How do I convince someone not to breed their dog? - Page 5 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-12-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

What's with all the

faces? Anyway, I still stand by what I said. Low-cost spay/neuter clinics do not hire people off the street - they do bloodwork and they also give FREE pain meds FYI. I don't understand how this thread has twisted and turned what I said into a legal battle and what GOD would do and what is morally right or wrong. WHO CARES? This is about one specific case where this dog obviously does not need to be bred. I PERSONALLY would spay the poor dog.

What? Now I can't use certain smilies?

If you had to leave Stewie w/someone while you were in say, China, for a month, and it wasn't a relative of yours, would you be okay if upon your return you found out that they let a vet perform elective surgery on him at a low cost vet clinic without consulting you?

jesscruz · 11-12-2005, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I have never seen any imperical data or studies to suggest that it is any more dangerous to breed a 3 lb dog than it is to breed a five lb one.

I am continuing to research and ask the reproductive specailists I find about their opinion on breeding the smaller yorkies.

okay and this is not saying that it is okay? ya whatever kim, idk who you think your fooling but i can assure you it ain't me! one day you say 1 thing the next day you say another i think you need to do research for phsycology, instead of research for why it is okay to breed tinies because the bottom line is THAT IS WHAT YOUR DOING! whatever, i'm done with you, i am getting very sleepy seeing as i have read everything you said a thousand times already. hopefully this thread can get back on track.

Itspuppyluv · 11-12-2005, 02:11 AM

I do respect your opinion, I just completely disagree.

Why am I against neutering my companion animal? Well, the basic answer is pretty simple; I don't want to be neutered myself.

With this subject, comparing animals to humans is ridiculous. What dog has ever decided they didn't want to have puppies? Or how many? That they couldn't afford one right now? He may not want to be neutered but I'm sure he doesn't have 40 children either. He chooses some form of birth control.
To me the idea of just being careful is laughable. It might work for some but millions???
Ridiculous to compare the two.

"the loss of my sex and what I was created by God and Nature to be."

If you're going to compare the two, ask people who have had tubal ligation, their uterus removed or a vasectomy if they still consider themselves to be what God and Nature created.

In Wolves spayed females scent changes and they may need to be separated from their pack or harassed to death by pack members.

Obviously, different for dogs. Unless you know of a spayed dog that was harassed to death by it's pack.

I could go on but this is really my point...

to have intact animals and prevent them from mating requires a good deal more responsibility that most people possess... which is one reason why neutering is so popular.

So tell me how convincing people not to neuter isn't going to increase the pet population drastically? Are you comfortable with adding even one more animal to the population? One more that has to be killed?

Itspuppyluv · 11-12-2005, 02:18 AM

doesn't have her spayed but that she is a responsible owner and does what is in the dog's best interests rather than her own.

And you wonder why people get upset with you? This thread isn't about you but surely you can see why it turns that way.

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Originally Posted by Itspuppyluv

Why would anyone get upset with me for expressing an honest, well reasoned opinion?

Umm, because we are smart enough to realize you are saying we are irresponsible for neutering our pets, taking the easy way out and do it over the best interest of our dog. You are talking to a forum full of people who neuter our dogs, remember? We do it for them.

Itspuppyluv · 11-12-2005, 02:27 AM

Ctsweety, I'm sorry your thread got so off topic. I'm done, I'm sure this will come up over and over and over but I'll save anything else for then.

Itspuppyluv · 11-12-2005, 04:42 AM

Okay, I wasn't completely informed when I wrote that last post. One more.

Kim, I just looked at the website. I was making a joke when I mentioned Bob Barker but for that person to criticize anyone...I'm not going to call anyone names but are you kidding me?!!

red98vett · 11-12-2005, 06:03 AM

Oh boy.

KIM ....you wonder why people get involved in debates with you ? Why not try to state your opinions and stop making every thread a PODIUM -you keep posting the same things over and over and it always ends up about YOU.

