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Yorkie Mum · 11-11-2005, 09:23 AM

If this can be done let me know as I run into this with many breeds all the time.

Joy

flyorkies · 11-11-2005, 09:26 AM

how does she know its 8 generation papered. does she actually have the pedigree or the breeder just told her that. alot of breeders claim champion bloodlines but unless you have the pedigree to prove it then you dont have a champion dog. akc told me the most you can order is a 4 generation i tried to get more family members but akc said they only go up to 4 generations and just because you know the generations that doesnt make her a good candidate to be bred.she doesnt even sound like she knows enough about breeding cause if she did she would know that its not a simple go have your puppys and now im rich kind of thing and what if no one buys her puppies is she willing to have 5 puppies running around her house besides vet bills and food . maybe that will help you convince her. good thing that dog has a good friend like you.

LovingSchatzie · 11-11-2005, 09:28 AM

I think that StewiesMom has a great point, if you do not have time for the dog, then you should not be able to breed, what if she cant be there, I dont think it is fair for the dog. But I also think that you should wait untill the dog is out of heat to spay her. Because my vet told me that while the dog is in heat it is very dangerous, so my vet refused to spay one of our dogs while in heat. But the dog should not be breeded, I sound confusing, I hope that this is not hard to understand.

Diego · 11-11-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRini

That is so true. I am so paranoid that I am altering my pet puppies before they leave.

YorkieRini , you are not so paranoid , you are a responsible breeder . IMO...there are too many wanna be breeder in this world . I am working in a Animal Shelter so I know what I am talking about .

Mueyinter · 11-11-2005, 09:35 AM

I work with an animal rescue organization also & there are so many dogs mixed & purebred that end up there because the so called breeder couldn't sell em & didn't wanna be bothered with the costs of so many pups.

Diego · 11-11-2005, 09:51 AM

Our job is never a easy one , sometimes I am really down when I think of some humans .

Yesterday , we received a phone call of the police dept telling us there was a puppymill in a house . You should have seen the place . It was impossible to go in without a mask . The place was really smelly . The vet euthanazied all the dogs because they were really sick . They all told us that they were dead-alive dogs . They didn't have food or water for days and days so.........

Mueyinter · 11-11-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Diego

Our job is never a easy one , sometimes I am really down when I think of some humans .

Yesterday , we received a phone call of the police dept telling us there was a puppymill in a house . You should have seen the place . It was impossible to go in without a mask . The place was really smelly . The vet euthanazied all the dogs because they were really sick . They all told us that they were dead-alive dogs . They didn't have food or water for days and days so.........

OMG! That's awful!!~

Makes me wanna cry. Yeah I feel that I'm really down on humans as well because we are capable of so many things good/bad.

YorkieShadow · 11-11-2005, 03:55 PM

I wish you could keep her. If the owner wants to breed her theres probably nothing that you can say that will help her change her mind.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-11-2005, 04:04 PM

Unfortunately, the dog does not belong to you and it is the owner's choice to decide whether to breed her or not. To do as Stewie'sMom suggests in my opinion would be like taking a child you are babysitting and having life altering and risky surgery performed w/o the parent's consent. Unthinkable!!The law in our country considers dogs property and as such the owners of the "property" have the right to decide what is done with the dog outside laws against cruelty, etc.

That said, I think yiur first question about having the dog evaluated by a professional is a great one. Find a reproductive specialist (a canine theriogenologist) in your area and tell them to take her there for an evaluation of her fitness to free whelp a litter of puppies as well as have her tested for any genetic defects, etc. You could even go so far as to offer to take her while she is in your care and then provide them with the results.

You would have to be willing to accept the results either way however in case the specialist agrees with the owner and gives the go ahead to breed.

Just an idea. Hope it works out.

jesscruz · 11-11-2005, 05:27 PM

i actually agree with kristy (stewies mom), if she can't even take care of the dog then to me she shouldn't have one! i would actually take steps to try and keep the dog seeing as the owner seems very clueless. hell, invite her to come on here, she will definitly get a wake up call.

PlatinumYorkies · 11-11-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Unfortunately, the dog does not belong to you and it is the owner's choice to decide whether to breed her or not. To do as Stewie'sMom suggests in my opinion would be like taking a child you are babysitting and having life altering and risky surgery performed w/o the parent's consent. Unthinkable!!The law in our country considers dogs property and as such the owners of the "property" have the right to decide what is done with the dog outside laws against cruelty, etc.

That is a bit extreme, don't you think.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-11-2005, 06:26 PM

I thought it was the fact that where the owner currently lives doesn't allow dogs...not that she didn't have the time for her??? Did I miss that? The owner obviously loves and cares for the dog and is taking her to the vet and has chosen you to care for her, so what is it about her that is irresponsible? Just curious.

PlatinumYorkies · 11-11-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I thought it was the fact that where the owner currently lives doesn't allow dogs...not that she didn't have the time for her??? Did I miss that? The owner obviously loves and cares for the dog and is taking her to the vet and has chosen you to care for her, so what is it about her that is irresponsible? Just curious.

She is irresponsible for not taking to tome to care for the dog herself, or finding out before hand if she could have a pet where she lived!!!!!!!!

Excuses, Whatever..The owner obviously is out for MONEY. Only you would make excuses, Kristy is correct. I don't understand how one can mistake Greed for LOVE!

