someone apart, all based on nothing but their conjecture. I hope all the new people out there that are reading these posts, can see this visciousness being spewed by what closely resembles a pack of ravenous wolves, going frantically after blood. They gang up, pile on, and begin to rip and tear apart. Such a shame, because there really are sincere, caring, honest people out here that are educated and knowledgable in a number of different areas, that can offer so much valuable information to people seeking answers and help, with not only their pets, but their medical issues with loved ones too. And all such knowledge and information, is shared NOT with the intent to sell dogs, or blackball vets, or out practice vets, or challenge doctors, or impress anyone by boasting, but simply to answer questions and offer help and solutions. What a shame to attack and try to discredit members just because you dont agree with what they have said. Again, thank you for explaning points that I could never have defended on my own, as these people have become hell bent on criticizing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I say.

:thum bup:: thumbup:

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Thank you for stepping into what appears to have taken on a complete blood bath and feeding frenzy against me. I appreciate your points, well made-point by point, as they are, of course, true, but a select few of these people on this site attack, condem, judge, and convict people that have done absolutely NOTHING wrong. Then, to crucify me and my breeding program, and even my site because I sign my name with my RN.....OMG.....I had joined this site years ago, and all the petty bickering and unfounded attacks I witnessed, conducted by members who seem to "travel in packs" and relentlessly attack and try to destroy other members, so appalled me, I chose not to associate with this venue. When we were in high school, some of the "mean girls" had spiral notebooks, called appropriately, "B--ch Books", where they all got together and tore into individuals they detested for WHATEVER reason they could dream up. This is exactly what this forum reminds me of.....these people do not know me, they do not know what kind of nurse I am, they do not know my reputation, they have never bought a puppy of mine, they have never done any business with me, or they would realize they could NEVER justify their attacks against me. They have accused me of everything from overstepping my place as an RN (I have always been a patient advocate and have routinely intervened on my patient's behalf) to practicing vet medicine, to deliberately using my RN as a shameless sales ploy on my website. This is really grabbing at straws in order to tear someone apart, all based on nothing but their conjecture. I hope all the new people out there that are reading these posts, can see this visciousness being spewed by what closely resembles a pack of ravenous wolves, going frantically after blood. They gang up, pile on, and begin to rip and tear apart. Such a shame, because there really are sincere, caring, honest people out here that are educated and knowledgable in a number of different areas, that can offer so much valuable information to people seeking answers and help, with not only their pets, but their medical issues with loved ones too. And all such knowledge and information, is shared NOT with the intent to sell dogs, or blackball vets, or out practice vets, or challenge doctors, or impress anyone by boasting, but simply to answer questions and offer help and solutions. What a shame to attack and try to discredit members just because you dont agree with what they have said. Again, thank you for explaning points that I could never have defended on my own, as these people have become hell bent on criticizing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I say.

Originally Posted by kjc

See the highlighted part in your quote (in my earlier post). I was just verifying that you do (or did) discuss annual vaccines with your vet, as Lepto is an annual vaccine.

I only commented because your post may make owners feel like they shouldn't discuss vaccines with their vets, period, and I don't think that's a good thing.

I believe that you both are two of the kindest ladies here and i appreciate the knowledge that you share here

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Thank you for stepping into what appears to have taken on a complete blood bath and feeding frenzy against me. I appreciate your points, well made-point by point, as they are, of course, true, but a select few of these people on this site attack, condem, judge, and convict people that have done absolutely NOTHING wrong. Then, to crucify me and my breeding program, and even my site because I sign my name with my RN.....OMG.....I had joined this site years ago, and all the petty bickering and unfounded attacks I witnessed, conducted by members who seem to "travel in packs" and relentlessly attack and try to destroy other members, so appalled me, I chose not to associate with this venue. When we were in high school, some of the "mean girls" had spiral notebooks, called appropriately, "B--ch Books", where they all got together and tore into individuals they detested for WHATEVER reason they could dream up. This is exactly what this forum reminds me of.....these people do not know me, they do not know what kind of nurse I am, they do not know my reputation, they have never bought a puppy of mine, they have never done any business with me, or they would realize they could NEVER justify their attacks against me. They have accused me of everything from overstepping my place as an RN (I have always been a patient advocate and have routinely intervened on my patient's behalf) to practicing vet medicine, to deliberately using my RN as a shameless sales ploy on my website. This is really grabbing at straws in order to tear someone apart, all based on nothing but their conjecture. I hope all the new people out there that are reading these posts, can see this visciousness being spewed by what closely resembles a pack of ravenous wolves, going frantically after blood. They gang up, pile on, and begin to rip and tear apart. Such a shame, because there really are sincere, caring, honest people out here that are educated and knowledgable in a number of different areas, that can offer so much valuable information to people seeking answers and help, with not only their pets, but their medical issues with loved ones too. And all such knowledge and information, is shared NOT with the intent to sell dogs, or blackball vets, or out practice vets, or challenge doctors, or impress anyone by boasting, but simply to answer questions and offer help and solutions. What a shame to attack and try to discredit members just because you dont agree with what they have said. Again, thank you for explaning points that I could never have defended on my own, as these people have become hell bent on criticizing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I say.

This is alarming to me, as I said in another post on another thread somewhere there are a few schools of thought in this forum, of course there are those who will be on the same threads, we all belong here. We all have differences in our opinions and experiences and knowledge, there is nothing wrong in stating it.

What is alarming to me is there does seem to be a group who doesn't like it when they are questioned or when someone differs in their opinion.

Suddenly the bash word and gang word etc. , comes in to play...where in the world does this come from?