This thread is about a person who needs help ...NOT your views on breeding tinies - Expensive yorkies, vaccinating, spaying/neutering, tail docking, the AKC, and who knows what else you keep posting about

for instance - you said this:

I offered my suggestions:
1) Help educate her with books, printed relevant threads from here and
2) refer her to a theriogenologist for an evaluation of Princess as a possible breeding female

Kim....most people cant even SAY theriogenologist let alone know what it is and go find one -

You have good advise sometimes - why not stick with the subject ?

red98vett · 11-12-2005, 06:16 AM

Kim.....I didn't mean to sound harsh - but these threads always go soooo off track and end up about everything BUT what the person asked in the first place....I actually stop reading when I keep seeing the long posts about everything BUT what the question was....

I know you have strong views and MANY of them are a bit out of the normal and I can appreciate that ...but honestly - some threads aren't asking for it...

by the time we get thru reading - we forget what the original question was because you take over and it turns into another long dragged out thread about your views on every little thing.....

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-12-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

Kim....most people cant even SAY theriogenologist let alone know what it is and go find one -

I think the people on this forum are WAY more intelligent than you give them credit for!

red98vett · 11-12-2005, 09:43 AM

I KNOW they are - I meant the average joe in the world who thinks nothing of breeding dogs or who don't take precautions against accidental pregnancy...there are far too many people out there who don't even go to the VET unless something happens let alone a theriogenologist...these are who I meant.... and I think you can tell that by my post.

I give the members of this site and others LOTS of credit

- I wish there were more people in the world like the people I've met on forums - so please.... let's not change my words into something I didnt say OK ?

red98vett · 11-12-2005, 09:58 AM

Just in case the original post was forgotton since this got so off track - here it is & who I was referring to....ctsweety is talking about a breeder who unfortunately the world has too many of - the kind that DO NOT research and think nothing of just having puppies....just because they can.

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Originally Posted by ctsweety

I am currently a foster mother to an adorable 8 month old female yorkie. She is the sweetest dog I've ever known and I wish I could keep her. I am currently taking care of her for someone for a few months. She is currently in heat and when the owner took her to the vet yesterday, the vet recommended spaying her. The owner does not want to spay her because she wants to breed her in the future. The problem is that this person is not very responsible (kinda the reason I am taking care of her for now) and I am afraid she will breed her without doing any research. I think this dog has roach back. Is there any way of getting a professional to evaluate her and tell the owner she is not suitable for breeding?

I want what is best for the dog and I know if she doesn't get spayed she may have a miserable life with an irresponsible, uninformed breeder.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-12-2005, 10:01 AM

Okay Villette.....do you agree with Stewie'sMom's advice to this foster parent that she should take the dog to a spay clinic and have her spayed without the owner's permission?

txshopper73 · 11-12-2005, 10:02 AM

Trying to get back on track...

You need to purchase books and tell her about YT. Try to get her educated without sounding like you're talking down to her. With such obvious faults, she really doesn't need to be bred. You can hope for the best, but unfortunatley, the ultimate decision is the owners. You agreed to take in her bitch while she was away and that's very kind of you but without a life threatening illness (which means a trip to the vet), your job is to feed her, house her and love her till her owner gets back. Nothing more. Taking her in meant taking responsibilites of the hassles of a bitch in heat.

Best of luck to you!

PlatinumYorkies · 11-12-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Okay Villette.....do you agree with Stewie'sMom's advice to this foster parent that she should take the dog to a spay clinic and have her spayed without the owner's permission?

That is just rude to ask. Let, it go stop trying to be the MARTYR Kim.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-12-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Trying to get back on track...

You need to purchase books and tell her about YT. Try to get her educated without sounding like you're talking down to her. With such obvious faults, she really doesn't need to be bred. You can hope for the best, but unfortunatley, the ultimate decision is the owners. You agreed to take in her bitch while she was away and that's very kind of you but without a life threatening illness (which means a trip to the vet), your job is to feed her, house her and love her till her owner gets back. Nothing more. Taking her in meant taking responsibilites of the hassles of a bitch in heat.

Best of luck to you!