Breeze · 11-11-2005, 07:13 PM

I may get slack for this but ....

People who want to breed their pets irresponsibly will find any excuse to do it.

They do not care about bettering the breed, they will breed mixes, dogs out of standard............. because they have so many excuses and idiots backing them up. " "Temperment is more important than standard, breeding mixes is ok (all breeds were mixes once). " "My dog is papered so he/she must be healthy, great lines, great quality". "No matter what scam registry they are registered with, or they register them with the scam registries to make more money for their papered pups. "Its ok to breed tinies, Its MY dog so I can do what I want!!! (risk it's life but who cares it's MY dog?".

livingdustmops · 11-11-2005, 07:29 PM

Right On Breeze!

Cindy & The Gang

11-11-2005, 09:28 AM	#18
LovingSchatzie Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 71	I think that StewiesMom has a great point, if you do not have time for the dog, then you should not be able to breed, what if she cant be there, I dont think it is fair for the dog. But I also think that you should wait untill the dog is out of heat to spay her. Because my vet told me that while the dog is in heat it is very dangerous, so my vet refused to spay one of our dogs while in heat. But the dog should not be breeded, I sound confusing, I hope that this is not hard to understand. __________________ ~Schatzie~Melly~Elizabeth~

11-11-2005, 09:35 AM	#20
Mueyinter Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 944	I work with an animal rescue organization also & there are so many dogs mixed & purebred that end up there because the so called breeder couldn't sell em & didn't wanna be bothered with the costs of so many pups. __________________ Sango , Vash http://www.dogster.com/?180653 Sango's Dogster

11-11-2005, 05:27 PM	#25
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	i actually agree with kristy (stewies mom), if she can't even take care of the dog then to me she shouldn't have one! i would actually take steps to try and keep the dog seeing as the owner seems very clueless. hell, invite her to come on here, she will definitly get a wake up call. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear Last edited by jesscruz; 11-11-2005 at 05:30 PM.

11-11-2005, 09:23 AM	#16
Yorkie Mum YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere land Posts: 364	If this can be done let me know as I run into this with many breeds all the time. Joy

11-11-2005, 09:26 AM	#17
flyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: florida Posts: 177	how does she know its 8 generation papered. does she actually have the pedigree or the breeder just told her that. alot of breeders claim champion bloodlines but unless you have the pedigree to prove it then you dont have a champion dog. akc told me the most you can order is a 4 generation i tried to get more family members but akc said they only go up to 4 generations and just because you know the generations that doesnt make her a good candidate to be bred.she doesnt even sound like she knows enough about breeding cause if she did she would know that its not a simple go have your puppys and now im rich kind of thing and what if no one buys her puppies is she willing to have 5 puppies running around her house besides vet bills and food . maybe that will help you convince her. good thing that dog has a good friend like you.

11-11-2005, 09:51 AM	#21
Diego Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,617	Our job is never a easy one , sometimes I am really down when I think of some humans . Yesterday , we received a phone call of the police dept telling us there was a puppymill in a house . You should have seen the place . It was impossible to go in without a mask . The place was really smelly . The vet euthanazied all the dogs because they were really sick . They all told us that they were dead-alive dogs . They didn't have food or water for days and days so.........

11-11-2005, 03:55 PM	#23
YorkieShadow BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,999	I wish you could keep her. If the owner wants to breed her theres probably nothing that you can say that will help her change her mind.

11-11-2005, 04:04 PM	#24
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Unfortunately, the dog does not belong to you and it is the owner's choice to decide whether to breed her or not. To do as Stewie'sMom suggests in my opinion would be like taking a child you are babysitting and having life altering and risky surgery performed w/o the parent's consent. Unthinkable!!The law in our country considers dogs property and as such the owners of the "property" have the right to decide what is done with the dog outside laws against cruelty, etc. That said, I think yiur first question about having the dog evaluated by a professional is a great one. Find a reproductive specialist (a canine theriogenologist) in your area and tell them to take her there for an evaluation of her fitness to free whelp a litter of puppies as well as have her tested for any genetic defects, etc. You could even go so far as to offer to take her while she is in your care and then provide them with the results. You would have to be willing to accept the results either way however in case the specialist agrees with the owner and gives the go ahead to breed. Just an idea. Hope it works out.

11-11-2005, 06:26 PM	#27
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I thought it was the fact that where the owner currently lives doesn't allow dogs...not that she didn't have the time for her??? Did I miss that? The owner obviously loves and cares for the dog and is taking her to the vet and has chosen you to care for her, so what is it about her that is irresponsible? Just curious.

11-11-2005, 07:13 PM	#29
Breeze Puppy Luv Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,678	I may get slack for this but .... People who want to breed their pets irresponsibly will find any excuse to do it. They do not care about bettering the breed, they will breed mixes, dogs out of standard............. because they have so many excuses and idiots backing them up. " "Temperment is more important than standard, breeding mixes is ok (all breeds were mixes once). " "My dog is papered so he/she must be healthy, great lines, great quality". "No matter what scam registry they are registered with, or they register them with the scam registries to make more money for their papered pups. "Its ok to breed tinies, Its MY dog so I can do what I want!!! (risk it's life but who cares it's MY dog?".

11-11-2005, 07:29 PM	#30
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Right On Breeze! Cindy & The Gang