I know none of you in real life (i don't think) but my opinion won't change, my priority is the pups and I will forever advocate for them and if you don't like the school of thought I have, well thats just not something I can worry about...I will defend my statements, I will admit when I am wrong, I will share my knowledge and I will state my opinion. I will also tell you when I think your wrong, especially when I have said experience, or when its blatant. Everyone has a right to their own school of thought.

I stand by my statement, I think it is unethical that you use RN on your breeding program site, its could be misleading to some. I also don't like that you have a layaway plan for pups, am I wrong for feeling this way? I also don't like that you have a price plan, what would I get for my offer of $300 or my offer of $3000, quite frankly your the type of breeder I want to expose, am I wrong for feeling this way? Its my opinion, and I do believe I have a right to it.

I am offended by your statement. In fact; I am outraged by it, but its my opinion and my feeling and I will deal with it.

Sadly, this afternoon I received a pm from someone asking me if I was invited to join a gang on here, I'm shocked to think anyone would really do this, I am not upset at said pm'er I am upset that I think she felt this way because she did not like my school of thought....this is not right or perhaps she was her self pm'ed, I didn't know if I was being warned or informed or just an honest concern.

I am not a follower, and as I said to the pm'er, they don't call little old me Big Bertha for nothing.

Apparently I am being judged by "keeping company" with those in my school of thought (I went back and looked over alot of my threads) the funny thing all the same people are in my threads WHY because we have different schools of thought...eiyieyieyie, I don't know if this makes any sense. But I'm putting it out there.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

She has been following me around too. Here's an example that she admitted to me in a PM was her way of making fun of me.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3862065-post104.html

and what's this???? Taken from another thread too

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3865965-post18.html

Really? This is what I said in the PM and I quote:


"No, not following you, just randomly posting on threads that interest me...

The 'seizure' thing sounded like the pup had already been diagnosed.... That's all that was about...

'I win' was about trying to lighten the mood a bit, sorry if I offended you.... and, yes, I've been following that thread....

You are welcome to post on any thread your heart desires, as am I. I realize we don't agree alot, so we'll just have to agree to disagree."

[107barney]

Originally Posted by kjc

See the highlighted part in your quote (in my earlier post). I was just verifying that you do (or did) discuss annual vaccines with your vet, as Lepto is an annual vaccine.

I only commented because your post may make owners feel like they shouldn't discuss vaccines with their vets, period, and I don't think that's a good thing.

I absolutely think owners should discuss all aspects of their pets' health with their veterinarians, but my point was that I do not think that owners should have to discuss core annual vaccines with vets because those vets should not be doing core annual vaccines IMO. You didn't bump it up for any other reason other than to try to show a prior inconsistent statement, and there is no inconsistency. I don't discuss annual vaccines with my vet because we follow AAHA recommendations for core vaccination only.

[lynzy420]

KJC,
You are welcome to post on any thread your heart desires, as am I. I realize we don't agree alot, so we'll just have to agree to disagree."


EXACTLY THIS, but why does this translate into anything other than what it is?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Thank you for stepping into what appears to have taken on a complete blood bath and feeding frenzy against me. I appreciate your points, well made-point by point, as they are, of course, true, but a select few of these people on this site attack, condem, judge, and convict people that have done absolutely NOTHING wrong. Then, to crucify me and my breeding program, and even my site because I sign my name with my RN.....OMG.....I had joined this site years ago, and all the petty bickering and unfounded attacks I witnessed, conducted by members who seem to "travel in packs" and relentlessly attack and try to destroy other members, so appalled me, I chose not to associate with this venue. When we were in high school, some of the "mean girls" had spiral notebooks, called appropriately, "B--ch Books", where they all got together and tore into individuals they detested for WHATEVER reason they could dream up. This is exactly what this forum reminds me of.....these people do not know me, they do not know what kind of nurse I am, they do not know my reputation, they have never bought a puppy of mine, they have never done any business with me, or they would realize they could NEVER justify their attacks against me. They have accused me of everything from overstepping my place as an RN (I have always been a patient advocate and have routinely intervened on my patient's behalf) to practicing vet medicine, to deliberately using my RN as a shameless sales ploy on my website. This is really grabbing at straws in order to tear someone apart, all based on nothing but their conjecture. I hope all the new people out there that are reading these posts, can see this visciousness being spewed by what closely resembles a pack of ravenous wolves, going frantically after blood. They gang up, pile on, and begin to rip and tear apart. Such a shame, because there really are sincere, caring, honest people out here that are educated and knowledgable in a number of different areas, that can offer so much valuable information to people seeking answers and help, with not only their pets, but their medical issues with loved ones too. And all such knowledge and information, is shared NOT with the intent to sell dogs, or blackball vets, or out practice vets, or challenge doctors, or impress anyone by boasting, but simply to answer questions and offer help and solutions. What a shame to attack and try to discredit members just because you dont agree with what they have said. Again, thank you for explaning points that I could never have defended on my own, as these people have become hell bent on criticizing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I say.

I've really enjoyed reading many of your posts and I think you have a lot to offer members of YorkieTalk. I'm very sorry for the way you have been attacked for the smallest of things. It's really shameful. We have lost so many good breeders and other members because of this type of ganging up behavior. While I understand that we all have different opinions on what's the best way to do things, I'm really sadden that there no longer seems to be respect for those who think differently then we do. I hope you continue to answer people questions, I think your posts were some of the most helpful. The bad thing is if you ever disagree with certain members, they'll never let it go. Welcome to Yorkietalk!