I agree

11-12-2005, 02:11 AM	#63
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	I do respect your opinion, I just completely disagree. Why am I against neutering my companion animal? Well, the basic answer is pretty simple; I don't want to be neutered myself. With this subject, comparing animals to humans is ridiculous. What dog has ever decided they didn't want to have puppies? Or how many? That they couldn't afford one right now? He may not want to be neutered but I'm sure he doesn't have 40 children either. He chooses some form of birth control. To me the idea of just being careful is laughable. It might work for some but millions??? Ridiculous to compare the two. "the loss of my sex and what I was created by God and Nature to be." If you're going to compare the two, ask people who have had tubal ligation, their uterus removed or a vasectomy if they still consider themselves to be what God and Nature created. In Wolves spayed females scent changes and they may need to be separated from their pack or harassed to death by pack members. Obviously, different for dogs. Unless you know of a spayed dog that was harassed to death by it's pack. I could go on but this is really my point... to have intact animals and prevent them from mating requires a good deal more responsibility that most people possess... which is one reason why neutering is so popular. So tell me how convincing people not to neuter isn't going to increase the pet population drastically? Are you comfortable with adding even one more animal to the population? One more that has to be killed? __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW Last edited by admin; 11-13-2005 at 02:16 AM. Reason: Member requested edit

11-12-2005, 02:27 AM	#65
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	Ctsweety, I'm sorry your thread got so off topic. I'm done, I'm sure this will come up over and over and over but I'll save anything else for then. __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW

11-12-2005, 04:42 AM	#66
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	Okay, I wasn't completely informed when I wrote that last post. One more. Kim, I just looked at the website. I was making a joke when I mentioned Bob Barker but for that person to criticize anyone...I'm not going to call anyone names but are you kidding me?!! __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW

11-12-2005, 06:03 AM	#67
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Oh boy. KIM ....you wonder why people get involved in debates with you ? Why not try to state your opinions and stop making every thread a PODIUM -you keep posting the same things over and over and it always ends up about YOU. This thread is about a person who needs help ...NOT your views on breeding tinies - Expensive yorkies, vaccinating, spaying/neutering, tail docking, the AKC, and who knows what else you keep posting about for instance - you said this: I offered my suggestions: 1) Help educate her with books, printed relevant threads from here and 2) refer her to a theriogenologist for an evaluation of Princess as a possible breeding female Kim....most people cant even SAY theriogenologist let alone know what it is and go find one - You have good advise sometimes - why not stick with the subject ? __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 11-12-2005 at 06:07 AM.

11-12-2005, 06:16 AM	#68
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Kim.....I didn't mean to sound harsh - but these threads always go soooo off track and end up about everything BUT what the person asked in the first place....I actually stop reading when I keep seeing the long posts about everything BUT what the question was.... I know you have strong views and MANY of them are a bit out of the normal and I can appreciate that ...but honestly - some threads aren't asking for it... by the time we get thru reading - we forget what the original question was because you take over and it turns into another long dragged out thread about your views on every little thing..... __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 11-12-2005 at 06:19 AM.

11-12-2005, 09:43 AM	#70
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I KNOW they are - I meant the average joe in the world who thinks nothing of breeding dogs or who don't take precautions against accidental pregnancy...there are far too many people out there who don't even go to the VET unless something happens let alone a theriogenologist...these are who I meant.... and I think you can tell that by my post. I give the members of this site and others LOTS of credit - I wish there were more people in the world like the people I've met on forums - so please.... let's not change my words into something I didnt say OK ? __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 11-12-2005 at 09:45 AM.

11-12-2005, 10:01 AM	#72
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Okay Villette.....do you agree with Stewie'sMom's advice to this foster parent that she should take the dog to a spay clinic and have her spayed without the owner's permission?

11-12-2005, 10:02 AM	#73
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Trying to get back on track... You need to purchase books and tell her about YT. Try to get her educated without sounding like you're talking down to her. With such obvious faults, she really doesn't need to be bred. You can hope for the best, but unfortunatley, the ultimate decision is the owners. You agreed to take in her bitch while she was away and that's very kind of you but without a life threatening illness (which means a trip to the vet), your job is to feed her, house her and love her till her owner gets back. Nothing more. Taking her in meant taking responsibilites of the hassles of a bitch in heat. Best of luck to you! __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley